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February 22, 2000

Hi, Can anyone help--what color are non-generic Minocin 100mg capsules? I am

asking for DAW at my pharmacy and get the 2 colored green capsules for 100mg

size, but I was looking at an RX site online that said orange and purple.

The ones I am buying are more expensive than the generic because my

insurance doesn't cover them above a certain $ amt, but just checking.

Thanks,

<< Hi everyone,

I just picked up my new prescription of Minocin. Came home and looked at

the bottle, opened it and called the pharmacy. They gave me generic! I

was told due to new edicts from the health insurance company they will

no longer pay for brand Minocin. I told her I would cover the balance

since my doctor specified NECESSARY. She said I should try it for a few

weeks since there was no difference. If here is no difference...why do

they call it generic. Duh

It was 4o dollars more and I think it was well worth it. I would pay 100

dollars more if I had to. I am in remission and really have been about 6

months so I would not want to change now. People (the pharmacist) just

don't understand what it means to this disease to have the brand name.

cooky-

>>

February 22, 2000

Those capsules are dark green on one end and light green on the other. Hope

this is of help. :>))

Sjlane99@... wrote:

> From: Sjlane99@...

>

> Hi, Can anyone help--what color are non-generic Minocin 100mg capsules? I am

> asking for DAW at my pharmacy and get the 2 colored green capsules for 100mg

> size, but I was looking at an RX site online that said orange and purple.

> The ones I am buying are more expensive than the generic because my

> insurance doesn't cover them above a certain $ amt, but just checking.

> Thanks,

>

> << Hi everyone,

>

> I just picked up my new prescription of Minocin. Came home and looked at

> the bottle, opened it and called the pharmacy. They gave me generic! I

> was told due to new edicts from the health insurance company they will

> no longer pay for brand Minocin. I told her I would cover the balance

> since my doctor specified NECESSARY. She said I should try it for a few

> weeks since there was no difference. If here is no difference...why do

> they call it generic. Duh

>

> It was 4o dollars more and I think it was well worth it. I would pay 100

> dollars more if I had to. I am in remission and really have been about 6

> months so I would not want to change now. People (the pharmacist) just

> don't understand what it means to this disease to have the brand name.

>

> cooky-

> >>

>

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November 29, 2003

Hi -

I'm not sure how much the initial visit is, because my

ins covered it, but the initial phone consult is often

$250 (extended time - it was 40 min each kid I think -

I have 2) and regular phone consults are $165.00. The

phone consults start out every 4 weeks, sometimes

extended to 6 weeks when doing well, and eventually

even as far apart as 2 months if you're struggling

financially and your child is progressing well. If

your local medi-cal physician will do the labs, you

would save significant amounts of $, approx $2000.00

to $2500.00 for the initial set of labs. Most drs

should not have a big problem w/ordering them,

although I did have to push a little myself. The

neurospect is over $2000, but Dr G does not require

them very often, especially if it is not affordable.

They do take cash - in fact they only accept Blue

Cross and no other ins - they'll file, but you have to

pay up front and then get reimbursed.

It is my understanding that Dr G is still not

accepting new patients at this time though. You can

request to get on a waiting list and send in records

though. Even if you can't get in to see Dr G, getting

the labs done can sometimes get your child earlier

treatment if the results are significant enough. Ours

were not, but mine were not as severely affected. And

doing dietary intervention doesn't require a dr,

although getting the labs done (specifically CBC

w/diff & eosiniphils and the food screen panel) can

help guide you somewhat.

Best of luck-

--- tiffanysenseny <tiffanysenseny@...> wrote:

> I have no insurance for my son except medi-cal. I'm

> sure he doesn't

> accept that but I would be willing to pay cash. I'm

> going to call

> and ask how much the visits are on monday. But I

> was just wondering

> if any of you know what it normaly runs. Or will

> they even accept

> cash? Please write back.

