Re: Autism Speaks (warning kind of a rant)

[Guest guest]

maurice wrote: " ... <snip> ... What happens when you care but you

simply agree with all that has been posted + have nothing new to say?

It's really difficult to think of a snappy way to say that, and it can

feel rude to post a one-word acknowledgement. Don't take it as uncaring

if we have no new clever thoughts to add to the topic ... <snip> ... "

True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

freedoms and very possibly worse?

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

ok so Pragmatics.

Science and psychology are ignoring the biological facts (or they know

them and are using them to their advantage)

1)We don't like fighting and prefer reasoning

2)Different brain structure can't be cured

3)Some adults and children show sensetivity to the poisioning of their

environment

4)Money is going into reasearch not people

5)We don't need cures; we need better (oh government, schools, training)

6)Finger pointing as the us vs them mentality isn't helpful, and we

don't need well meaning people to describe our suffering(our suffering

occcurs when people aren't clear or true usually this is at the hands

of opressive individuals or well meaning do gooders)

7) AS is not a cute project but it can be used in an effective way,

many of us are capable of way more than society currently allows

in a sense we are a people a culture and we have depth of character,

loyality, many can understand and keep to long term goals. We

understand that the future is sown today

This is my personal opinion but the misunderstanding comes from not

getting what the more affected children need. wether it is removal of

toxins or different modes of teaching or both. visual learning,

allowing perseveration and using it(as long as it is not violent or

abusive) there should be intensive training WITH families to help them

help themselves not a push to break up a family because a child doesn't

meet expectations. People should strive to live in their own homes and

that is what these groups should strive for.

Keeping the family together. My own an example. I was told husbands

don't stay when this happens they leave (that expectation and it's

silent approval(by that expectation) destroyed our family. We were

getting NT counceling in the home. WE needed someone with experience.

Both myself and my ex were stretched beyond our abilities at the hands

of people that meant well. In many areas they helped in many they

created the mess that was my life for 2+ years. If someone had just

allowed me the knowledge instead of my having to hunt and peck. If I

didn't have to fight everyone in my family and the professionals to

help my child, I might have had something left over for a marriage. I

had to act because no one was.

Everything is not Autism. It is like saying everyone that is blonde is

a Nazi or everyone with brown hair is a jew and they should be treated

that way. Medical issues are medical, cognitive ones are cognition.

If one's vision is poor ABA therapy won't get them to see better. If a

child has a toothache and is non-verbal. Self abuse becomes language.

(all language isn't verbal but compassion is a great translator) Autism

does speak BUT Autism Speaks doesn't listen. They accept the imposed

limits of thousands of children and force them into a life of need.

Start the Children's voice, or People Listen

WE Do understand body language our feeling of the young woman on U-tube

proved that. we felt her we saw her movements. PEOPLE LIE even when

they say yes and exude yes they want you to understand they mean no.

They lie to themselves. I read body language, and tone of voice better

than faces, because so many emotions are mixed (several at once)

Smug That is a doozy. satisfaction at having bested another. sounds

loaded to me but it is not enough. Is the intention to prove

intelligence, bully, thrill that finally truth is seen. All three is

is more petty and creul. So much in one face. I have to know and

watch people and determine them prior to facial expression because that

is least reliable. Watch hands, tone of voice, you get a feel for a

person. faces Bah. Sometimes i mess up my own facial expressions.

fear is usually what one might see. i am waiting for the outcome. I

get insulted easily because other people don't even know how well i

understood. It is like looking into a person's head and seeing what

they are trying to hide. but I do see it because I read them like I

read books.

I approach people warily, because sometimes they don't even know what

they are doing. I am sure if you askes Autism speaks they would say

they care and genuinely want to help. They don't see themselves

[Guest guest]

>>

> True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> freedoms and very possibly worse?

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering I'm

not in America, though.

[Guest guest]

>>

> True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> freedoms and very possibly worse?

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering I'm

not in America, though.

[Guest guest]

>>

> True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> freedoms and very possibly worse?

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering I'm

not in America, though.

