Re: Raven...I find this interesting

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In a message dated 9/29/2007 6:33:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pfreeman@... writes:

You won't want yoeran to stay, . This is the person from Belgium who said I was right. No wonder they are leaving because you would attack them if they were to continue speaking their mind.No need to bother putting me on notice...I will not bother posting here any more...There, you won...don't you feel so big and important now?

Where they are from is irrelevant. They were not rude or leveling personal attacks.

I do not consider this a win, but an unfortunate necessity dictated by your actions.

I have said all that I have to say on this matter.

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--- In , " pcfree45 " <pfreeman@...>

Are there any others following this thread from other

> countries that have any thoughts on this topic?

Are there any others besides me who would like to see this topic die?

[Guest guest]

Okay, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to just

send off my first reaction - but honestly I don't know why the same

positions must be repeated over and over again - obviously both sides

disagree and are not going to agree...

I came to this list because I thought it was about AS and I understand

people with AS have special interests and obsessions and some of those

might surround politics - but if this continues, I can't see how it

will produce a supportive and safe atmosphere for discussion of the

issues that we do share in common.

>

> --- In , " pcfree45 " <pfreeman@>

> Are there any others following this thread from other

> > countries that have any thoughts on this topic?

>

>

> Are there any others besides me who would like to see this topic die?

>

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I understand that one of the traits of AS is ego-centrism. You seem

to be the self(?)-appointed " expert " in all topics. When anyone asks

a question, you are right there to say how the subject has been dealt

with from your perspective as if yours was the only accurate

response. You seem to have done it all and know the answers to

everything. What is your education in? What do you do for a living?

What is your background? (and don't go off saying I am attacking you

as an excuse to not respond. I believe you have attacked me more-so

by belittling my thoughts)

I find it arrogant on your part to deem anyone's thread " closed. "

Especially when someone from Belgium speaks up and says that what I

have brought up has been presented in documentaries in their country

on this subject. They also said that they have been following this

thread with interest.

If you have no interest in this thread, then don't read/reply to it.

I feel I have been respectful to your superior knowledge of history.

I feel that you have not been the same with me and my background in

engineering. Your confusion between kinetic/stored energy and

inertia shows your lack of knowledge in the subject just as my

foolish comments on Lincoln freeing the slaves showed my lack of

knowledge of American History.

I have posted a request from others outside North America for their

comments on this subject. This thread is open to all who may answer.

>

>

> In a message dated 9/29/2007 3:55:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> epitome_hawke@... writes:

>

> Are there any others besides me who would like to see this topic

die?

>

>

>

> I was hoping that it would by itself. However, that doesn't seem to

be the

> case. So, since nothing productive is being accomplished with it,

this thread

> is closed.

>

>

>

>

>

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I feel autistic within this group. It seems that there are social

rules here that I can not get a grip on, or understand well enough.

Also lurking did not make me learn more about how this group works.

So I will leave this group.

Thank you for those with interesting posts.

>

> I understand that one of the traits of AS is ego-centrism. You seem

> to be the self(?)-appointed " expert " in all topics. When anyone

asks

> a question, you are right there to say how the subject has been

dealt

> with from your perspective as if yours was the only accurate

> response. You seem to have done it all and know the answers to

> everything. What is your education in? What do you do for a

living?

> What is your background? (and don't go off saying I am attacking

you

> as an excuse to not respond. I believe you have attacked me more-so

> by belittling my thoughts)

>

> I find it arrogant on your part to deem anyone's thread " closed. "

> Especially when someone from Belgium speaks up and says that what I

> have brought up has been presented in documentaries in their

country

> on this subject. They also said that they have been following this

> thread with interest.

>

> If you have no interest in this thread, then don't read/reply to

it.

> I feel I have been respectful to your superior knowledge of

history.

> I feel that you have not been the same with me and my background in

> engineering. Your confusion between kinetic/stored energy and

> inertia shows your lack of knowledge in the subject just as my

> foolish comments on Lincoln freeing the slaves showed my lack of

> knowledge of American History.

>

> I have posted a request from others outside North America for their

> comments on this subject. This thread is open to all who may

answer.

>

>

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I see how people who come here " to cause trouble " are dealt with.

Causing trouble=disagreeing with the moderator (I never saw the

word " Moderator " or " administrator " ever mentioned with 's

name). I, too feel there are rules here that are unfair. The one I

have learned is that some are omnipotent and everyone else is wrong.

I guess this is why there are so few who are posting here in

comparison to other groups I belong to. So, yoeran, I will probably

be following you soon... (I wonder how many have precedded you?)

> >

> > I understand that one of the traits of AS is ego-centrism. You

seem

> > to be the self(?)-appointed " expert " in all topics. When anyone

> asks

> > a question, you are right there to say how the subject has been

> dealt

> > with from your perspective as if yours was the only accurate

> > response. You seem to have done it all and know the answers to

> > everything. What is your education in? What do you do for a

> living?

> > What is your background? (and don't go off saying I am attacking

> you

> > as an excuse to not respond. I believe you have attacked me more-

so

> > by belittling my thoughts)

> >

> > I find it arrogant on your part to deem anyone's

thread " closed. "

> > Especially when someone from Belgium speaks up and says that what

I

> > have brought up has been presented in documentaries in their

> country

> > on this subject. They also said that they have been following

this

> > thread with interest.

> >

> > If you have no interest in this thread, then don't read/reply to

> it.

> > I feel I have been respectful to your superior knowledge of

> history.