> Senseney

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July 24, 2010

Dear ,

Sorry to hear about your current predicament. I would be angry with my

husband, too if he thought it was too expensive to see my doctor. I would ask

him whose health it was anyway. You still work, so I would take my money and

go. That's what I would do, but then I don't know all of your circumstances or

what he is thinking. I can talk about my health all I want and he listens, but

when it comes to M O N E Y, my husband clams up. I always handled the money -

he doesn't even carry the checkbook because the first one he had after we

married, he lost and he never wanted to carry one again. We called the bank and

they put a stop order on every one of them.

If the doctor suggests something expensive, I balk and he interrupts and says

money doesn't matter, get the best. I always want to hick him in the shin when

he does that. So.........I am the one who worries about money. Suzzie has a

different opinion about the visit, so we pre a pro and a con. In the end, do

what is best for you and I'm sure he will go along with that decision. Go ahead

and vent, we love it when you talk " dirty " . LOL Good luck and have a good

trip, because I have a feeling you will be taking it. LOL

Best wishes,

Lottie Duthu

August 24, 2010

Hi there, Taryn, is it?

You don't absolutely *have* to eat all organic foods to do well on this program.

Where I am, I can't get organic meat at all, so I just do the best I can. Eggs

is something I don't compromise on, so I buy organic free-range. And I don't

usually buy organic vegetables either since I can't afford them.

Ground meats and cheaper cuts of meat are just as good for you, too.

Most people find that buying supplements from iHerb is a lot cheaper than buying

at their local health food store. This include the exchange rate and any import

duty. Bee and many other members also live in Canada and still find iHerb

cheaper.

Is it possible for you to buy coconut oil in bulk so that you don't have to pay

so much for a small container. Perhaps other members in Canada can give you

some hints about where to buy.

Good luck!

(a group moderator)

>

> Hello,

>

> Thank-you for all the advice you have given me. I have tried the avocado eaten

with a full meal.... we'll see what happens.

>

> I have been on this program for almost two months and had been eating nuts and

seeds properly prepared, they never bothered me. Does this mean I would have to

start all over again to get results?? I just feel so hopeless right now.

>

> I am also spending WAY too much money on food, I cant afford it. Organic is

expensive and I am only 24 years old, I'm not rich... and I have to start school

again in the fall. I am trying my hardest to eat properly, but I cant afford to

get grass fed free range meat. I buy the hormone free/antibiotic free meat from

Superstore here in Canada, it's the closest thing I can get. And sometimes I

cant buy all orgainc veggies. I cant believe the price difference.... I am

literally going to go broke being on this program. I am starting to get very

depressed thinking about all of my money going to food... I cant afford anything

else right now really. I know this is all for my health and happiness in the

future, but Id ont know if I'll have much of a future if I spend every last

penny I have on food. Also supplements are super expensive too.... Dont know how

much longer I can do this guys...........

>

> Any suggestions on how to save money?? I also just spent $24 on a 32oz jar of

coconut oil.... ugh.

>

August 24, 2010

IMO, the three most important things you can do to save money on food (other

than growing your own) are:

1. Read, read, read the grocery ads for your area.

2. Check out all available local sources to see where you can get the best

deal... warehouse stores, overstock stores, discount stores, etc. Some of these

places won't advertise, but might have regular prices that are low.

3. Get yourself a freezer of some sort (even if it's only a used manual

defrost model).

For coconut oil, check out the various sources recommended, but also figure in

the cost of shipping to see who has the best deal. Nutiva charges $49.99 for 1

gallon of coconut oil, shipping is free on any order over $30.00.

Saltworks.us (one good source of various sea salts) has free shipping until the

end of 2010.

With some of the places from which you buy online, check to see if they have any

kind of discount available on Facebook or other such social program.

If you are familiar with Freecycle, they have various lists for local

areas. Maybe there is one local to you. People sometimes give away working

freezers rather than toss them out.

