Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

[Guest guest]

Hi o and EveryOne,

We are of course not qualified to offer a medical opinion and do not do so now.

There have been many people who reported that Kombucha helped them with

everything from acid reflux to Crohns Disease.

You must do what you feel is right for you. If you do decide to try it start

with a small amount and also be sure to drink plenty of water throughout the

day.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> This is my kombucha after 10 days of brewing.

>

> http://dite.homeip.net/kombucha/kombucha2.jpg

>

> There is a nice scooby on top.

> I added a heat mat to raise the temperature, it helped a lot

> All this without the KT starter, only the scooby, tea, sugar and 3

> tablespoon of

> apple cider vinegar.

>

> I will make a second batch today with this KT as starter.

> Now to the sad part, I have a gastritis and an inflammation in the upper

> intestine,

> and I'm using acidity blockers to heal this.

>

> I'm not sure if I can drink Kombucha Tea

> It seems I produce a lot of acid

>

> What do you think about ?

>

> Cheers,

> o

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh..no! That is a nice healthy, baby it should be on top of mom, or in its own

brew at its own right! What made you do that?? Rescue it and soak in vinegar,

it will be revived !Jahjet ( are u just pulling a leg?)

>

> Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

>

> I will post photos

>

> --

> o

>

[Guest guest]

Multiple scobies is a good thing!

What made you decide to remove the baby?

Warmly,

Velma

kombucha tea

From: roberto.sebastiano@...

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:13:50 +0200

Subject: Re: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

I will post photos

--

o

[Guest guest]

Multiple scobies is a good thing!

What made you decide to remove the baby?

Warmly,

Velma

kombucha tea

From: roberto.sebastiano@...

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:13:50 +0200

Subject: Re: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

I will post photos

--

o

[Guest guest]

That was a weird thing ...to throw out the baby,,, on any level... think about

it... just relax read directions on this site & others, there are so many books

and tons of stuff on the net.... too much info out there for anyone to remain

misinformed...come on guys.. research, German & otherwise is out there for

anyone to read, since 1920's, sometimes I get so discouraged on this site,that

no one seems to be bothered with all the information that is already there on

the site, I was hoping to be learning a little more instead of the same old

re-hash....if I read one more thing on freaking mold without you actually

knowing what you are brewing...(an acidic bev, that DESTROYS MOLD , naturally,)

which,  it's all about, healthy pro-biotic yeasty bacteria !!!! I don't hear

anyone freaking out that they just drank a COKE, or ate a burger... give me a

break...  

From: Jahjet <jahjet@...>

Subject: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

kombucha tea

Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 9:48 PM

 

o , i hope you will put mom back in there it looked like a nice momma

scobie, so what were your plans on that? I would keep baby on top! Jahjet

> >

> > I just tasted it.

> >

> > To my surprise, it was good to me, but still too sweet.

> > There was no tastable fizz

> >

> > Before starting drinking KT I have to make some bowel analisys, so I

> > discarded this first batch and made a second one to ferment, this time

> > with the KT starter

> >

> > This is the first scooby:

> > http://dite. homeip.net/ kombucha/ kombucha3. jpg

> >

> >

> >

> > The second one should be more thick I think

> >

> > Regards,

> > o

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That was a weird thing ...to throw out the baby,,, on any level... think about

it... just relax read directions on this site & others, there are so many books

and tons of stuff on the net.... too much info out there for anyone to remain

misinformed...come on guys.. research, German & otherwise is out there for

anyone to read, since 1920's, sometimes I get so discouraged on this site,that

no one seems to be bothered with all the information that is already there on

the site, I was hoping to be learning a little more instead of the same old

re-hash....if I read one more thing on freaking mold without you actually

knowing what you are brewing...(an acidic bev, that DESTROYS MOLD , naturally,)

which,  it's all about, healthy pro-biotic yeasty bacteria !!!! I don't hear

anyone freaking out that they just drank a COKE, or ate a burger... give me a

break...  

From: Jahjet <jahjet@...>

Subject: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

kombucha tea

Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 9:48 PM

 

o , i hope you will put mom back in there it looked like a nice momma

scobie, so what were your plans on that? I would keep baby on top! Jahjet

> >

> > I just tasted it.