[Guest guest]

Personally I think Mimi came up with a really good postive Idea,

start our own group, we could make it international, and therefor

fight Autism Speaks, from an international basis, rather,that only

fighting them from America. I welcome the suport of our brother and

sisters from other lands. We have our own unity our own bond we are

all on the Autistic spectrum and therefor are our own family in a

way. I have never really felt understood before I joined this

forum. I never felt listened to or really heard. Here I am with

like people so the do hear me and understand me. There is more

knowledge and more facts in our Files alone than many years of

reasearch will be able to provide for Autism Speaks. We just have to

find a way to get it out to other people and to finance it. To gain

monitary and govermental support, if we could get companies and

bigger names involved we might actually have something here.

Beth

> >>

> > True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> > freedoms and very possibly worse?

> >

> > Raven

> > Co-Administrator

> >

>

> Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering

I'm

> not in America, though.

>

[Guest guest]

Personally I think Mimi came up with a really good postive Idea,

start our own group, we could make it international, and therefor

fight Autism Speaks, from an international basis, rather,that only

fighting them from America. I welcome the suport of our brother and

sisters from other lands. We have our own unity our own bond we are

all on the Autistic spectrum and therefor are our own family in a

way. I have never really felt understood before I joined this

forum. I never felt listened to or really heard. Here I am with

like people so the do hear me and understand me. There is more

knowledge and more facts in our Files alone than many years of

reasearch will be able to provide for Autism Speaks. We just have to

find a way to get it out to other people and to finance it. To gain

monitary and govermental support, if we could get companies and

bigger names involved we might actually have something here.

Beth

> >>

> > True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> > freedoms and very possibly worse?

> >

> > Raven

> > Co-Administrator

> >

>

> Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering

I'm

> not in America, though.

>

[Guest guest]

Personally I think Mimi came up with a really good postive Idea,

start our own group, we could make it international, and therefor

fight Autism Speaks, from an international basis, rather,that only

fighting them from America. I welcome the suport of our brother and

sisters from other lands. We have our own unity our own bond we are

all on the Autistic spectrum and therefor are our own family in a

way. I have never really felt understood before I joined this

forum. I never felt listened to or really heard. Here I am with

like people so the do hear me and understand me. There is more

knowledge and more facts in our Files alone than many years of

reasearch will be able to provide for Autism Speaks. We just have to

find a way to get it out to other people and to finance it. To gain

monitary and govermental support, if we could get companies and

bigger names involved we might actually have something here.

Beth

> >>

> > True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> > freedoms and very possibly worse?

> >

> > Raven

> > Co-Administrator

> >

>

> Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering

I'm

> not in America, though.

>

[Guest guest]

" Recently someone suggested estate planning should he end up in a

group home GROUP HOME he is 6. That decision wouldn't even come

until 14. At 6 people are thinking Autism means group home (nice

huh??) That is what makes the cure idea pop into people heads "

I've had similar happen when my son was even younger than 6, some

people saying things like ', you might have to accept putting

your son in care' and other such stupid horrifying things and they

usually thought they were being kind, compassionate and caring saying

these types of things!

>

> This group is misguided and missing the point. As Raven has stated

> Autism is Autism. What would be infinitely more useful would be to

> spend these gobs of money teaching children. And not how to be NT

> but what it means when other people are. Age approite of course.

> Like learning another language or cultute. Survival skills, how to

> deal with NT's that say they are compassionate. I am sure we could

> compile a list. even courses on honing your perseveration. like

> Harry Potters wizard school. wizards and muggles. (I always go

for

> the fantasy) I know. The point is none of these groups are

pragmatic

> and none of the money gets to the families. It is a wordy form of

> snake oil that employs a whole bunch of people that divert money

from

> actual children. How about a program to train parents to be

various

> specialists (they like us in the dark because that controls us) I

> don't personally have anything to do with any of the named groups.

i

> went to something at my local ARC (sensory GYM) It was 20 ASD

> children in a gymnastics gym with no direction one OT and a bunch

of

> parents. No skill building, no order and it was 2 hours long.

Well

> I am the one who didn't make it through sensory gym, (as my senses

> were toast) All the places that might actually work are so

expensive

> that they are only self pay any no organization defreays their

cost.

> Like Aspergers social groups for children. In the group children

> interact as we do online. They talk about being different and how

to

> engage with the NT's(pragmatic) We can't go but I keep getting

> promised Um it is 60-90$ an hour. So far Ravi is a bit young to

> make the cost reasonable.

