Re: Autism Speaks (warning kind of a rant)

[Guest guest]

Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about this or am I

the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you

want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think

about this?

Beth

>

> Hi all,

>

> Wanted to let you know how my morning went, I went to the grocery

> store and saw on childrens individually packed pretzles a sticky

> lable promoting Autism Speaks. So I dedided to go to their site,

It

> made me physically sick. I didn't know that Autism speaks joined

> with Cure Autism Now, I didn't realize exactly how bad these

people

> are. I looked at their list of officers, not one of them has a

> spectrum disorder. These are the people that want to fix us not

help

> us and they are getting national recognition and support, they

> recived funds from the race that just took place in Delware a day

or

> two ago. They are reciving support from our government (USA). All

> they are doing is looking for a quick fix, or a way to elimate us.

> Personally I don't want to be fixed. Im sure these people would be

> happy gathering together all of us people on the Autism spectrum

and

> shipping us off to an island somewhere and be done with us.

>

> Anyway, If anyone knows how to start a Boycott, this group is

> getting support from Toyz-R-US and Bachman pretzels, these are the

> items I know of, I believe we should support the autism community

and

> not purchase anything from these companies anymore, and any other

> companies that support Autism Speaks. If anyone knows how to start

a

> Boycott I believe we should Boycott any company that supports

Autism

> Speaks and their affilates.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about this or am I

the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you

want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think

about this?

Beth

>

> Hi all,

>

> Wanted to let you know how my morning went, I went to the grocery

> store and saw on childrens individually packed pretzles a sticky

> lable promoting Autism Speaks. So I dedided to go to their site,

It

> made me physically sick. I didn't know that Autism speaks joined

> with Cure Autism Now, I didn't realize exactly how bad these

people

> are. I looked at their list of officers, not one of them has a

> spectrum disorder. These are the people that want to fix us not

help

> us and they are getting national recognition and support, they

> recived funds from the race that just took place in Delware a day

or

> two ago. They are reciving support from our government (USA). All

> they are doing is looking for a quick fix, or a way to elimate us.

> Personally I don't want to be fixed. Im sure these people would be

> happy gathering together all of us people on the Autism spectrum

and

> shipping us off to an island somewhere and be done with us.

>

> Anyway, If anyone knows how to start a Boycott, this group is

> getting support from Toyz-R-US and Bachman pretzels, these are the

> items I know of, I believe we should support the autism community

and

> not purchase anything from these companies anymore, and any other

> companies that support Autism Speaks. If anyone knows how to start

a

> Boycott I believe we should Boycott any company that supports

Autism

> Speaks and their affilates.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

NASCAR has some association with this group too. The race this past weekend was dedicated to the cause.

http://www.jamiemcmurray.com/NewsDetail.aspx?WhatsNewID=108

See what's free at AOL.com.

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Beth wrote: " Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about

this or am I the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If

not maybe you want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do

you guys think about this? "

Well, Beth, considering that I'm working 60 and 70 hour weeks on the

MIC project and that Tom and I brought the issue of AUTISM SPEAKS to

the board a while back, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about

organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS and their negative agendas.

I also know that another member posted about AUTISM SPEAKS and their

affiliation with Toys'R'Us, thinking that AUTISM SPEAKS was a

wonderful organization.

Perhaps there are a few others from this board who have done

something to raise awareness of the negative agendas of such

organizations but have forgotten to post about their efforts here.

Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who

are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are autistic

themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as

AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve

of ridding the world of autistics.

Autism is genetic. You can no more CURE autism than you can CURE red

hair or blue eyes or size 11 feet.

To insist on a cure for autism is like insisting that because someone

has size 11 feet that don't fit into size 8 shoes, they must either

cram their feet into those shoes (a crippling thought) or cut their

toes off in order to fit into those shoes (another crippling

thought).

To add insult to injury, the person with the crippled feet would then

be forced to walk 'normally' even though there is nothing normal

about having size 11 feet encased by size 8 shoes. The size 8 shoe

people would all claim they had cured the size 11 feet people but

that would be the farthest thing from the truth. Those size 11 feet

people would still be size 11 feet people.

The only way to be rid of size 11 feet people would be to ...

eradicate them.

This is what a CURE for a neurological difference means.