About 8 years ago, I bought a used manual-defrost freezer for $50 plus the cost

of renting a truck to take it home. The sellers were upgrading to something

bigger and fancier, and I got a good deal. It even came with the original

instructions. I recently got rid of that freezer to our electric company's

recycling program, which gave us $50 for it (more than I could have sold it

for).

If you find stuff on sale and fill up your freezer, you can cut down on shopping

trips and just eat your way slowly through your stock of frozen meats.

I know that food prices are going up... but I try to keep my chickens under 80

cents per pound, pork and other meats under $2.00 per pound where possible.

Right now my maximum price per pound (for any kind of meat) that I am willing to

pay is $3.00 per pound.

For some people, it might pay to buy a meat grinder of some sort... oftentimes

it might be cheaper to buy a big London broil steak (on sale at less than $2.00

per pound) and grind it, rather than pay for meat that is already ground at

$3.50 per pound... and you know what went into it. If your meat is too lean,

you can get hold of some additional fat and grind it up to add to the mix.

When I get some more bills paid off, those maximums might go up a little bit,

but not by much. I can get butter for less than $2.00 per pound if I shop at

the 99 Cents Only stores. I only buy asparagus in the spring when it's maybe

$1.00 per pound. If I had more time, I'd buy 20 pounds and parboil and freeze

it.

You also don't have to visit 20 stores in the same day; but you can make a game

of seeing where you save money. I don't use coupons because I mostly buy fresh

meats and veggies. I also don't buy that many name-brand items.

Pam Maltzman

August 24, 2010

Wow Pam, you're very fortunate to have such reasonable prices at the grocery

store! Where do you live (generally speaking)?

I don't think I've ever seen butter for $2/lb, even the store-brand salted

stuff. Meat for $2/lb? Almost unheard of around here, unless you're lucky

enough to find stuff on the last sale day that's been marked down. Yes,

chicken for .49-.99/lb on sale sometimes, but it's rare.

But honestly, after watching Food, Inc, I can't bring myself to buy

commercially raised animal products anymore, which is driving our household

food budget WAY up. I buy beef by the side, farmer's market produce, farm

fresh eggs, but even as the ultimate penny pincher, this program is going to

be more expensive than buying packaged foods. I've been converting my two

youngest over, and since cutting out grains and fruit, they've been eating a

lot more meat. I've gone through 30 lbs of ground beef in a month! I told

hubby I'm not sure we can afford to get healthy.

I know that food prices are going up... but I try to keep my chickens under

80 cents per pound, pork and other meats under $2.00 per pound where

possible. Right now my maximum price per pound (for any kind of meat) that I

am willing to pay is $3.00 per pound.

August 25, 2010

Hi, :

> Wow Pam, you're very fortunate to have such reasonable prices at the grocery

> store! Where do you live (generally speaking)?

I'm in Lancaster, California, up in the high desert about 60 miles north of Los

Angeles.

I want to emphasize that I typically don't buy anything at regular prices, and I

don't buy at places such as Whole Foods.

What I can afford is careful supermaket shopping, plus some meats at Sam's Club

and Costco warehouse stores. I am a night person, so even if there is a

farmers' market near here, I'm typically not up in time to shop there.

At regular price, chickens are about $1.49 here (California grown, but

commercial quality).

Beef is way up there. We don't eat much red meat except if it's on sale. It's

typical for London broil to go on sale for less than $2.00 per pound--but that's

half the usual price. I like tri-tip roast (beef loin), which has gone up in

the last couple of years to about the $2.47 per pound level on sale.

Many cuts of pork go on sale for less than $2.00 per pound. Costco and Sam's

Club have good meat; what I buy there is mostly pork. I like their pork loin.

Their regular-sized roasts are about $2.68 per pound everyday; but if you buy a

whole long pork loin and cut it up yourself, you might get it for right around

$2.00 per pound.

