Beth

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im very suspicious that I have spondy but because I don't have a positive

hla-b27 marker than they ignore the possibility. However, that marker is not

as common in non-cacasians but do doctors thin of that, no? My primary

reason for being suspicious of this is because as far back as I can

rememeber, my back has been a problem for me and even now. it's the primary

problem and it causes me the most pain all of the time. I get so much pain

in my tailbone area that if I sit too long in the 'wrong' position' my legs

will start to tremble. My hips are still hypermobile as are other joints and

so whenever im in PT, they are always amazed especialy because im so

overweight yet im flexible. Ive lost a lot of flexibility but I believe that

is the disease process but no one catches on because they think oh you have

normal range as I see a lot of people mentioning. I'm also suspicous about

spondy because of my suspected lung issues that arent common with JRA as

well as now having tendon iflammation and the fact that my inflammation

markers have been chronically high no matter what's done for me JRA wise. I

have some other joints that cause me issues but my back and neck are by far

the worse and most persistent of issues and since this last set back, has

now gotten worse since I have the sciatica issues on top of it all.

Anyways, just FYI...

Issadora

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Salvucci <lsalvucci42@...>

wrote:

> I appear to have normal range of motion now, ten years ago I was

> hypermobile. It's not that everything got better, but instead I lost range

> of motion so I am no longer hypermobile, my joint damage just made me look

> like I have normal range of motion, but now that range of motion is getting

> worse too.. it's kind of sad actually. Joint damage is lame.

>

> (JAS, 23)

>

> snooksmama@... <snooksmama%40insightbb.com> wrote:

> Beth

> Like Michele said, kids with spondy can touch their toes. They do a test

> (called the modified Shober) where they bend over and they measure how much

> distance from a mark on the spine in the standing position to another marked

> position on the spine when they are attempting to touch their toes. It tells

> them how much expansion they get of their spine.

> Rob was very hard to diagnose because of the underlying hypermobility. His

> range of motion was limited when he first 'came down' with arthritis, but to

> someone who didn't know him, he was in the normal range. Once he got under

> control (and his rheumy remarked on this just last month), it was obvious he

> was hypermobile and that when he was uncontrolled, the arthritis had caused

> the hypermobility to disappear. The rheumy said " as Rob 'recovers' from his

> arthritis, he becomes more and more hypermobile " . He agreed that this was

> what caused him to be so hard to diagnose.

> and Rob 18 JAS

>

> ---- Original Message -----

> From: Beth Yohnk <yohnkmom@... <yohnkmom%40sbcglobal.net>>

> Date: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:25

> Subject: Re: EDS, connective tissue, and Rob with a collagen disease

> < %40>

>

> > Interesting. I've often thought Hannah might have spondy

> > due to chronic back/neck pain. However, I've heard kids

> > with spondy usually can't touch their toes. However, if

> > you're hypermobile you are not going to lose range of motion

> > like other kids. Again, I think this is the reason they

> > aren't diagnosis her. Just my 2 cents and my frustration.

> >

> > Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines

> >

> > Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

> > Beth :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Photos of Nicks facial

> > > > scarring

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > have you looked into ehlers-danlos at all? Jinny (11,

> > > pauci)On

> > > > Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:27:03 -0000 " hburger64 "

> > > > <hburger64hotmail (DOT) com>writes:> I just uploaded a couple

> > of

> > > pictures

> > > > of Nicks facial scarring, they > should be there once

> > Georgina

> > > > approves them. They are in " Nick's > Album " > > he has a ton

> > > of this

> > > > kind of scarring else where too, like his > legs,arms and

> > > hands. If

> > > > he gets a paper cut it ends up being a huge > > round open

> > > sore that

> > > > takes months to heal.> > Just wanted to share and get any

> > > ideas on

> > > > what to do to treat them. > I > stick band aids on them with

> > > > neosporin, but he hates bandaids on all > > the time and is

> > > always

> > > > pulling them off. hes also scratching at the > > sores

> > because

> > > they

> > > > itch.> > hugs Helen and (10,systemic) > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > Groups Links> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> > _________ _

> > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!

> > > > http://biggestloser .msn.com/

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi :

Thanks for the information. I checked on our insurance on-line last night. We

have an online feature where you can search for doctors by specialty and within

a certain mile range and they will give you list of in-network providers.

Anyway I was really excited to learn that genetics testing is covered. I found

2 docotrs in the Milwaukee area (both at Children's so I ruled them out right

away). The other three are in the Chicago/Rockford area so I am going to check

them out tomorrow. That is only an hour drive for us and my husband agreed we

have to do whatever we need to. Hannah is in a major flare once again with and

her performances just about 10 days away I just pray everyday she won't sprain

something...

I'll keep you posted.

Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

Re: Photos of Nicks facial

> > > scarring

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > have you looked into ehlers-danlos at all? Jinny (11,

> > pauci)On

> > > Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:27:03 -0000 " hburger64 "

> > > <hburger64hotmail (DOT) com>writes:> I just uploaded a couple

> of

> > pictures

> > > of Nicks facial scarring, they > should be there once

> Georgina

> > > approves them. They are in " Nick's > Album " > > he has a ton

> > of this

> > > kind of scarring else where too, like his > legs,arms and

> > hands. If

> > > he gets a paper cut it ends up being a huge > > round open

> > sore that

> > > takes months to heal.> > Just wanted to share and get any

> > ideas on

> > > what to do to treat them. > I > stick band aids on them with

> > > neosporin, but he hates bandaids on all > > the time and is

> > always

> > > pulling them off. hes also scratching at the > > sores

> because

> > they

> > > itch.> > hugs Helen and (10,systemic) > > > > > > >

> >

> > > Groups Links> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ _

> > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!

> > > http://biggestloser .msn.com/

> > >

> > >

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Sandy - thank you for your prayers. As far as I know, he is still in ICU and is talking with the "cancer" doctor today. However, we already know it has spread to ALL of his major organs. I never like to give up hope but it is not looking to good. Since the passing of his son 2 yrs ago, I wonder if he has the will to live. I think he is not mentally able to fight it let alone physically.

My prayers are that whatever happens, he does not suffer and the his loved ones left here on earth can finf some sort of peace if he passes. I think that is where the prayers need to be the most.....his wife and twin are who I am most concerned about......

Thanks again for all the prayers...

Love,

BEth

Beth

Beth our prayers are with you

How is your Uncle doing today ?

Bless you and your family

Sandy~

I know this is not implant related but I wanted to ask for special prayers for my uncle. He is one of the sweetest people you could ever meet and he just got devastating news last week. He was told he had lung caner last week and as he was eating his dinner tonight, he passed out. My aunt called the squad and they worked on him and got him back. They rushed him to the ER and he has fluid on his lungs. They did drain the fluid but are not giving him much hope. He is in ICU right now.....To make this much worse, they just lost their son 2 years ago. He passed away suddenly. I am not sure my aunt or uncle ever really recovered from that. I am afraid if something happens to my uncle, my aunt will not be able to move on.....My uncle also has a twin sister that I am very close to. She has many health problems and I am afraid this will also get the best

of her.....There wi ll be alot of grief on alot of people if he passes....although, I do not want him to suffer!!!!Much Love,Beth

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Sandy - thank you for your prayers. As far as I know, he is still in ICU and is talking with the "cancer" doctor today. However, we already know it has spread to ALL of his major organs. I never like to give up hope but it is not looking to good. Since the passing of his son 2 yrs ago, I wonder if he has the will to live. I think he is not mentally able to fight it let alone physically.

My prayers are that whatever happens, he does not suffer and the his loved ones left here on earth can finf some sort of peace if he passes. I think that is where the prayers need to be the most.....his wife and twin are who I am most concerned about......

Thanks again for all the prayers...

Love,

BEth

Beth

Beth our prayers are with you

How is your Uncle doing today ?

Bless you and your family

Sandy~

I know this is not implant related but I wanted to ask for special prayers for my uncle. He is one of the sweetest people you could ever meet and he just got devastating news last week. He was told he had lung caner last week and as he was eating his dinner tonight, he passed out. My aunt called the squad and they worked on him and got him back. They rushed him to the ER and he has fluid on his lungs. They did drain the fluid but are not giving him much hope. He is in ICU right now.....To make this much worse, they just lost their son 2 years ago. He passed away suddenly. I am not sure my aunt or uncle ever really recovered from that. I am afraid if something happens to my uncle, my aunt will not be able to move on.....My uncle also has a twin sister that I am very close to. She has many health problems and I am afraid this will also get the best

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Well congratulations to you, too!!! Are our babies due the same month

(November)??

Re: good news

Congratulations, ! Grandchildren are the best. :-)

We went to NJ this past weekend to visit my dd, sil, and grandson. When

we

got to their place the 2nd day, on their was a pg test and a sign that

said,

" Welcome baby! " It really took me a couple of minutes to comprehend what

was

going on, LOL.

Of course, the weekend we go down, they have the biggest snowstorm of

the

season. I think we made it happen.

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the mirror! Susie

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fun, though. :-) My dd hasn't been to the doc yet, but her calculations

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- thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am just grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God everyday for giving me the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder if I have adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I have been keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will get better, it jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is getting upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8 months of each other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting to back off a little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to live in 2 seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I also feel alot better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

Love,

Beth

Beth

Beth sweetie

Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am still

winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

Love shelly

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- thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am just grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God everyday for giving me the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder if I have adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I have been keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will get better, it jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is getting upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8 months of each other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting to back off a little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to live in 2 seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I also feel alot better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

Love,

Beth

Beth

Beth sweetie

Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am still

winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

Love shelly

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Beth,

Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God the dentist

say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because of

the cracks in my tooth. I

know that I was blessed there.

I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble sleeping at nights

I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night that

Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I figure as

soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.

You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much

money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to get

the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have

some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body or

someone would do some testings on this.

I am still in search for good vitamins.