Is the lack of participation on this board regarding organizations

like AUTISM SPEAKS merely a deafeningly silent vote for the genocide

of autistics? I would hope not.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well. I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack of responce, I thought this group of people really cared and the only people that have responded have been two of the administrators. Bethravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: Beth wrote: "Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care

about this or am I the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think about this?"Well, Beth, considering that I'm working 60 and 70 hour weeks on the MIC project and that Tom and I brought the issue of AUTISM SPEAKS to the board a while back, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS and their negative agendas.I also know that another member posted about AUTISM SPEAKS and their affiliation with Toys'R'Us, thinking that AUTISM SPEAKS was a wonderful organization. Perhaps there are a few others from this board who have done something to raise awareness of the negative agendas of such organizations but have forgotten to post about their efforts here.Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are

autistic themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve of ridding the world of autistics.Autism is genetic. You can no more CURE autism than you can CURE red hair or blue eyes or size 11 feet. To insist on a cure for autism is like insisting that because someone has size 11 feet that don't fit into size 8 shoes, they must either cram their feet into those shoes (a crippling thought) or cut their toes off in order to fit into those shoes (another crippling thought). To add insult to injury, the person with the crippled feet would then be forced to walk 'normally' even though there is nothing normal about having size 11 feet encased by size 8 shoes. The size 8 shoe people would all claim they had cured the size 11 feet people but that would be the farthest thing from the truth. Those size 11 feet people would

still be size 11 feet people.The only way to be rid of size 11 feet people would be to ... eradicate them.This is what a CURE for a neurological difference means.Is the lack of participation on this board regarding organizations like AUTISM SPEAKS merely a deafeningly silent vote for the genocide of autistics? I would hope not.RavenCo-Administrator

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I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well. I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack of responce, I thought this group of people really cared and the only people that have responded have been two of the administrators. Bethravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: Beth wrote: "Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care

about this or am I the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think about this?"Well, Beth, considering that I'm working 60 and 70 hour weeks on the MIC project and that Tom and I brought the issue of AUTISM SPEAKS to the board a while back, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS and their negative agendas.I also know that another member posted about AUTISM SPEAKS and their affiliation with Toys'R'Us, thinking that AUTISM SPEAKS was a wonderful organization. Perhaps there are a few others from this board who have done something to raise awareness of the negative agendas of such organizations but have forgotten to post about their efforts here.Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are

autistic themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve of ridding the world of autistics.Autism is genetic. You can no more CURE autism than you can CURE red hair or blue eyes or size 11 feet. To insist on a cure for autism is like insisting that because someone has size 11 feet that don't fit into size 8 shoes, they must either cram their feet into those shoes (a crippling thought) or cut their toes off in order to fit into those shoes (another crippling thought). To add insult to injury, the person with the crippled feet would then be forced to walk 'normally' even though there is nothing normal about having size 11 feet encased by size 8 shoes. The size 8 shoe people would all claim they had cured the size 11 feet people but that would be the farthest thing from the truth. Those size 11 feet people would

still be size 11 feet people.The only way to be rid of size 11 feet people would be to ... eradicate them.This is what a CURE for a neurological difference means.Is the lack of participation on this board regarding organizations like AUTISM SPEAKS merely a deafeningly silent vote for the genocide of autistics? I would hope not.RavenCo-Administrator

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Yes, I do and have already commented on this; however am only just

catching up on posts as my computer died on me and I am on my son's

laptop - good job he understands the concept of sharing, or that mummy

has withdrawl syptoms if she doesn't have access to a computer :-)

>

> Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about this or am I

> the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you

> want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think

> about this?

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

" Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who

are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are autistic

themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as

AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve

of ridding the world of autistics. "

What? :-O now that is scary :-(

Although I beggining to spot another pattern in human behaviour that

is kind of connected in some ways and also scary, I've been seeing it

for some time now and that is the ability some humans to do a

complete u-turn on their beliefs whilst simultanesouly denying they

ever held their previous belief; as in they may support these

damaging causes until for some reason they personally decide they are

actually bad and then they deny they ever supported them and insist

they always considered them bad - I see variations of this theme all

the time, throughout my life :-(

I think I able to express the above better due to I finally got

around to reading 1984 and the above is called 'doublethink' I

believe; but hey I not finished reading the book yet, but some very

interesting concepts in it :-)

" Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care

about

> this or am I the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am.