> I don't think I've ever seen butter for $2/lb, even the store-brand salted

> stuff. Meat for $2/lb? Almost unheard of around here, unless you're lucky

> enough to find stuff on the last sale day that's been marked down. Yes,

> chicken for .49-.99/lb on sale sometimes, but it's rare.

There is an outlet store here called the 99 Cents Only Store. When they have

Danish Creamery Butter in stock, you can get an 8-ounce package of it for 99

cents (actually they raised their prices to a dollar), hence butter for $2.00

per pound. Typical commercial butter prices here are $3.50 to $5.00 per pound,

but I either to go this cheap store, or find it on sale and freeze it.

Some of the house brand butters are acceptable, even Wal-Mart. It's not as good

as the raw butter Organic Pastures sells ($10.00 per pound), but it's also far

less expensive.

> But honestly, after watching Food, Inc, I can't bring myself to buy

> commercially raised animal products anymore, which is driving our household

> food budget WAY up.

I wish I could afford that stuff; but not right now. I've got debts to pay off,

and maybe after that I will at least try some grass-fed meat.

We're anticipating moving to Kingman, Arizona next year. There are some

ranchers there where I can buy various meats directly from the producer... so

far I've located one rancher who raises chickens, goats, and sheep. He also

sells eggs.

Right now, for eggs, I get reasonably good ones at Trader Joe's; their

extra-large ones are only $1.49 per dozen, and their jumbo ones are $1.79. I

also get acceptable commercial eggs at Sam's and Costco.

I have occasionally bought locally-produced eggs from a feed store for $3.00 per

dozen.

> I buy beef by the side, farmer's market produce, farm

> fresh eggs, but even as the ultimate penny pincher, this program is going to

> be more expensive than buying packaged foods. I've been converting my two

> youngest over, and since cutting out grains and fruit, they've been eating a

> lot more meat. I've gone through 30 lbs of ground beef in a month! I told

> hubby I'm not sure we can afford to get healthy.

Well, maybe someday we will be able to afford sides of grass-fed beef; I'd sure

like to try some. In the meantime, I've listed what I do to keep us fed

decently as of now.

Unfortunately, I have to be this hardline about it. A few years back, I got a

30% pay cut; in my industry, medical transcription, wages have been going down.

While I didn't lose my job, it was a major gut shot, as none of my bills went

down--in fact, some of them went up. Those debts are slowly getting paid off.

Wish we could afford to flee California now, but we're in a holding pattern now.

Pam Maltzman

August 25, 2010

>

> Hi, :

>

> > Wow Pam, you're very fortunate to have such reasonable prices at the grocery

> > store! Where do you live (generally speaking)?

>

> I'm in Lancaster, California, up in the high desert about 60 miles north of

Los Angeles.

>

> I want to emphasize that I typically don't buy anything at regular prices, and

I don't buy at places such as Whole Foods.

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Pam,

Just wanted to chime in and say you are a very wise and savvy consumer. Your

practicality is very refreshing and its in sync with these current hard times

experienced by many.

You mentioned a lot of good ideas and I for one, utilize a few of them myself.

I hear ya on all counts and relate.

The idea of buying Organic foods is nice, however unnecessary to achieving or

maintaining one's health. Way too much hype and fear-mongering from various

credible and non-credible avenues in this regard.

Oh yes, and thanks for sharing your approximate location of where you reside.

That was nice. Now, if you could give me the longitude and latitude so I can

triangulate my satellite to get a bead on ya, that be great ....

Thanks in advance :]

With Appreciation

Ed

group moderator

August 25, 2010

Hi, Ed:

Thanks for the kind words. They are much appreciated.

I'm not a native Californian. Am originally from Michigan, grew up in Florida.

Since being out on my own, I have also lived in Tennessee, Colorado, and

Florida. In southern California, I have lived in several different places down

in the L.A. basin.