Love

In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

- thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am just grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God everyday for giving me the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder if I have adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I have been keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will get better, it jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is getting upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8 months of each other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting to back off a little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to live in 2 seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I also feel alot better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

Love,

Beth

Beth

Beth sweetie

Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am still

winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

Love shelly

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,

Today I received these vitamins from Dr. Mercola. I had ordered my

regular vitamins he recommended but they no longer carry them and was

given these instead. I like the fact they don't contain silicon

dioxide and are gluten and yeast free among other things. I take 4 at

breakfast and 4 at dinner. Can't say how great they are as I've only

used them one day. You can get them here.

http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/

Love, PH

>

> Beth,

> Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God the

dentist

> say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because of

> the cracks in my tooth. I

> know that I was blessed there.

>

> I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble sleeping

at nights

> I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night

that

> Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I figure as

> soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.

>

> You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much

> money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to get

> the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have

> some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body or

> someone would do some testings on this.

>

> I am still in search for good vitamins.

>

> Love

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tommygirl18_1981@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> - thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am

just

> grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God

everyday for giving me

> the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder

if I have

> adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

> How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I

have been

> keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will

get better, it

> jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is

getting

> upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8

months of each

> other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting to

back off a

> little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to

live in 2

> seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I also

feel alot

> better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

> Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

> Love,

> Beth

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: " shellyjo1021@From: " shelly<shellyjo1021@shellyj>

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> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:15:01 PM

> Subject: Beth

>

>

> Beth sweetie

>

> Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

> things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

> trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

> makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am

still

> winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

> Love shelly

>

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Ph,

I checked out the ingredients and his vitamins contain spirulina I

thought we couldn't have that since we have brain fog.

Can We ????

p.s. Patty was suppose to check out those vitamins from that

one web site but I think she got busy. I dont know what vitamins

to take I am confused today. Brain fog!!!!!! Yuck

In a message dated 3/11/2008 12:17:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

,Today I received these vitamins from Dr. Mercola. I had ordered my regular vitamins he recommended but they no longer carry them and was given these instead. I like the fact they don't contain silicon dioxide and are gluten and yeast free among other things. I take 4 at breakfast and 4 at dinner. Can't say how great they are as I've only used them one day. You can get them here. http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/Love, PH>> Beth,> Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God the dentist> say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because of> the cracks in my tooth. I > know that I was blessed there.> > I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble sleeping at nights> I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night that> Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I figure as> soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.> > You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much> money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to get> the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have> some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body or > someone would do some testings on this.> > I am still in search for good vitamins.> > Love > > > > > In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tommygirl18_1981@... writes:> > > > > > - thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am just > grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God everyday for giving me > the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder if I have > adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life. > How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I have been > keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will get better, it > jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is getting > upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8 months of each > other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting to back off a > little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to live in 2 > seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I also feel alot > better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing...... > Let me know how everything goes with your dentist..... > Love, > Beth > > > Beth> > > Beth sweetie > > Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the> things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have> trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that> makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am still> winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.> Love shelly> > > > It's Tax Time! _Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance._ > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > > > > > > ____________________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. _Try it > now._ > (http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ) > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

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Hi ,

You're right...thanks for pointing that out. Yes, Dr. Kolb says to

avoid spirulina because it can cause increased cytokines and brain

fog. Since I stopped juicing so many greens, my brain fog diminished

greatly and the DMSA helped even more. I'm going to try these

vitamins out for a couple weeks to see how I do. I'll let you know

if the brain fog comes back. Love, PH

>

> Ph,

> I checked out the ingredients and his vitamins contain spirulina I

> thought we couldn't have that since we have brain fog.

> Can We ????

>

> p.s. Patty was suppose to check out those vitamins from that

> one web site but I think she got busy. I dont know what vitamins

> to take I am confused today. Brain fog!!!!!! Yuck

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2008 12:17:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> perfecthealth68@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> ,

> Today I received these vitamins from Dr. Mercola. I had ordered my

> regular vitamins he recommended but they no longer carry them and

was

> given these instead. I like the fact they don't contain silicon

> dioxide and are gluten and yeast free among other things. I take 4

at

> breakfast and 4 at dinner. Can't say how great they are as I've

only

> used them one day. You can get them here.

> _http://products.http://produhttp://produchttp://products_

> (http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/)

> Love, PH

>

> --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_

(mailto: )

> , shellyjo1021@, shel

> >

> > Beth,

> > Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God

the

> dentist

> > say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because

of

> > the cracks in my tooth. I

> > know that I was blessed there.

> >

> > I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble

sleeping

> at nights

> > I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night

> that

> > Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I

figure as

> > soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.

> >

> > You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much

> > money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to

get

> > the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have

> > some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk

> > !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!!

> >

> > I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body

or

> > someone would do some testings on this.

> >

> > I am still in search for good vitamins.