>

> I would like to stop getting so much help that isn't helpful. All

> the funds that I used to have access to do what would benefit Ravi

> directly have been diverted into these blanket programs. Children

> are kidnapped by the system so that they can be used as the next

> statistic. It is like seeing aliens

>

> misinformation, lies, subterfuge. I think the only way to have a

> chance is for funds to go directly to Families (or even directly

from

> request by family to chosen provider) No misappropriation of funds

> no wishy washy programs, no national campaigns. No more well

> intentioned ninny trying to turn children NT. All I have ever

wanted

> was functionality. I want our children to have the skills to

> survive, and the oppertunity for a measure of happiness. I don't

> want any doors shut in his face. Choice, all people should have

the

> ability to choose and be given data to explain what can be chosen.

>

> Autism SpeaKS and the like are caves of secrecery. no one can ever

> be helped, only money generated that makes other people feel better

> about being bullies. Oh that poor child. Because if they helped

the

> children and gave them the tools they where would all the sufferers

> of Autism go?? How could NT's feel helpful and compassionate

>

> I didn't post because it is suce a near pain. Denial of true help

in

> order to keep our children from succeeding and life. As you know

> Ravi rides a crest (we walk an edge in his ability to function)

One

> misstep and Ravi's gap may widen. I have to decide what to place

my

> effort in (for his sake) what to spend money on or sign up for. I

> have to keep him healthy becasue as long as he is healthy he can

> participate at school I can sign up and request programs. i have

to

> always push foward-- so that I can make a case and keep Ravi fresh

in

> the teachers minds. If I don't point out progress they start to

rely

> on his DX for his ability level. Recently someone suggested estate

> planning should he end up in a group home GROUP HOME he is 6. That

> decision wouldn't even come until 14. At 6 people are thinking

> Autism means group home (nice huh??) That is what makes the cure

idea

> pop into people heads

>

> The idea of years of work and dedication sound too tough.

> (compassion) remember all the compassion. People like things that

> are weak and lowly. It is like telling a group of people that you

> have been a victim of rape. (no one speaks) the room is hushed,

> people actually leave, no one will talk about it. Reality is

> reality (I have had the same reaction when i say my son is

autistic)

>

> It is depressing because the gap is so wide. i think we have to

show

> our own compassion, we have to some way in a non-agressive way

bring

> the truth out. Brain structure, and potential. I know Tom and

Raven

> do all they can. I keep thinking someone has to be like Jesus

mixed

> with Mother and Gandi. Commanding, gentle, pragmatic,

driven,

> a gentle debator that leaves the opponant believing they changed

> their mind on their own. We cry out, but we must be explained by a

> moses(without having to drive out to the desert for 40 years)

>

> I wish no plagues nor to be stopped by any pharohs. it is like

> having to bow down to graven images now that i think about it, and

> wasn't Jesus angry with his own kinds ways. wow all sounds

biblical

> to me. So if anyone has Moses/Jesus number in their cell??

>

> mimi

>

[Guest guest]

I remember that, maurice. Fsct of the matter is, AUTISM SPEAKS has

joined forces with CURE AUTISM NOW and the NATIONAL ALLIANCE for AUTISM

RESEACH (NAAR). There is AUTISM SPEAKS: CANADA as well as AUTISM

SPEAKS: UK. All this has been done in just over two years since AUTISM

SPEAKS first began. The fact that it is growing so quickly and gaining

such huge momentum while pushing for a cure and hoping to erase

autistics from future history is appalling and disconcerting to say the

least.

I believe that appropriate education regarding what autism is, how one

is born autistic, et al is most likely the best way to reach people.

In removing the fear of Autism from people's minds, they are then more

able to open their hearts to the wonderful diversity of a world with

ASD and non-ASD people in it.

Raven

Co-Administrator

> >>

> > True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

> > freedoms and very possibly worse?

> >

> > Raven

> > Co-Administrator

> >

>

> Okay, so I welcome hearing about any proposed action. Remembering I'm

> not in America, though.