> >

> > To my surprise, it was good to me, but still too sweet.

> > There was no tastable fizz

> >

> > Before starting drinking KT I have to make some bowel analisys, so I

> > discarded this first batch and made a second one to ferment, this time

> > with the KT starter

> >

> > This is the first scooby:

> > http://dite. homeip.net/ kombucha/ kombucha3. jpg

> >

> >

> >

> > The second one should be more thick I think

> >

> > Regards,

> > o

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Though lemons are acidic, I hear they have an alkalizing effect on the body

like Kombucha should. I think the best time to drink kombucha is when it tastes

more like vinegar. If you drink it too early in it's stage, you are just

drinking sugar tea, and cancer thrives on sugar. When I started drinking it in

it's early stage, it tasted better, but I began to feel very bloated.

Just my 2 cents!

~nne

________________________________

From: Jahjet <jahjet@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 3:36:29 PM

Subject: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

o, it has a balancing, alkalizing effect on the body,( i was trying to

say>>) Cheers Jahjet

>

> Not if the apple cider vinegar is pasteurized.

>

> For the alkalizing part, I doubt that kombucha can alkalize the body in

> the long run, the ph is low and there are no minerals in it.

>

> This is my understanding of it, not a definitive word.

>

> I'll try to drink the next batch

>

> Thank you,

> o

>

[Guest guest]

Though lemons are acidic, I hear they have an alkalizing effect on the body

like Kombucha should. I think the best time to drink kombucha is when it tastes

more like vinegar. If you drink it too early in it's stage, you are just

drinking sugar tea, and cancer thrives on sugar. When I started drinking it in

it's early stage, it tasted better, but I began to feel very bloated.

Just my 2 cents!

~nne

________________________________

From: Jahjet <jahjet@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 3:36:29 PM

Subject: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

o, it has a balancing, alkalizing effect on the body,( i was trying to

say>>) Cheers Jahjet

>

> Not if the apple cider vinegar is pasteurized.

>

> For the alkalizing part, I doubt that kombucha can alkalize the body in

> the long run, the ph is low and there are no minerals in it.

>

> This is my understanding of it, not a definitive word.

>

> I'll try to drink the next batch

>

> Thank you,

> o

>

[Guest guest]

I removed the first baby scooby because I added vinegar to the brew as

starter.

Otherwise I would keep it in...

Also, there will be a time when you'll have too many scoobies for your

jar. What you do if you don't have anyone to give it to, have no dog

etc ?

I would keep the healtiest ones and discard the oldest

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

I removed the first baby scooby because I added vinegar to the brew as

starter.

Otherwise I would keep it in...

Also, there will be a time when you'll have too many scoobies for your

jar. What you do if you don't have anyone to give it to, have no dog

etc ?

I would keep the healtiest ones and discard the oldest

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

Even if you add vinegar, you can leave all the scobies in. And, it's more

valuable to use previous KT instead of vinegar.

I have probably 4 scobies per jar. Just started a hotel recently so I have

backups in case anything does go wrong.

I heard of using old scobies on rose bushes. There are a lot of uses for

old scobies if you snoop around. There's a ton of info on the net.

Hope that helps!

Warmly,

Velma

kombucha tea

From: roberto.sebastiano@...

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:45:57 +0200

Subject: RE: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

I removed the first baby scooby because I added vinegar to the brew as

starter.

Otherwise I would keep it in...

Also, there will be a time when you'll have too many scoobies for your

jar. What you do if you don't have anyone to give it to, have no dog

etc ?

I would keep the healtiest ones and discard the oldest

Regards,

o

_

[Guest guest]

Cheers, o..I think i understand , you were concerned that your daughter

scobie may have been tainted by the vinegar. Your Mother scoby was the one that

supplied the daughter with all she needed,the vinegar was a safety net mostly

and to induce a faster birth(to make yeast action faster,and to keep mold

invasion less likely) Mother gave it all she had, when baby was formed. Yet

still have more to give. I remember when i had my babies,took a lot out of me,

and took my body a while..to regenerate, for next baby. An analagy,what i think

happens. That daughter ( discarded)had everything she needed to make new

daughter from her mother,like you said..goes on an on..with daughters to carry

on. Peace, Jahjet

PS: we were talking about this earlier, you need a mother , or KT to make

scobie, of course having both is nice to have but not necessary,

> I removed the first baby scooby because I added vinegar to the brew as

starter.