> >

> > Love

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > tommygirl18_ tommygirl18_<WB

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > - thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am

> just

> > grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God

> everyday for giving me

> > the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder

> if I have

> > adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

> > How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I

> have been

> > keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will

> get better, it

> > jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is

> getting

> > upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8

> months of each

> > other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting

to

> back off a

> > little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to

> live in 2

> > seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I

also

> feel alot

> > better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

> > Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

> > Love,

> > Beth

> >

> >

> > Beth

> >

> >

> > Beth sweetie

> >

> > Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

> > things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

> > trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

> > makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am

> still

> > winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

> > Love shelly

> >

> >

> >

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HI girls,

I just ordered the ones that PH is taking from Mercola's site. I

think the Spirulina will be okay in small amounts. It is when I get

the greens in large amounts, like in juice, that brain fog gets bad.

Hopefully in a small amount it won't cause problems.

, I think I checked out the Dr. Drucker minerals, the liquid

stuff and found that I could not order them without a health care

professional. Were those the ones you were talking about?

Patty

>

> Ph,

> I checked out the ingredients and his vitamins contain spirulina I

> thought we couldn't have that since we have brain fog.

> Can We ????

>

> p.s. Patty was suppose to check out those vitamins from that

> one web site but I think she got busy. I dont know what vitamins

> to take I am confused today. Brain fog!!!!!! Yuck

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2008 12:17:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> perfecthealth68@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> ,

> Today I received these vitamins from Dr. Mercola. I had ordered my

> regular vitamins he recommended but they no longer carry them and

was

> given these instead. I like the fact they don't contain silicon

> dioxide and are gluten and yeast free among other things. I take 4

at

> breakfast and 4 at dinner. Can't say how great they are as I've

only

> used them one day. You can get them here.

> _http://products.http://produhttp://produchttp://products_

> (http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/)

> Love, PH

>

> --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_

(mailto: )

> , shellyjo1021@, shel

> >

> > Beth,

> > Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God

the

> dentist

> > say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because

of

> > the cracks in my tooth. I

> > know that I was blessed there.

> >

> > I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble

sleeping

> at nights

> > I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night

> that

> > Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I

figure as

> > soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.

> >

> > You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much

> > money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to

get

> > the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have

> > some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk

> > !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!!

> >

> > I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body

or

> > someone would do some testings on this.

> >

> > I am still in search for good vitamins.

> >

> > Love

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > tommygirl18_ tommygirl18_<WB

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > - thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am

> just

> > grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God

> everyday for giving me

> > the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder

> if I have

> > adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life.

> > How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I

> have been

> > keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will

> get better, it

> > jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is

> getting

> > upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8

> months of each

> > other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting

to

> back off a

> > little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to

> live in 2

> > seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I

also

> feel alot

> > better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing......

> > Let me know how everything goes with your dentist.....

> > Love,

> > Beth

> >

> >

> > Beth

> >

> >

> > Beth sweetie

> >

> > Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the

> > things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have

> > trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that

> > makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am

> still

> > winging it with doctors. Hang in there girl you are doing great.

> > Love shelly

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

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PH,

I forgot to tell you that I ordered Mercola vitamins too so I have some kind

of vitamin to take and also I got me some DHEA 25mg and Pregnonolone 15mg

in creme and used this and Wow what a difference in the fatigue which is very

minimal today after taking it within 1 hour. Thanks for all the info.

I have not gotten this far in 3 years noticing a difference is what makes a

difference. I have been asking questions for a long time and havent really

got a response to help me like yours.....I just keep trying everything .....

I dont have natural doctors around here to go to so I have to get through this

myself because I already know that the meds dont help me they just

prolong my sickness and I am not going there again.

I just wanted how much you have helped me and how much farther there

I am because of you. Thank you so much !!

Love

In a message dated 3/11/2008 5:30:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, perfecthealth68@... writes:

Hi ,I wouldn't worry about the silicon dioxide. I think it's fine to use the Captomer. As far as the cost of the pills, you'll divide them into such small doses that a bottle lasts forever. No, I would not use the metal supporter with ALA being that if you use such high doses of ALA in the beginning, you can have major setbacks. If I were you, I'd get Cutler's book or get on his forum. Chelating is nothing to take lightly in the sense that there can be terrible side effects if you don't do it properly. And basically what I've told you is only a fraction of what the protocol involves...it's too complex to explain and a lot of the supplements that Cutler recommends are based on your personal symptoms. Definitely, I've given you the basics, but you really should have a doc or a book to guide you.The prescription was part of what Mercola recommended for me. I really think you'll be fine with Captomer though. Patty used it and so have others on the chelation forum. I hear you on the supplements...I've wasted tons of money! Much of what I was taking before, Cutler discourages...it's trial by error. Hang in there. Love, PH>> Carlin> > Mine is the Captomer that Patty said to order !!!!> Oh no I have 200.00 into this and with the metal> supporter that has the mineral and ALA in it that> is 75mg. Do you think I still should use this ??????> > I had my fillings out on Monday do you think I can> start on Friday to do the chelation.> No I wasn't able to get on the forum yet but I will> keep trying.> How did you get a prescription from Dr. Mercola ?> Was that by doctors prescrition only ?> > Oh no PH you have to help me please I am > spending all this money and ordering all the > wrong stuff again.> > Love > > > In a message dated 3/11/2008 3:48:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > perfecthealth68@... writes:> > > > > Hi ,> Yes, per Cutler's protocol, I would stop the ALA today. You can > begin ALA 3 months after amalgam removal. 75 mg is a lot so I > wouldn't even take that 3 months from now. Most people on the forum > begin with 6-12.5 mg of ALA because the side effects can be great. > Remember, go low and go slow. Were you able to get on the forum? > > As far as the DMSA, mine does not contain silicone dioxide. Mine is > prescription from Dr. Mercola. Love, PH> > --- In _ @SalineSupporSal_ (mailto: ) > , shellyjo1021@, shel> >> > Carlin,> > I have been taking support vitamis for heavy metals just started > today> > and they have 75mg of ALA in this. Should I stop and also does your> > Captomer have silicon dioxide in it as well. Mine does.!!!!!!> > Is this OK to take? Oh well I guess it gets the mercury out > right !!!!!!> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/11/2008 12:17:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > perfecthealth68@ perfecthea> > > > > > > > > > ,> > Today I received these vitamins from Dr. Mercola. I had ordered my > > regular vitamins he recommended but they no longer carry them and > was > > given these instead. I like the fact they don't contain silicon > > dioxide and are gluten and yeast free among other things. I take 4 > at > > breakfast and 4 at dinner. Can't say how great they are as I've > only > > used them one day. You can get them here. > > __http://products.http://products.http://producthttp://prod_ > (http://products.http//produhttp://produchttp://products_) > > (_http://products.http://produhttp://produchttp://products_ > (http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/) ) > > Love, PH> > > > --- In _ @ --- In _SalineSuppor> (mailto:_ @SalineSupporSal_ > (mailto: ) ) > > , shellyjo1021@ , she> > >> > > Beth,> > > Everything went absolutely well at the dentist and praise God > the > > dentist> > > say about 90% should be covered by the insurance company because > of> > > the cracks in my tooth. I > > > know that I was blessed there.> > > > > > I am experimenting a little pain and still having trouble > sleeping > > at nights> > > I get about 2 hours a night. I am taking melantonin 1mg at night > > that> > > Carlin PH told me to do but not working at this point so I > figure as> > > soon as I get thyroid meds this will change.> > > > > > You sound great.....I know what you mean about spending so much> > > money and my husband is frustrated with it as well. But I had to > get> > > the mercury out of my mouth to chelated the mercury so I can have> > > some kind of life. I hate feeling drunk > > > !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!!> > > > > > I just wished I knew what kind of vitamins I needed for my body > or > > > someone would do some testings on this.> > > > > > I am still in search for good vitamins.> > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > tommygirl18_ tommygirl18_<WB> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - thansk so much. Some days are better than other. I am > > just > > > grateful I an get up and do it in the morning. I thank God > > everyday for giving me > > > the strenght to run my household. That is why sometimes I wonder > > if I have > > > adrenal burnout or if I am just run down from my everyday life. > > > How did your dentist appointment go? Wasn't that today???? I > > have been > > > keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Hang in there...you will > > get better, it > > > jsut takes time. I do feel blessed to have my ND but my hubby is > > getting > > > upset at how much money I have spent on both surgeries within 8 > > months of each > > > other and then all the ND appointments and test. I am starting > to > > back off a > > > little and just try my own things. It is tough paying for us to > > live in 2 > > > seperate places and all the added expenses of the illness. I > also > > feel alot > > > better so I am going to slow down on how much I am doing...... > > > Let me know how everything goes with your dentist..... > > > Love, > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > Beth> > > > > > > > > Beth sweetie > > > > > > Bless your heart if I had to take care of a little one and do the> > > things you do I..simply could not do it at this time. I have> > > trouble cooking for myself. I am thankful you have a ND that> > > makes all the difference in the world. You are blessed....I am > > still> > > winging it with doctors. 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Hi Beth,

I am so glad to hear that Hannah's sleep has improved dramatically - as soon as

our tax appt is over tomorrow (I should not be on-line now, but need a break), I

should go place an order for the pillow top...I need a few other things also.

Do you think Hannah's flare last week was in part due to her hectic schedule of

her shows? I hope she is feeling much better this week.

The previous occipital nerve block was pretty helpful, but the one last week has

not been as successful, but we believe it is b/c she has started another

menstrual cycle again....the hormone fluctuations always mess up the works...so,

she will probably have another block sooner. Still cautiously optimistic that

this is the answer for her migraines. Thank you for asking...you are so sweet

to think of her. How is Hannah doing with her migraines?

I read that the Celebrex is helping your arthritis? I tried it but my stomach

did not tolerate it at all - I am pleased to hear it is giving you some good

relief - yay!

Beth Yohnk <yohnkmom@...> wrote: Hi

:

Just thought I would give you a quick update the pillow top I bought for

Hannah's mattress. Even though she had a severe flare last week into this week.