>

[Guest guest]

mimi wrote: " Recently someone suggested estate planning should he end

up in a group home GROUP HOME he is 6. That decision wouldn't even

come until 14. At 6 people are thinking Autism means group home (nice

huh??) That is what makes the cure idea pop into people heads "

responded: " I've had similar happen when my son was even younger

than 6, some people saying things like ', you might have to accept

putting your son in care' and other such stupid horrifying things and

they usually thought they were being kind, compassionate and caring

saying these types of things! "

Cub was only 2 when it was strongly recommended that I consider

surrendering him to the state because he would never (according to

these learned people) function in society and he would only destroy my

life if I insisted on keeping him at home.

We all know what came of THAT prediction! LOL.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

>

> There is AUTISM SPEAKS: CANADA as well as AUTISM

> SPEAKS: UK.

While my apologies for not having heard of these, it must also be a

good sign - that they aren't at all prominent among the public, only

among doctors. I will inform my local friends of it. We already know

we got to keep strong against doctors.

All online groups and real-life local groups that believe this, could

try to form a contact list with each other? So they can all respond

to dangers. I realise I would never have been first to come up with a

thought like this. I had a feeling many folks here including Tom were

really discouraged and jaded about any thoughts of forming groups,

when so many have already gone wrong at a personal level. Only now

that others have talked of groups and apparently got as keen

response, am I seeing positive reason to throw in a thought about it.

> I believe that appropriate education regarding what autism is, how

one

> is born autistic, et al is most likely the best way to reach

people.

This happens on a local scale in the places where it gets a good

hearing. It's hard to get the public platform needed to expand scale.

[Guest guest]

I've been giving this some thought and processing.

Originally when first posted (a while back) I commented I would like

to give 'Autism Speaks' a piece of my mind - I'd certainly like to

show them that yes autism does have a voice and is quite capable of

speaking and not having someone else assume what I or my son wants or

countless others.

In regards to this group, there are many members; I do understand

that not all participate, but if every member of this group wrote a

letter/email to 'Autism Speaks' that would be quite a lot of

email/letters.

Writing to Autism Speaks is certainly something I am considering

doing, although I must admit I suspect such will fall on deaf ears;

as I have a sneaky suspicion although the group claim to speak on the

behalf of others I suspect they aren't too good at listening.

Also I have to pick my battles wisely and am still in process of

fighting Social Services here and also involved in trying to get

services for those on the autism spectrum locally.

I do certainly think that 'Autism Speaks' needs speaking out agaisnt

and people need to be aware that they are not accurately representing

those on the autism spectrum - there audacity to speak on the behalf

of others (as well as other things) has me very angry.

> >

> > There is AUTISM SPEAKS: CANADA as well as AUTISM

> > SPEAKS: UK.

>

> While my apologies for not having heard of these, it must also be a

> good sign - that they aren't at all prominent among the public,

only

> among doctors. I will inform my local friends of it. We already

know

> we got to keep strong against doctors.

>

> All online groups and real-life local groups that believe this,

could

> try to form a contact list with each other? So they can all respond

> to dangers. I realise I would never have been first to come up with

a

> thought like this. I had a feeling many folks here including Tom

were

> really discouraged and jaded about any thoughts of forming groups,

> when so many have already gone wrong at a personal level. Only now

> that others have talked of groups and apparently got as keen

> response, am I seeing positive reason to throw in a thought about

it.

>

> > I believe that appropriate education regarding what autism is,

how

> one

> > is born autistic, et al is most likely the best way to reach

> people.

> This happens on a local scale in the places where it gets a good

> hearing. It's hard to get the public platform needed to expand

scale.

>

[Guest guest]

It was 8 Jun 2007, when ravenmagic2003 commented:

> wrote: " Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply so I'm

> apathetic? "

>

> Question: If you are so incensed that the question regarding apathy

> and responding to the AUTISM SPEAKS post, why don't you participate

> more actively in this forum? Start a thread on something that matters

> intently to you and then grow your thread. We have a wonderful membership

> with a great wealth of knowledge that traverses a number of topics.

I became a member this group about a day ago.

Any other stupid questions? Or are you one of those people who approve of

bullying strangers?

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It was 8 Jun 2007, when beth sullivan commented:

> that kind of thinking is what destroyed Germany, that kind of

> thinking has created enemies of the natives of the north America. Well

> other people can care, I don't have the time for that. If you read what

And you didnt' read my question. I have been a member of this group for

two days (lately), and I'm all of a sudden declared .... oh, fuck this,

now I know why I dropped this idiotic group the first time.