> > I feel that you have not been the same with me and my background

in

> > engineering. Your confusion between kinetic/stored energy and

> > inertia shows your lack of knowledge in the subject just as my

> > foolish comments on Lincoln freeing the slaves showed my lack of

> > knowledge of American History.

> >

> > I have posted a request from others outside North America for

their

> > comments on this subject. This thread is open to all who may

> answer.

> >

> >

>

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You don't get it, , do you. He is leaving because of your

rules. You can't deal with being wrong.

>

>

> In a message dated 9/29/2007 6:06:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> no_reply writes:

>

> I feel autistic within this group. It seems that there are social

> rules here that I can not get a grip on, or understand well

enough.

>

> Also lurking did not make me learn more about how this group

works.

> So I will leave this group.

>

> Thank you for those with interesting posts.

>

>

>

> No need to leave. There are problems like this from time to time,

but they

> are the exception to the rule.

>

>

>

>

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You won't want yoeran to stay, . This is the person from

Belgium who said I was right. No wonder they are leaving because you

would attack them if they were to continue speaking their mind.

No need to bother putting me on notice...I will not bother posting

here any more...

There, you won...don't you feel so big and important now?

PS, Raven, if you would send me the information you were speaking of

in your post, you can e-mail me direct. I would be happy to read

what you send....that is if the " moderator " doesn't delete my

information...

>

>

> In a message dated 9/29/2007 6:06:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> no_reply writes:

>

> I feel autistic within this group. It seems that there are social

> rules here that I can not get a grip on, or understand well

enough.

>

> Also lurking did not make me learn more about how this group

works.

> So I will leave this group.

>

> Thank you for those with interesting posts.

>

>

>

> No need to leave. There are problems like this from time to time,

but they

> are the exception to the rule.

>

>

>

>

>

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You bend the rules to your own benefit when someone points out you

are wrong.

>

>

> In a message dated 9/29/2007 6:28:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> pfreeman@... writes:

>

> You don't get it, , do you. He is leaving because of your

> rules. You can't deal with being wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

> He knew the rules when he signed up. If he doesn't like someone

being called

> for personal attacks when they are against the rules and the

offender has

> been warned by two moderators, yet they persist, then he is free to

leave.

>

> You, however, are on moderation. You have earned this with your

latest

> attack, in the quoted post, on me.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So far, no one has left the boards. You are free to leave if you

wish.

See, you are wrong again! Yoeran just left!

>

>

> In a message dated 9/29/2007 6:26:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> pfreeman@... writes:

>

> I see how people who come here " to cause trouble " are dealt with.

> Causing trouble=disagreeing with the moderator (I never saw the

> word " Moderator " or " administrator " ever mentioned with 's

> name). I, too feel there are rules here that are unfair. The one I

> have learned is that some are omnipotent and everyone else is

wrong.

>

> I guess this is why there are so few who are posting here in

> comparison to other groups I belong to. So, yoeran, I will

probably

> be following you soon... (I wonder how many have precedded you?)

>

>

>

>

>

> That I am a moderator should be in the welcome you got upon joining

up.

>

> You are not in trouble for disagreeing with me but rather your

personal

> attacks against myself and someone else you know was a moderator.

>

> So few people are posting because of the hostile tone the board has

taken,

> particularly in this thread. This is also a busy time of year for

many of our

> members as many have school aged children.

>

> So far, no one has left the boards. You are free to leave if you

wish.

>

>

>

>

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I came to this board because I was told that it might be a safe place

to hang out with other aspies... unfortunately this particular

discussion was getting so heated and personal it was disrupting the

atmosphere and I feared maybe this is just like other boards. I was

going to not say anything and just watch, but I couldn't help it and

posted.

When stepped in and ended the the thread, and then pointed out

that personal attacks are not welcome I truly felt safer here.

I have been on sites where moderators let bullies rule the roost and

it's not fun... it feels like the playground in grade school all over

again.

I don't fear being moderated because I speak with civility as much as

I can. (though I am blunt and might get intense now and again)

If you have not left yet and have the time, look back a few pages and

see that I have disagreed with Tom and Raven on an issue regarding Top

Model. However, despite a misunderstanding, and hurt feelings (on my

part anyway) it ended peacefully. That was because neither side felt

the need to continue belaboring the point and both sides were civil.

There may come a time when I disagree with on something, but

from what I've seen, so long as I remain civil I don't think he'll

have a problem with it.

, I've found several of the topics you've brought up interesting,

it's just that this one was going on too long. The fact that you went

on so long and were never prohibited, and some just left the argument

should prove to you that dissent is allowed without consequence.

However, what disturbs me the most is that you are acting as if the

WAY you talk to people is a right as much as what you say and now that

you have been warned you're going on a victimization rant.

I've been warned many times on other boards for things I thought were

unfair, sometimes I whined about it, sometimes I just took my lumps.

What I learned is that if someone is the moderator, in the end, for

your own sake and for the sake of the community, you either have to

live with their decisions and stick by the rules... or leave.

Dragging things out is just messy, hard on your nerves and the

moderators nerves, and not helpful for the purpose of the community.

>

> I see how people who come here " to cause trouble " are dealt with.

> Causing trouble=disagreeing with the moderator (I never saw the

> word " Moderator " or " administrator " ever mentioned with 's

> name). I, too feel there are rules here that are unfair. The one I

> have learned is that some are omnipotent and everyone else is wrong.

>

> I guess this is why there are so few who are posting here in

> comparison to other groups I belong to. So, yoeran, I will probably

> be following you soon... (I wonder how many have precedded you?)

>

>

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>

> I found this post very thoughtful " sox " as well as your last i am

glad you are here mimi