I can't begin to tell you how improved her quality of sleep is. I also bought

her an overstuffed down alternative pillow and she looks like a whole new girl!

I'm glad to hear is having better days and will pray she continues to

improve everyday. Have the new treatments helped her migraines???

Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

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Hi Beth,

it is so difficult watching your child push themselves too hard, and I think the

age has a lot to do with it...they want to keep up with their peers.

Sorry you have been so sick with the virus/flu...it sounds like what we had here

last month. I am glad Hannah has not come down with it, and hopefully since it

has been this long, she is not going to. Trouble breathing is the absolute

worst in my book - I sure hope your asthma clears up quickly!

Any signs of Spring yet?

Beth Yohnk <yohnkmom@...> wrote: Hi :

Her sleep is much improved, which is awesome. The bigger problem is she is not

completely owning up to her pain. She is pushing herself like crazy during the

day and then be so sore she needs help getting into bed. She has reverted to

not wanting people to know (even though all her friends know). I can't stop her

from being a kid. She is old enough to know when to rest and I have to let her

learn. It's very hard watching her some nights.

I'm glad the treatments hold promise for . Those pesky periods, just get

in the way! Hannah (knock on wood) has been migraine free for over a month!

This is huge for her. She also has been much healthier too. During her show

I'll bet 1/2 the cast of 84 kids plus adults were sick and she did not catch it.

I came down with the URI/sinus/asthma flare almost 10 days ago, so I'm hoping

she's not going to get it. Especially with her asthma. I have never, ever had

an asthma flare like I've had this week. If she feels like this during an

asthma flare, yikes!!

Keep me posted on , keeping you guys in prayer as always. Hugs.

Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

Re: Beth

Hi Beth,

I am so glad to hear that Hannah's sleep has improved dramatically - as soon as

our tax appt is over tomorrow (I should not be on-line now, but need a break), I

should go place an order for the pillow top...I need a few other things also. Do

you think Hannah's flare last week was in part due to her hectic schedule of her

shows? I hope she is feeling much better this week.

The previous occipital nerve block was pretty helpful, but the one last week

has not been as successful, but we believe it is b/c she has started another

menstrual cycle again....the hormone fluctuations always mess up the works...so,

she will probably have another block sooner. Still cautiously optimistic that

this is the answer for her migraines. Thank you for asking...you are so sweet to

think of her. How is Hannah doing with her migraines?

I read that the Celebrex is helping your arthritis? I tried it but my stomach

did not tolerate it at all - I am pleased to hear it is giving you some good

relief - yay!

Beth Yohnk <yohnkmomsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Hi :

Just thought I would give you a quick update the pillow top I bought for

Hannah's mattress. Even though she had a severe flare last week into this week.

I can't begin to tell you how improved her quality of sleep is. I also bought

her an overstuffed down alternative pillow and she looks like a whole new girl!

I'm glad to hear is having better days and will pray she continues to

improve everyday. Have the new treatments helped her migraines???

Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

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Beth,

I totally know how you feel. It's all so much information to take in. I am so

glad your children haven't had any bad reactions. I sometimes wonder if my

nieces eczema and my nephews numerous ear infections had something to do with

the shots. My daughter had several ear infections while I was breastfeeding

her. My son has had none.

I've learned that nutrition is key in keeping up their immune system. I

actually had a naturopathic doctor tell me that if I was just going to feed them

processed foods, then I should vaccinate!! I was appalled, but at the same time

I think she was just trying to get into my head that I needed better food

choices. I guess it didn't help that we had just had our lunch at 's.

Since then, we shop the perimeter of the store...getting all our necessary

produce and staying away from the processed foods in the middle of the store.

It took us about a year to change our eating habits, and there is still room for

improvement.

I understand about you being reluctant to talk to other people about it. It's

hard for some people to accept something this controversial. A part of us wants

to trust that those medical professionals know what is best...but I stopped

buying it after my daughter's issues...where no one could give me an answer but

at the same time did not try to convince me that it wasn't the vaccines. If her

changes weren't as obvious as night and day, I don't know what I would be

believing today.

My husband is in the military so we move around. I am sorry you have been

seperated from you husband. Have you considered homeschooling if the place you

are going to tries to get you to vaccinate? I've considered it...and not just

because the vaccine issues. Good luck and stay in touch!

Kim

Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote:

Kim, thank you for the post. I honestly am getting more and more to the point

I do not want to vax at all anymore. I am sorry for what your daughter went

through. I have a nephew that I worry about alot. I could go on and on about his

medical problems.....he has had them pretty much since birth but they seem to be

getting worse. I wish I had a way to bring this up to my brother and

sister-in-law without offending them...I just want them to research it for

themselves........