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I read all that. I read all that when it first came up -- except for the

quote from the Catholic priest from after the Second World War.

TROLL!!!!!!!!!

I reiterate my first coment, Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply

TO THESE POSTS so I'm apathetic?

Thank you so much, and thank the horse you read in on, too.

It was 8 Jun 2007, when ravenmagic2003 commented:

> wrote: " Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply [to the

> AUTISM SPEAKS posts] so I'm apathetic? "

>

> Here's a little something to read to help you determine if you are

> apathetic in your lack of reaction to the forces that would eradicate

> Autistics from this world.

>

> " A time comes when silence is betrayal. The truth of these words is

> beyond doubt but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one.

> Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume

> the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war.

> Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the

> apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding

> world. Moreover when the issues at hand seem as perplexed as they often do

> in the case of this dreadful conflict we are always on the verge of being

> mesmerized by uncertainty; but we must move on. "

>

> - Rev. Luther King (4 April 1967) at a meeting of Clergy and

> Laity Concerned at Riverside Church in New York City

>

> It seems so very apropos when speaking of the " war " that organizations like

> AUTISM SPEAKS wages on Autistics and the manner in which Autistics seem to

> react to such attacks.

>

> If you are still asking if you are apathetic regarding this situation,

> perhaps this additional quote will help you decide for yourself if you

> should be moved to action:

>

> First they came for the Communists,

> and I didn't speak up,

> because I wasn't a Communist.

> Then they came for the Jews,

> and I didn't speak up,

> because I wasn't a Jew.

> Then they came for the Catholics,

> and I didn't speak up,

> because I was a Protestant.

> Then they came for me,

> and by that time there was no one

> left to speak up for me.

>

> by Rev. Niemoller, 1945

>

> wrote: " Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply [to the

> AUTISM SPEAKS posts] so I'm apathetic? "

>

> Maybe it has more to do with the lack of action against what is revealed in

> the posts than it has to do with actually answering the posts. Then again,

> if one does not stand up for one's freedoms, one does not have the right to

> argue that their rights were unlawfully stolen from him. Apathy granted

> permission to have those rights stolen.

>

> Raven

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote: " I read all that. I read all that when it first came

up -- except for the quote from the Catholic priest from after the

Second World War ... <snip> ... "

Neimoller was a Protestant pastor and not a Catholic one. Is there a

reason you did not want to read something written by someone you had

mistaken for a Catholic? Just asking.

wrote: " TROLL!!!!!!!!! "

Debates and discussions do not require personal attacks.

wrote: " ... <snip> ... I reiterate my first coment, Well

excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply TO THESE POSTS so I'm

apathetic? ... <snip> ... "

People have responded to your previous post regarding that particular

question. Only you can answer the question as to whether you are

apathetic. Beth posted the original post and she is entitled to her

feelings on the topic and was directed at the membership in general

so why you would take it personally is surprising.

wrote: " ... <snip> ... Thank you so much, and thank the

horse you read in on, too ... <snip> ... "

You're welcome and again, there's no reason lead with personal

attacks.

Raven

[Guest guest]

Beth wrote: " that kind of thinking is what destroyed Germany,

that kind of thinking has created enemies of the natives of the

north America. Well, other people can care, I don't have the time

for that. If you read what ... <snip> ... "

responded: " And you didnt' read my question. I have been a

member of this group for two days (lately), and I'm all of a sudden

declared .... oh, fuck this, now I know why I dropped this idiotic

group the first time ... <snip> ... "

Firstly, there is no reason for obscene or profane language or for

personal attacks against members, . Please do not use this sort

of language future posts.

Secondly, the fact that you were allowed to rejoin the group should

show you that we do not hold grudges and it would be appreciated if

you would not bring animosity and past grudges to this forum upon

your return.

Thirdly, if you have rejoined this group for the sole purpose of

causing dissent, it would be appreciated if you would begin to

participate in a more appropriate manner. Thank you.

Raven

[Guest guest]

wrote: " I became a member this group about a day ago. "

By your own words in a previous post yesterday, you stated that you

were previously a member of this group. You rejoined on May 29th of

this year which is hardly 'about a day ago.'

You have been a member in the past and you are a member now -- unless

you choose to unsubscribe again by your own hand.