If

> not maybe you want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do

> you guys think about this? "

>

> Well, Beth, considering that I'm working 60 and 70 hour weeks on

the

> MIC project and that Tom and I brought the issue of AUTISM SPEAKS

to

> the board a while back, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel

about

> organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS and their negative agendas.

>

> I also know that another member posted about AUTISM SPEAKS and

their

> affiliation with Toys'R'Us, thinking that AUTISM SPEAKS was a

> wonderful organization.

>

> Perhaps there are a few others from this board who have done

> something to raise awareness of the negative agendas of such

> organizations but have forgotten to post about their efforts here.

>

> Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who

> are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are autistic

> themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as

> AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve

> of ridding the world of autistics.

>

> Autism is genetic. You can no more CURE autism than you can CURE

red

> hair or blue eyes or size 11 feet.

>

> To insist on a cure for autism is like insisting that because

someone

> has size 11 feet that don't fit into size 8 shoes, they must either

> cram their feet into those shoes (a crippling thought) or cut their

> toes off in order to fit into those shoes (another crippling

> thought).

>

> To add insult to injury, the person with the crippled feet would

then

> be forced to walk 'normally' even though there is nothing normal

> about having size 11 feet encased by size 8 shoes. The size 8 shoe

> people would all claim they had cured the size 11 feet people but

> that would be the farthest thing from the truth. Those size 11

feet

> people would still be size 11 feet people.

>

> The only way to be rid of size 11 feet people would be to ...

> eradicate them.

>

> This is what a CURE for a neurological difference means.

>

> Is the lack of participation on this board regarding organizations

> like AUTISM SPEAKS merely a deafeningly silent vote for the

genocide

> of autistics? I would hope not.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who

are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are autistic

themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as

AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve

of ridding the world of autistics. "

What? :-O now that is scary :-(

Although I beggining to spot another pattern in human behaviour that

is kind of connected in some ways and also scary, I've been seeing it

for some time now and that is the ability some humans to do a

complete u-turn on their beliefs whilst simultanesouly denying they

ever held their previous belief; as in they may support these

damaging causes until for some reason they personally decide they are

actually bad and then they deny they ever supported them and insist

they always considered them bad - I see variations of this theme all

the time, throughout my life :-(

I think I able to express the above better due to I finally got

around to reading 1984 and the above is called 'doublethink' I

believe; but hey I not finished reading the book yet, but some very

interesting concepts in it :-)

" Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care

about

> this or am I the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am.

If

> not maybe you want to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do

> you guys think about this? "

>

> Well, Beth, considering that I'm working 60 and 70 hour weeks on

the

> MIC project and that Tom and I brought the issue of AUTISM SPEAKS

to

> the board a while back, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel

about

> organizations such as AUTISM SPEAKS and their negative agendas.

>

> I also know that another member posted about AUTISM SPEAKS and

their

> affiliation with Toys'R'Us, thinking that AUTISM SPEAKS was a

> wonderful organization.

>

> Perhaps there are a few others from this board who have done

> something to raise awareness of the negative agendas of such

> organizations but have forgotten to post about their efforts here.

>

> Lately, however, I have truly begun to wonder about most people who

> are related to autistics or who know autistics or who are autistic

> themselves. They seem to like the bandwagon organizations such as

> AUTISM SPEAKS has happening now which means they indirectly approve

> of ridding the world of autistics.

>

> Autism is genetic. You can no more CURE autism than you can CURE

red

> hair or blue eyes or size 11 feet.

>

> To insist on a cure for autism is like insisting that because

someone

> has size 11 feet that don't fit into size 8 shoes, they must either

> cram their feet into those shoes (a crippling thought) or cut their

> toes off in order to fit into those shoes (another crippling

> thought).

>

> To add insult to injury, the person with the crippled feet would

then

> be forced to walk 'normally' even though there is nothing normal

> about having size 11 feet encased by size 8 shoes. The size 8 shoe

> people would all claim they had cured the size 11 feet people but

> that would be the farthest thing from the truth. Those size 11

feet

> people would still be size 11 feet people.

>

> The only way to be rid of size 11 feet people would be to ...

> eradicate them.

>

> This is what a CURE for a neurological difference means.