>

> Otherwise I would keep it in...

>

> Also, there will be a time when you'll have too many scoobies for your

> jar. What you do if you don't have anyone to give it to, have no dog

> etc ?

>

> I would keep the healtiest ones and discard the oldest

>

>

> Regards,

> o

>

[Guest guest]

Cheers, o..I think i understand , you were concerned that your daughter

scobie may have been tainted by the vinegar. Your Mother scoby was the one that

supplied the daughter with all she needed,the vinegar was a safety net mostly

and to induce a faster birth(to make yeast action faster,and to keep mold

invasion less likely) Mother gave it all she had, when baby was formed. Yet

still have more to give. I remember when i had my babies,took a lot out of me,

and took my body a while..to regenerate, for next baby. An analagy,what i think

happens. That daughter ( discarded)had everything she needed to make new

daughter from her mother,like you said..goes on an on..with daughters to carry

on. Peace, Jahjet

PS: we were talking about this earlier, you need a mother , or KT to make

scobie, of course having both is nice to have but not necessary,

> I removed the first baby scooby because I added vinegar to the brew as

starter.

>

> Otherwise I would keep it in...

>

> Also, there will be a time when you'll have too many scoobies for your

> jar. What you do if you don't have anyone to give it to, have no dog

> etc ?

>

> I would keep the healtiest ones and discard the oldest

>

>

> Regards,

> o

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe i'm just paranoid ... And hopefully a more seasoned KT brewer will back

me up OR correct me if im wrong !!!

But microbiology tells me that I shouldn't touch the scoby with my bare hand.

Even clean hands have a million of our natural flora bacterium in the surface.

If you are handling a SCOBY without sterile glove, it shouldn't be put right in

to propagate...

****note-I believe this is the one was discarding. For beanies (I am one

too), I didn't want anyone to see the pic and presume it is okay to handle with

fingers. It will increase your chances greatly of growing something you DONT

want in your brew.

~~~janine~~~

On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:28 PM, " Jahjet " <jahjet@...> wrote:

Oh..no! That is a nice healthy, baby it should be on top of mom, or in its own

brew at its own right! What made you do that?? Rescue it and soak in vinegar, it

will be revived !Jahjet ( are u just pulling a leg?)

>

> Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

>

> I will post photos

>

> --

> o

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe i'm just paranoid ... And hopefully a more seasoned KT brewer will back

me up OR correct me if im wrong !!!

But microbiology tells me that I shouldn't touch the scoby with my bare hand.

Even clean hands have a million of our natural flora bacterium in the surface.

If you are handling a SCOBY without sterile glove, it shouldn't be put right in

to propagate...

****note-I believe this is the one was discarding. For beanies (I am one

too), I didn't want anyone to see the pic and presume it is okay to handle with

fingers. It will increase your chances greatly of growing something you DONT

want in your brew.

~~~janine~~~

On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:28 PM, " Jahjet " <jahjet@...> wrote:

Oh..no! That is a nice healthy, baby it should be on top of mom, or in its own

brew at its own right! What made you do that?? Rescue it and soak in vinegar, it

will be revived !Jahjet ( are u just pulling a leg?)

>

> Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

>

> I will post photos

>

> --

> o

>

[Guest guest]

I discarded that

I handle my scoobies with a plastic tool, no hands involved !

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

I handle it with my washed hands.

Patti

________________________________

From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 11:05:40 AM

Subject: Re: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

I discarded that

I handle my scoobies with a plastic tool, no hands involved !

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

I handle it with my washed hands.

Patti

________________________________

From: o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 11:05:40 AM

Subject: Re: Re: first batch, temperature and fermentation

I discarded that

I handle my scoobies with a plastic tool, no hands involved !