By no stretch of the imagination are you an about 'one day old' new

member to this group and to imply that you are is misleading and false.

You are welcome to post respectfully in this forum. Thank you.

Raven

[Guest guest]

For those of you newbies, a little history.

The fellow who posts below and who has said " Well excuse the hell out

of me, I don't reply so I'm apathetic? " is a troll who drops in from

time to time.

Our general policy has been to give folks the benefit of the doubt for

a while in the hopes that they will eventually find peace and harmony

here. For some, as with this fellow, that doesn't seem to happen.

I am reading posts in the order they appear, and since this fellow has

quit again, I more likely than not will NOT respond to anything he has

written since he has no way to respond to anything I post.

After reading the ensuing posts, I will make an election to ban him or

keep his user ID open so as to allow him to rejoin. If I ban him, he

will never be able to post here again.

Tom

Administrator

Re: Re: Autism Speaks (warning kind of a rant)

It was 7 Jun 2007, when beth sullivan commented:

> I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so

well.

> I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society

that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the

lack of responce, I thought this gr oup of people really cared and the

only people that have responded have been two of the administrators.

Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply so I'm apathetic?

[Guest guest]

" I've had similar happen when my son was even younger than 6, some

people saying things like ', you might have to accept putting

your son in care' and other such stupid horrifying things and they

usually thought they were being kind, compassionate and caring saying

these types of things! "

I just want to point out something. People who say these things base

their opinions on their own ability to parent. If they judge according

to their own standards that they cannot raise a child such as yours,

and then tell you that you should possibly reconcile yourself that he

needs to be sent away, it is a backhanded admission that they are less

capable parents than you.

Here is where, as an Aspie, I would consider responding to their

statement with " Thanks for the honest compliment! " and appear crazy to

them because of the apparent non-sequitor.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" I had a feeling many folks here including Tom were really discouraged

and jaded about any thoughts of forming groups, when so many have

already gone wrong at a personal level. "

Actually my main issue is with You Know Who and their coalition. If the

rest of us formed a coalition, I might be inclined to get behind it,

but You Know Who pretty much has everyone on their side which

is: " Aspies to UN: We are a Minority and demand Minority Status! "

Aside from the fact that I cannot stand YKW's subterfuge and hijacking

of Wikipedia, I disagree with their methods and who they have

representing them. Research the personal lives of some of these people,

and should their progressive movement that comes under the scruitny of

the media, it will blast them out of the water and do us all more harm

than good.

The key thing would be to siphon off all the members of their coaliton

to a new one, but YKW would see this as a direct attack on them instead

of a new more practical and level-headed movement coalescing, and they

would jeopardize the entire movement for the sake of keeping YKW

intact.

They would torpedo anything that we could cobble together or die

trying. In recent years they almost lost their Wiki page over a bunch

of people who challenged them.

Their power comes of everyone telling me three years ago to keep my fat

mouth shut about the whole thing. I finally gave in to everyone's pleas

and shut up. Their power was small then but is big now.

And so now the biggest autistic political force in the world is driven

by disreputable people and what they are fighting for is laughed at by

the common public.

When I talk to people about autism, invariably Wrong Planet is

mentioned if the subject of online forums is brought up, and then many

of them say something along the lines of " I heard there was this really

stupid group out there that wants autistics to be declared a minority. "

Etc.

Autistics are only now beginning to understand what a mistake it was to

allow a select misguided few to mislead them, but they are too

disorganized to do anything about it, and all the fight has been sapped

from me. I've given that stuff up. So in regard to battling them,

everyone is on their own.

If people were too stupid to listen to me in the first place, it is not

my fault all this happened, but theirs. Let them clean up their own

mess.

Currently Raven and I are brewing some different avenues for autistics

to have a voice. Perhaps sooner or later you will all hear news of

this.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" Any other stupid questions? Or are you one of those people who approve

of bullying strangers? "

Based on this and similar posts, will be banned. This means

he will be incapable of re-joining the group at a future date.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tom, its nice to know we have you and the other

administrators out there in cyberland to keep us safe. Keep up the

good work.

Beth

>

> " Any other stupid questions? Or are you one of those people who

approve

> of bullying strangers? "

>

> Based on this and similar posts, will be banned. This

means

> he will be incapable of re-joining the group at a future date.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>