In all these places, I could find bargains if I figured out where to look,

starting with the local weekly food ads. The meats I mention at low

prices--those were mostly loss leaders. If there is no limit on how many

chickens they'll allow me to buy, I might get a little crazy and get a bunch.

Sometimes I'm really lucky and I'll find three different kinds of meat on sale

(chickens, pork, and beef).

Sometimes whole salmon are on sale within my budget limits (what a treat!), and

I'll buy some. My guy doesn't like salmon, so if I bake a big piece of it, I

share it with the cats over a couple of days. The smell of baking salmon

attracts the cats down to the kitchen.

One of our newer chain stores, WinCo Foods, does not advertise as a rule. So...

although they are open 24 hours, I don't buy most of my meat there, unless I run

across some marked-down items. But I get some produce there, some canned goods,

sometimes milk (for my sig. other) and butter, and laundry and dishwasher soap.

Plus ice when I need it (our ice maker is not working). These are items which I

know from experience are cheaper there than elsewhere, sometimes by a large

amount.

Costco and Sam's Club also don't advertise very much (not weekly ads, at any

rate).

The regular supermarket chains around here, however, do advertise every week,

and I buy my meats according to what's on sale.

Sometimes I find unadvertised specials, but mostly I know in advance what I'm

going to get. If I have some extra money that day, I might stock up.

When we get to Arizona next year (taking our jobs with us), we'll be saving a

lot of money on rent and utilities (so we could then afford to spend a bit more

on food), and I plan to buy at least some food from farmer's markets and the

farmers/ranchers themselves where possible. But there's a reason why Whole

Foods is nicknamed " Whole Paycheck " by the people I know who shop there.

I know that for many people, this economy is tanking, and no one's job is

" safe. " But I think that even harder times might be coming, and I'm going to be

pretty careful with money for the rest of my life.

Well, thanks again for your kind words, Ed. They are much appreciated. Also

thanks again for the advice WRT Boswellia.

Well, folks, happy shopping! And don't pay full price if you don't have to!

Pam Maltzman

> >

> > Hi, :

> >

> > > Wow Pam, you're very fortunate to have such reasonable prices at the

grocery

> > > store! Where do you live (generally speaking)?

> >

> > I'm in Lancaster, California, up in the high desert about 60 miles north of

Los Angeles.

> >

> > I want to emphasize that I typically don't buy anything at regular prices,

and I don't buy at places such as Whole Foods.

>

> @@ Snip

>

> @@ Hi Pam,

>

> Just wanted to chime in and say you are a very wise and savvy consumer. Your

practicality is very refreshing and its in sync with these current hard times

experienced by many.

>

> You mentioned a lot of good ideas and I for one, utilize a few of them myself.

I hear ya on all counts and relate.

>

> The idea of buying Organic foods is nice, however unnecessary to achieving or

maintaining one's health. Way too much hype and fear-mongering from various

credible and non-credible avenues in this regard.

>

> Oh yes, and thanks for sharing your approximate location of where you reside.

That was nice. Now, if you could give me the longitude and latitude so I can

triangulate my satellite to get a bead on ya, that be great ....

>

> Thanks in advance :]

>

> With Appreciation

> Ed

> group moderator

>

August 26, 2010

Hi,

Regarding the high cost of food and supplements, here is a web site that has

saved my thousands of dollars over the years.

Try going to www.vitacost.com to order coconut oil and other supplements as well

as some foods and personal products. 54oz Nutiva Coconut Oil is only $20.49. The

NSI brand which is probably Nutiva in generic packaging is $19.99 for 54 ounces.

You can usually get free shipping on orders over $79.00 and there are also

coupons available on line that offer 5-10% off. They are a great company to deal

with.

This source could make a huge difference in your budget.

Bob

August 26, 2010

>

> The idea of buying Organic foods is nice, however unnecessary to achieving or

maintaining one's health. Way too much hype and fear-mongering from various

credible and non-credible avenues in this regard.