>

> Is the lack of participation on this board regarding organizations

> like AUTISM SPEAKS merely a deafeningly silent vote for the

genocide

> of autistics? I would hope not.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

This group is misguided and missing the point. As Raven has stated

Autism is Autism. What would be infinitely more useful would be to

spend these gobs of money teaching children. And not how to be NT

but what it means when other people are. Age approite of course.

Like learning another language or cultute. Survival skills, how to

deal with NT's that say they are compassionate. I am sure we could

compile a list. even courses on honing your perseveration. like

Harry Potters wizard school. wizards and muggles. (I always go for

the fantasy) I know. The point is none of these groups are pragmatic

and none of the money gets to the families. It is a wordy form of

snake oil that employs a whole bunch of people that divert money from

actual children. How about a program to train parents to be various

specialists (they like us in the dark because that controls us) I

don't personally have anything to do with any of the named groups. i

went to something at my local ARC (sensory GYM) It was 20 ASD

children in a gymnastics gym with no direction one OT and a bunch of

parents. No skill building, no order and it was 2 hours long. Well

I am the one who didn't make it through sensory gym, (as my senses

were toast) All the places that might actually work are so expensive

that they are only self pay any no organization defreays their cost.

Like Aspergers social groups for children. In the group children

interact as we do online. They talk about being different and how to

engage with the NT's(pragmatic) We can't go but I keep getting

promised Um it is 60-90$ an hour. So far Ravi is a bit young to

make the cost reasonable.

I would like to stop getting so much help that isn't helpful. All

the funds that I used to have access to do what would benefit Ravi

directly have been diverted into these blanket programs. Children

are kidnapped by the system so that they can be used as the next

statistic. It is like seeing aliens

misinformation, lies, subterfuge. I think the only way to have a

chance is for funds to go directly to Families (or even directly from

request by family to chosen provider) No misappropriation of funds

no wishy washy programs, no national campaigns. No more well

intentioned ninny trying to turn children NT. All I have ever wanted

was functionality. I want our children to have the skills to

survive, and the oppertunity for a measure of happiness. I don't

want any doors shut in his face. Choice, all people should have the

ability to choose and be given data to explain what can be chosen.

Autism SpeaKS and the like are caves of secrecery. no one can ever

be helped, only money generated that makes other people feel better

about being bullies. Oh that poor child. Because if they helped the

children and gave them the tools they where would all the sufferers

of Autism go?? How could NT's feel helpful and compassionate

I didn't post because it is suce a near pain. Denial of true help in

order to keep our children from succeeding and life. As you know

Ravi rides a crest (we walk an edge in his ability to function) One

misstep and Ravi's gap may widen. I have to decide what to place my

effort in (for his sake) what to spend money on or sign up for. I

have to keep him healthy becasue as long as he is healthy he can

participate at school I can sign up and request programs. i have to

always push foward-- so that I can make a case and keep Ravi fresh in

the teachers minds. If I don't point out progress they start to rely

on his DX for his ability level. Recently someone suggested estate

planning should he end up in a group home GROUP HOME he is 6. That

decision wouldn't even come until 14. At 6 people are thinking

Autism means group home (nice huh??) That is what makes the cure idea

pop into people heads

The idea of years of work and dedication sound too tough.

(compassion) remember all the compassion. People like things that

are weak and lowly. It is like telling a group of people that you

have been a victim of rape. (no one speaks) the room is hushed,

people actually leave, no one will talk about it. Reality is

reality (I have had the same reaction when i say my son is autistic)

It is depressing because the gap is so wide. i think we have to show

our own compassion, we have to some way in a non-agressive way bring

the truth out. Brain structure, and potential. I know Tom and Raven

do all they can. I keep thinking someone has to be like Jesus mixed

with Mother and Gandi. Commanding, gentle, pragmatic, driven,

a gentle debator that leaves the opponant believing they changed

their mind on their own. We cry out, but we must be explained by a

moses(without having to drive out to the desert for 40 years)

I wish no plagues nor to be stopped by any pharohs. it is like

having to bow down to graven images now that i think about it, and

wasn't Jesus angry with his own kinds ways. wow all sounds biblical

to me. So if anyone has Moses/Jesus number in their cell??

mimi

[Guest guest]

>

> I think I able to express the above better due to I finally got

> around to reading 1984 and the above is called 'doublethink' I

> believe; but hey I not finished reading the book yet, but some very

> interesting concepts in it :-)

>

>

" Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor;

it must be demanded by the oppressed. "

Luther King, Jr.