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

....if that concerned, and should be, make sure to scrub your hands well,have

short nails. I have very short nails, i still give an occasional massage, so i

am in habit of keeping it short. I also rinse my hands in distilled vinegar. I

think they are allergic to latex,or I am. LOL, Jahjet

> >

> > Mother is in, I discarded the first baby

> >

> > I will post photos

> >

> > --

> > o

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I figured! Thanks for not taking it the wrong way. With the pic (and LOVELY

SCOBY), I just didn't ant anyone going by the visual alone. Many people think

(and our children are taught) that washed hands are bacteria free... Keep us

posted....I love to see the pictures !!!!

~~~janine~~

On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:05 PM, o Sebastiano <roberto.sebastiano@...>

wrote:

.......I handle my scoobies with a plastic tool, no hands involved !

Regards,

o

[Guest guest]

I use silverware that I put in boiling water ahead of time. Perhaps I over do it

a little .... I try to get as close to 'sterile technique' as possible.

~~~janine~~~

On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:12 PM, " Jahjet " <jahjet@...> wrote:

....if that concerned, and should be, make sure to scrub your hands well,have

short nails. I have very short nails, i still give an occasional massage, so i

am in habit of keeping it short. I also rinse my hands in distilled vinegar. I

think they are allergic to latex,or I am. LOL, Jahjet

[Guest guest]

I use silverware that I put in boiling water ahead of time. Perhaps I over do it

a little .... I try to get as close to 'sterile technique' as possible.

~~~janine~~~

On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:12 PM, " Jahjet " <jahjet@...> wrote:

....if that concerned, and should be, make sure to scrub your hands well,have

short nails. I have very short nails, i still give an occasional massage, so i

am in habit of keeping it short. I also rinse my hands in distilled vinegar. I

think they are allergic to latex,or I am. LOL, Jahjet

[Guest guest]

In message <164998.78649.qm@...> you wrote:

>

> Even clean hands have a million of our natural flora bacterium in the

> surface.

Janine, the key word is " natural " .

As it is totally natural to touch a new born baby or anyone for that matter,

it is also natural to touch the Kombucha culture with normally clean hands.

Hands that are clean enough to cook with, are clean enough for work with

probiotic cultures like Kombucha and Kefir.

In almost 30 years of brewing I never had a contamination that rendered

the product of my cultures unconsumable.... on the contrary, the Kombucha

microflora very happily coexists with my microflora!

> If you are handling a SCOBY without sterile glove, ....

I'm too common sense to be so paranoid! ;-)

What's 'beanies', btw?

My relationship with my scobys is a close and loving one:

I touch them and they touch me.

That's the natural way.

Paranoia is downright unhealthy!

Gobsmacked,

Margret:-) UK

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+------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+

http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk/family/scobygrow/home.html

http://bavarianminstrel.wordpress.com

creation.com

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

(Ps.51:10)

[Guest guest]

In message <164998.78649.qm@...> you wrote:

>

> Even clean hands have a million of our natural flora bacterium in the

> surface.

Janine, the key word is " natural " .

As it is totally natural to touch a new born baby or anyone for that matter,

it is also natural to touch the Kombucha culture with normally clean hands.

Hands that are clean enough to cook with, are clean enough for work with

probiotic cultures like Kombucha and Kefir.

In almost 30 years of brewing I never had a contamination that rendered

the product of my cultures unconsumable.... on the contrary, the Kombucha

microflora very happily coexists with my microflora!

> If you are handling a SCOBY without sterile glove, ....

I'm too common sense to be so paranoid! ;-)

What's 'beanies', btw?

My relationship with my scobys is a close and loving one:

I touch them and they touch me.

That's the natural way.

Paranoia is downright unhealthy!

Gobsmacked,

Margret:-) UK

--

+------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+

http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk/family/scobygrow/home.html

http://bavarianminstrel.wordpress.com

creation.com

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

(Ps.51:10)

[Guest guest]

...i kind of like the idea of plastic, better then silver or stainless.

>

> ...if that concerned, and should be, make sure to scrub your hands well,have

short nails. I have very short nails, i still give an occasional massage, so i

am in habit of keeping it short. I also rinse my hands in distilled vinegar. I

think they are allergic to latex,or I am. LOL, Jahjet

>