>

What is the non-credible hype you talk about? I realize organic may not be

" necessary " for health, but I think it would be responsible of people to come to

grips with the fact the earth is quite literally on its last legs, and that the

heavy use of pesticide/herbicide, and of fossil fuel for fertilizer over the

past 60 years has been a large culprit in the matter.

We have to stop using those poisons, as Bee rightly calls them, or else we're

screwed.

So, I don't understand what you mean by hype.. please elaborate?

Nothing good comes from pesticide-fed crops. It's harmful for all---the soil,

the animals living in proximity, the run-off into the oceans that have created

massive dead-zones, and then the humans who eat the food. Non-organic foods

should be avoided at all costs.

Warmly,

Cara

August 27, 2010

just my 2 cents--

taryn mentioned cleaning and body care products. these are so expensive,

especially organic! i use baking soda to clean almost everything in my home

(incl. laundry) and on myself, and vinegar or lemon for other home cleaning

jobs.

i am unemployed and living off savings, and although it really worries me to

spend so much money on food when i can't find a job, i just can't bring myself

to support factory farms, especially for meat. i pretty much only buy

food--nothing non-essential. no entertainment, no clothes, etc. but i realize

everyone has to make their own choices for quality of food based on what they

can afford. i sympathize with all those struggling...

samantha

August 27, 2010

> >

> > The idea of buying Organic foods is nice, however unnecessary to achieving

or maintaining one's health. Way too much hype and fear-mongering from various

credible and non-credible avenues in this regard.

> >

>

> What is the non-credible hype you talk about? I realize organic may not be

" necessary " for health, but I think it would be responsible of people to come to

grips with the fact the earth is quite literally on its last legs, and that the

heavy use of pesticide/herbicide, and of fossil fuel for fertilizer over the

past 60 years has been a large culprit in the matter.

> We have to stop using those poisons, as Bee rightly calls them, or else we're

screwed.

>

> So, I don't understand what you mean by hype.. please elaborate?

> Nothing good comes from pesticide-fed crops. It's harmful for all---the soil,

the animals living in proximity, the run-off into the oceans that have created

massive dead-zones, and then the humans who eat the food. Non-organic foods

should be avoided at all costs.

> Warmly,

> Cara

>

@@ Hi Cara,

I agree with mostly what you stipulated, to a degree.

However, if people consume a healthy diet similar to this program which

minimizes or eliminates processed foods and leaves only Meat, Vegetables and

perhaps some fruit( 2 @ most/day preferably depending on health), then one

should be able to maintain their health. Of course, in conjunction with an

overall healthy lifestyle.

In referenced to the above, a person would not necessarily need to consume

organic food because their body would be still acquiring the necessary nutrients

from non-organic food to detoxify pesticides, herbicides and other toxins.

Animals detoxify toxins like us as well.

Granted, Meat that is organic and grass-fed will be more nutrient dense than

meat that is not. However, you are not consuming the soy or the corn or the

pesticides that the cow / animal consumed. Since

most animals are butchered before they become that ill, so yes their bodies are

still detoxifying. If their bodies weren't detoxifying they would be dead

already, just like we would.

Non-organic Vegetables and fruits may not be as nutrient dense as organic , but

they still provide some usable nutrients in them.

Meat and fat, regardless organic or not, are some of the best detoxifiers and

the natural animals fats are the best antioxidants one can acquire.

Cara, since we already agree, organic may not be " necessary " for health , then

I'm certain you will be able to relate to all of what I have stated in the

aforementioned explanation for the reason of the term " hype " .

Cara, for some peace of mind, check out this well written article below,

definitely worth a review.

[Exposing the Myths, Dangers, and Lies About Organic Food ]

http://www.biblelife.org/organic.htm

In regards to the credible and non-credible I base on mainstream standards.

Example, alternative Medicine maybe considered non-credible , whereas

Conventional Medicine is considered credible by the mainstream.