Either of my kids ever seemed to have a reaction to any previous shots. At least

not that I can remember. To date, neither of them have allergies, asthma, never

got a fever or was overly fussing after a vax, never developed a change in bowel

movements, no ear infetions, or anything. I really have racked my brain and I

honestly can not come up with 1 thing that even seems a little odd after getting

any of thier shots. Not to say that there was nothing....I just can not recall

anything specific. They each have only had 1 ear infetions and my oldest son's

infection was actually swimmers ear from his swimming lessons. My youngest son

just had his first on at about 15 months and he did not get any shots around

this time. His last shots were at 12 months....3 months before this happened and

I hoenstly can not believe that his vaccines caused this ear infection......but

I can not say for certain.

Thank you for your personal email address...I am sure I will be in touch

I also know that my situation is a little different as we will be moving

overseas. I have read many post that people do not think my hubby's ob can force

us to get them but I am not so sure. When the kids go over there, they will be

attending international school and from what I understand these schools have

their own set of rule and regulations that no matter what the US says is legal,

that they can override. Not sure how true this is but I can not seem to find the

info I need. If my hubby's job says we have to and I can not find any loopholes

out of it.....well then we are going to have to make this decision. We have

already been living apart for 16 months and I do not look forward to another 5

yrs of it.......although, I am not willing to risk my childs health for it....

Much Love,

Beth

RE: unvaccinated child entering daycare/ immune system

I am about to go through the same thing...but my son will be 22 months by the

time he will be in daycare. I am going back to school in the fall and he is

unvaxed. I am still breastfeeding him and it amazes me how healthy he is. He is

now almost 17 months and he's never really been sick..besides a cold here and

there. My daughter comes home from preschool with all kinds of germs and he

catches something and is over it rather quickly. He's had fevers maybe 5

times...the highest being 103...and I have never given him anything for it. It

goes away the next day, usually. My confidence has increased since he's been

born. I used to be real nervous and anxious about not vaxxing him, but as he

gets older and the more I read on vaccines, the more confident I am that I am

doing the right thing..

After seeing what my daughter went through with her vaccinations. ...there is no

way I could do that to him. I just wish I could go back and undo what I did to

my daughter.

Liz gagnon wrote:

I agree with you Venita, - Isabelle isn't vaxed and still is breastfed... but in

the 4 weeks she has been in daycare we got hit with a BAD GI bug that sent us to

the hospital with her and we had to put her on an IV and then we all have

terrible colds that daddy and I just got dx with bronchitis! yuck

now I believe that not vaxxing and breastfeeding most definitley keeps the

immune system stronger, I just am starting to beleive that it is long term, not

necessarily immediate. I am starting to form the opinion that as my daughter

gets older her immune system will be even stronger getting all these little bugs

in combination with breastfeeding a toddler and not vaxxing..

what are your thoughts?

Liz

Venita Garner wrote:

I did not vax my 16 month old and she has been in daycare for a month.

just be ready for colds, stomach virus, etc... this part has not been

fun!

Liz

vg: not vaxxing will not change the getting colds and any little thing

that comes along. The thing that not vaxxing will do is help the immune

system stay strong to combat the colds and all little things that come

along..

I would not vax my child, even if going into daycare. However, I’m at a

point now in my learning where I’ve gained that conviction. There is no

situation that I can foresee where I will regret that. You need to make

the decision for you b/c if you do it for us and something happens..

nope. Not a good situation. Just like you shouldn’t vax b/c of what a

pro-vaxxer says and pressures you into, you shouldn’t not vax b/c of

pressure not to. You need to make the decision. You need to do the

research and see what pros and cons you can come up with and what you

can live with.

The “vaccine preventable” diseases they insist their marvelous vaccines

have cured, are not something I’m afraid of. When you don’t fear the

disease, you will be a hard sell for the vaccine. Sure lots and lots of

kids have been vaxxed and they “look fine”. But in the back of my mind I

worry and pray that they stay that way now that I know what I OK’d to be

injected into their bodies. My 6.5 y.o. is completely unvaxed. He’s very

healthy. The worst I’ve had to deal with are colds. I think he had the

flu when he was 2 months and so did papa.. both sick at the same time..

not fun but they got through it.

Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian

(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/308

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

enough to make them all yourself.

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Thanks :

The power of prayer is quite amazing! And yes, Hannah is one tough cookie, she

is my hero and my inspiration!

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

Beth

Beth

So glad to hear that your dad is doing better. Hope he continues to improve.

Also so glad to hear that Hannah got to sing! That is incredible. She is one

tough cookie...

and Rob 18 JAS

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Beth:

Despite our kids' struggles, I think that this cruddy disease often brings out

the best in them...

Hugs and prayers to you!

and Rob 18 JAS

Beth

>

> Beth

> So glad to hear that your dad is doing better. Hope he continues

> to improve. Also so glad to hear that Hannah got to sing! That

> is incredible. She is one tough cookie...

> and Rob 18 JAS

>

>

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Beth:When I took him to Immediate Care he told me he had it on last week. I was horrified...afraid they'd find out and think he was crazy or planning something...

So here we are in the exam room, and as soon as the nurse left I told him to hurry and take it off so I could hide it under his coat on my lap. I had just barely gotten it hidden and in walks the doctor...funny now, but I was panicking at the time! Can you imagine??Yes, he is soooo into his major...haven't ever seen him this excited about school. Of course, every semester he gets a criminal justice teacher who was in a different branch, so in the fall he wanted to be a US Marshall, then this semester SWAT, and then a few weeks ago he talked to a Secret Service recruiter. He also has aviator sunglasses now and wants to go back to the army surplus store and get a riot helmet! He is just a mess...

I read Hannah's update. I hope that the Symbicort works better for her. Also that her GERD gets better controlled. In the morning, I have to take prilosec and then take my prednisone about 1/2 hour later or I get really bad GERD. Hope she feels much better soon...

and Rob 18 JAS cool website!> @group s.com> > > Hi everyone: Wanted to share something I came across > while > > Hannah & I were waiting to see her allergy/immunology > > doctor. They had these medical ID bracelet brochures in > > the exam room. Some of them are very expensive, but the > > one I'll be ordering is an adjustable, waterproof band. > > You write your child's medical information on the 2 cards > > provided and they slip right into the bracelet and they come > in > > some really great colors.> > > > I thought with summer coming and some of our kids going to > > various camps, it might something to think about.> > > > The website is: www.sHope. com They > literally > > have hundreds of options.> > > > Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthrtis w/hypermobility; > asthma; > > gerd; migraines> > > > Sending prayers & happy thoughts,> > Beth :-)>

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Boys~~~!!!..l well he's a man but STILL...

thats hilarious about the Immediate care thing..... since 9/11... I can see the concern.... imagine trying to wear that through airport security!!!

Issadora

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:12 PM, and Schulz <snooksmama@...> wrote:

Beth:When I took him to Immediate Care he told me he had it on last week. I was horrified...afraid they'd find out and think he was crazy or planning something...

So here we are in the exam room, and as soon as the nurse left I told him to hurry and take it off so I could hide it under his coat on my lap. I had just barely gotten it hidden and in walks the doctor...funny now, but I was panicking at the time! Can you imagine??

Yes, he is soooo into his major...haven't ever seen him this excited about school. Of course, every semester he gets a criminal justice teacher who was in a different branch, so in the fall he wanted to be a US Marshall, then this semester SWAT, and then a few weeks ago he talked to a Secret Service recruiter. He also has aviator sunglasses now and wants to go back to the army surplus store and get a riot helmet! He is just a mess...

I read Hannah's update. I hope that the Symbicort works better for her. Also that her GERD gets better controlled. In the morning, I have to take prilosec and then take my prednisone about 1/2 hour later or I get really bad GERD. Hope she feels much better soon...

and Rob 18 JAS cool website!> @group s.com> > > Hi everyone: Wanted to share something I came across

> while > > Hannah & I were waiting to see her allergy/immunology > > doctor. They had these medical ID bracelet brochures in > > the exam room. Some of them are very expensive, but the

> > one I'll be ordering is an adjustable, waterproof band. > > You write your child's medical information on the 2 cards > > provided and they slip right into the bracelet and they come

> in > > some really great colors.> > > > I thought with summer coming and some of our kids going to > > various camps, it might something to think about.> > > > The website is: www.sHope. com They

> literally > > have hundreds of options.> > > > Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthrtis w/hypermobility; > asthma; > > gerd; migraines> > > > Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

> > Beth :-)>

-- " Life- Like the flutter of wings... feel your hollow wings rushing... " (AFI- Silver and Cold).

my Flight in life is a metamorphosis of growth and this flutter of wings is within me awaiting to find a space to find it's flow...

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Good for him and that is a great story..LOL. My friends son just finished his basic training last year...then got a pending deployment letter. Not for sure, but scary non-the-less.

She started the Symbicort yesterday, time will tell, but our ped was happy about the switch (I usually don't do anything without his blessing). I let you know next week what happens with the GERD. Aciphex is in a higher tier, but if it helps her, so be it.

Have a great weekend!

Beth & Hannah, 11,unspecified arthritis w/hypermobility; asthma; gerd; migraines

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

cool website!> @group s.com> > > Hi everyone: Wanted to share something I came across > while > > Hannah ! & I were waiting to see her allergy/immunology > > doctor. They had these medical ID bracelet brochures in > > the exam room. Some of them are very expensive, but the > > one I'll be ordering is an adjustable, waterproof band. > > You write your child's medical information on the 2 cards > > provided and they slip right into the bracelet and they come > in > > some really great colors.> > > > I thought with summer coming and some of our kids going to > > various camps, it might something to think about.> > > > The website is:

www.sHope. com They > literally > > have hundreds of options.> > > > Beth & Hannah, 11, unspecified arthrtis w/hypermobility; > asthma; > > gerd; migraines> > > > Sending prayers & happy thoughts,> > Beth :-)>

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Dear Beth,I am so very sorry for your loss. Know that we are keeping you and your family in our thoughts during this difficult time; I pray your memories of your Dad will bring you much comfort in the months and years ahead.Hugs to you and Hannah. & Beth Yohnk <yohnkmom@...> wrote: My dad passed away peacefully last night at 11:15 surrounded by all of us.

Beth

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