The credible terms are a matter of perspective, so I try not to get too caught

up. I decide for myself by seeking out the common denominators of the avenues

of information I'm enthusiastic in pursuing. The constant denominators are

logically my answers.

Lastly, the gloom and doom in general is perhaps understandable.

Although, The future is uncertain, that I'm sure, but where we go from here,

.....

Is up to us!

In Solidarity,

Ed

group moderator

August 28, 2010

I just have to chime in here and ask: What makes you think that the earth is

" quite literally on its last legs " ?

As far as I can tell, this old mudball has been here for millions of years, and

is likely to be here millions of years from now--long after all of us are gone

and forgotten.

I don't think that there ever was a time when people lived a totally pristine

life with no poisons at all.

We have to learn to pick and choose what we eat, etc.--but the Garden of Eden,

as far as I can tell, is a fairy tale, not literal reality.

Industrialization has its side effects and problems, but would you rather be

without its benefits? Would you rather not have a computer by which to gain

access to the internet?

Yes, we on this list have health problems which we are attempting to deal with,

with the help of Bee's diet... but IMO the scaremongering is a bit over the top.

Pam Maltzman

> What is the non-credible hype you talk about? I realize organic may not be

" necessary " for health, but I think it would be responsible of people to come to

grips with the fact the earth is quite literally on its last legs, and that the

heavy use of pesticide/herbicide, and of fossil fuel for fertilizer over the

past 60 years has been a large culprit in the matter.

> We have to stop using those poisons, as Bee rightly calls them, or else we're

screwed.

August 28, 2010

i personally choose to support only organic and sustainable farmers. we in no

way can afford it right now but what my kids put in their mouths matters to me.

i don't think it's necessary to take that 'chance' and screw up what nature

intended. you don't find it important to keep this place as toxic free as

possible? huh. honestly i'd rather forget industrialization and go back to

simple times, the computer would be easy for me to leave behind in exchange for

a 'pristine' home. <snip>

> > What is the non-credible hype you talk about? I realize organic may not be

" necessary " for health, but I think it would be responsible of people to come to

grips with the fact the earth is quite literally on its last legs, and that the

heavy use of pesticide/herbicide, and of fossil fuel for fertilizer over the

past 60 years has been a large culprit in the matter.

> > We have to stop using those poisons, as Bee rightly calls them, or else

we're screwed.

August 28, 2010

Well, your " as far as I can tell " is extremely unconvincing... As far as I can

tell in my backyard things look fine too. But I also understand I have to look

at it from a larger perspective.

These are some reasons why the earth's health is in trouble, and why we should

all be alarmed:

1. Agriculture. Our topsoil is almost gone. Agriculture and the

industrialization of our land into big monocrops of corn, wheat, etc has

destroyed 90% of our soil and we ARE on our last 'legs' of soil. We started with

several meters. There is now and inch or so. I just read a book about this

subject called 'The Vegetarian Myth' by Lierre Kieth, she goes way into depth

about it.

2. Population growth. We reached human carrying-capacity in the 1800s. Enough

said. There are always, always serious repercussions at some point for ANY

species that has ever gone over its carrying capacity on earth. Any study of the

earth's history and this can be confirmed.

3. Global Warming. The use of fossil fuel has dually eaten away at the ozone as

well as caused so much warming in conjunction that the polar icecaps are

currently melting at an incredible rate and sea level is rising all over the

globe.

Not to mention in a very short time we will be out of these fossil fuels that we

are completely dependent on, and then what?

4. Biodepletion. The mass extinction of other species. The earth is turning into

one big human playground. That is catastrophic in it's own right simply because

what makes earth, EARTH is her biodiversity and support of all forms of life.

And I could go on and on! Deforestation-- Water shortages--- Mass poverty on a

scale larger than ever before. Just because YOU don't see the poverty, lost

forests and lost ozone layer doesn't mean it isn't there.

I understand our health is important. But for everything we take from the earth,

for our health, for ourselves, it would be nice if we could in return remember

the HEALTH of our Earth is also indicative of our own health. We're inseparable,

whether we want to be or not.

To me, organic is a non-issue. Of course it should be Organic. It HAS TO BE

Organic.

Warmly,

Cara

>

> I just have to chime in here and ask: What makes you think that the earth is

" quite literally on its last legs " ?

>

> As far as I can tell, this old mudball has been here for millions of years,

and is likely to be here millions of years from now--long after all of us are

gone and forgotten.

>

> I don't think that there ever was a time when people lived a totally pristine

life with no poisons at all.

>

> We have to learn to pick and choose what we eat, etc.--but the Garden of Eden,

as far as I can tell, is a fairy tale, not literal reality.

>

> Industrialization has its side effects and problems, but would you rather be

without its benefits? Would you rather not have a computer by which to gain

access to the internet?

>

> Yes, we on this list have health problems which we are attempting to deal

with, with the help of Bee's diet... but IMO the scaremongering is a bit over

the top.

> Pam Maltzman

August 28, 2010

Very well stated, Cara, I couldn't agree more.

Dana B.

> >

> > I just have to chime in here and ask: What makes you think that the earth

is " quite literally on its last legs " ?

> >

> > As far as I can tell, this old mudball has been here for millions of years,

and is likely to be here millions of years from now--long after all of us are

gone and forgotten.

> >

> > I don't think that there ever was a time when people lived a totally

pristine life with no poisons at all.

> >

> > We have to learn to pick and choose what we eat, etc.--but the Garden of

Eden, as far as I can tell, is a fairy tale, not literal reality.

> >

> > Industrialization has its side effects and problems, but would you rather be

without its benefits? Would you rather not have a computer by which to gain

access to the internet?

> >

> > Yes, we on this list have health problems which we are attempting to deal

with, with the help of Bee's diet... but IMO the scaremongering is a bit over

the top.

>

> > Pam Maltzman

>

August 28, 2010

<snip>

> 3. Global Warming. The use of fossil fuel has dually eaten away at the ozone

as well as caused so much warming in conjunction that the polar icecaps are

currently melting at an incredible rate and sea level is rising all over the

globe. Not to mention in a very short time we will be out of these fossil fuels

that we are completely dependent on, and then what?

+++Hi Cara. I do not agree with the Global Warming scare/tactics, since this

planet has gone through many periods of warming and cooling as needed in order

to detoxify itself!

>

<snip> To me, organic is a non-issue. Of course it should be Organic. It HAS TO

BE Organic.

+++Organic is not the same in every country because standards vary a great deal.

Organic foods from some countries do contain pesticides. If you buy organic buy

from countries that do have high standards.

The only truly healthy source of food is " certified organic " which is a highly

regulated term in the US, Canada, and some countries that have high " certified

organic " standards.

Bee

August 28, 2010

Hi Steph,

Food may be expensive but medical bills is more expensive....take it from

someone who knows.....after spending probably $100,000 in my life trying to get

well. The cost of the diet is a drop in the bucket.

You don't have to eat to be well when your young to prevent youself from getting

worse later, it's a choice. You can live your young life then later pay the

price like many of us have.

The medical profession cannot diagnose Candida which turns into all kinds of

body dysfunctions as it progressivly gets worse. Since Candida mimics so many

disorders the medical profession will send you on a wild goose chase on your

dollar with no answers at the end.

You don't have to spend huge money on this diet....just spend money on the most

important part....Coconut oil & vitamins....you can buy a larger piece of meat

like a roast and use it for several days or freeze some for another day. The

same with a whole chicken. Only buy the cuts of meat that are on sale at your

grocery store or buy hamburger. There are many options for cutting costs if you

really want to be well. Much to think about. Been there....Gail (Curlygirl)