Letter from Birmingham Jail

April 1963

I have such a hard time with this. this is often part of my hiding

I have to really think hard about what is real, not be swayed and

look for the truth. There is a lot of Why aren't you fundraising,

working (at a job) constantly volunteering for all the class

things, organizing some event, participating in a Gala, writing a

sappy poem about how you love potty training (ravi is by the way but

he was 4 1/2)

It is hard to participate because no one (Raven and Tom aside) is

actually doing anything. There are some mom's I trust but don't get

too chumy with, I attend a few key conferences throughout the year.

i read A LOT. I am careful with my funds as I have often been

promised monies (By agencies that are actually based on Dx supposed

to be offering a stipened) I spend money on school materials and

coordinate programming. the school has yet to tell me anything new

about my son. i usually tell them. i point out the disconnects(they

don't even seee them) I formulate the questions. Often I am told

things like " oh that is what he has been saying " , " yes that is

something we should be working on " , no I hadn't read that etc etc.

every year, sooo frustrating all while being asked to do more

But to what end??? there are no goals, no plans, no marks to strive

for. they can't even keep it strait. Confrontational one moment,

thanking me the next, sometimes quoting me to other parents as if

they had come up with it.

The politics of Autism/Aspergers are a minefield where good

intentions and charity fight with logic. An ancient money feasting

regime trying to look like they are doing something but all a mirror

show with lives in the balance. As it is I feel robbed of my own

education (as a child)gifted programs are sometimes a necessary

element to sanity.

it is a systemwide issue with all children losing while money changes

hands and our youth is bought and sold like so much credit card debt.

It is NOT just an issue of ASD, but an issue of ineffective schooling

for all. if they put up special needs children no one will see the

real darker ever insidious problem. Hey ny still can't read!!!

actually he may be able to read but does he have the necessary skills

for this era. Special needs is the breast cancer of yesterday,

complain, make money and no one sees it!!!! lobbying, chest-beating,

cog turning, machine fowarding stuff happens and no one is any better

off. (they are during the highs but as Tom has said or william or

Nick, or Raven or Beth or or Kim; when the music stops and a

scape-goat is needed ASD is there pretty as you please. No problem

seeming able bodied, upright, shy, anxious, prone to depression, EASY

to PICK on. We are perfect!! Perfect to hurt. we have no feelings

(except we all do). We all want love a measure of acceptance, to fit.

We are the perverbial Jews of the Holocost, the Merchant of Venice.

If you cut us do we not bleed. we do but we do it in silence, not

willing to embarras ouselves, strong for our children, forced to be

statues, to protect ourselves and our loved ones, we get over, get by

and muddle through. Opressed and picked on by our fellows. we are

supposed to be thank-ful. actually we are also like Women at the

turn of the century hendrick Ibsen's (Yellow Wallpaper). We are

supposed to be happy to have others choose for us, thank-your

opressors know they are doing it for your own good

Maybe I should have kept silent. It hurts so much Hiding is easier.

Besides my ex came to see Ravi tonight I am always a bit fragile on

those nights. mimi

[Guest guest]

wrote: " Yes, I do and have already commented on this; however am

only just catching up on posts as my computer died on me and I am on my

son's laptop - good job he understands the concept of sharing, or that

mummy has withdrawl syptoms if she doesn't have access to a computer. "

Methinks you have also been discussing such topics online with a

certain other individual who also finds the entire situation with

AUTISM SPEAKS not only disgusting but dangerous. ;-)

And your son is a wonderful kid to let you use his laptop while your

computer is giving you so much grief. Give him an AS-style hug from me

for his generosity. :-)

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

mimi wrote: " [AUTISM SPEAKS] is misguided and missing the point. As

Raven has stated Autism is Autism. What would be infinitely more

useful would be to spend these gobs of money teaching children ...

<snip> ... So if anyone has Moses/Jesus number in their cell?? "

[Raven stands up and loudly applauds mimi for her absolutely incredible

and well-thought out post on the situation with AUTISM SPEAKS.]

Encore! Encore!

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

It was 7 Jun 2007, when beth sullivan commented:

> I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well.

> I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society

> that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack

> of responce, I thought this gr oup of people really cared and the only

> people that have responded have been two of the administrators.

Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply so I'm apathetic?

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It was 7 Jun 2007, when Beth commented:

> Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about this or am I

> the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you want

> to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think about this?

I think plenty of people are outraged about it, and have spoken about it

elsewhere. There are 20-30 Autism and Aperger groups on alone, and

there has been plenty of outspoken outrage. Even some activism. And it's

still there. And they get more government funding, and we get ignored.

What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know, and I

don't care.

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wrote: "Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply [to the AUTISM SPEAKS posts] so I'm apathetic?"

Here's a little something to read to help you determine if you are apathetic in your lack of reaction to the forces that would eradicate Autistics from this world.

"A time comes when silence is betrayal. The truth of these words is beyond doubt but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover when the issues at hand seem as perplexed as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty; but we must move on. "

- Rev. Luther King (4 April 1967) at a meeting of Clergy and Laity Concerned at Riverside Church in New York City

It seems so very apropos when speaking of the "war" that organizations like AUTISM SPEAKS wages on Autistics and the manner in which Autistics seem to react to such attacks.

If you are still asking if you are apathetic regarding this situation, perhaps this additional quote will help you decide for yourself if you should be moved to action:

First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist.Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant.Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Niemoller, 1945

wrote: "Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply [to the AUTISM SPEAKS posts] so I'm apathetic?"

Maybe it has more to do with the lack of action against what is revealed in the posts than it has to do with actually answering the posts. Then again, if one does not stand up for one's freedoms, one does not have the right to argue that their rights were unlawfully stolen from him. Apathy granted permission to have those rights stolen.

Raven

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wrote: " What's the difference between ignorance and

apathy? I don't know, and I don't care.

There's very little difference between them because both of them feed

off 'not knowing' and 'not caring.' I believe you have most likely

answered your previous question in posting this subsequent comment.

Raven

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wrote: " What's the difference between ignorance and

apathy? I don't know, and I don't care.

There's very little difference between them because both of them feed

off 'not knowing' and 'not caring.' I believe you have most likely

answered your previous question in posting this subsequent comment.

Raven

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wrote: " Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply so

I'm apathetic? "

Question: If you are so incensed that the question regarding apathy

and responding to the AUTISM SPEAKS post, why don't you participate

more actively in this forum? Start a thread on something that matters

intently to you and then grow your thread. We have a wonderful

membership with a great wealth of knowledge that traverses a number of

topics.

Raven

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Aspies in relationships get into trouble for seeing no logical need to

keep saying " I love you " repeatedly. Equally, in a caring community

it's easier to take it as given that all news shared about attacks on

our collective character is cared about. Do we all have to make a post

saying so?

What happens when you care but you simply agree with all that has been

posted + have nothing new to say? It's really difficult to think of a

snappy way to say that, and it can feel rude to post a one-word

acknowledgement. Don't take it as uncaring if we have no new clever

thoughts to add to the topic.

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> I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so

well. I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The

society that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized

by the lack of responce, I thought this group of people really cared

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We could brainstorm Ideas on how to help our situation. Ways of getting support away from Autism Speaks. I thought a boycott of items they support might work, but I don't know how to start one of those, I thought one of our members might have an idea. Something obviously has to be done, but when things like this are ignored I think people don't care, and thats why they are ignoring it, and I can't stand apathy. I see too much of that at my sons school and too many other places. This group has never been apathetic before which is why it suprized me so much. Personally I find your post reasuring, thank you for adding your voice Maurice Bethmaurice <megaknee@...> wrote: Aspies in relationships get into trouble for seeing no logical need to keep saying "I love you" repeatedly. Equally, in a caring community it's easier to take it as given that all news shared about attacks on our collective character is cared about. Do we all have to make a post saying so? What happens when you care but you simply agree with all that has been posted + have nothing new to say? It's really difficult to think of a snappy way to say that, and it can feel rude to post a one-word acknowledgement. Don't take it as uncaring if we have no new clever thoughts to add to the topic.>> I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well. I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack of responce, I thought this group of people really cared

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We could brainstorm Ideas on how to help our situation. Ways of getting support away from Autism Speaks. I thought a boycott of items they support might work, but I don't know how to start one of those, I thought one of our members might have an idea. Something obviously has to be done, but when things like this are ignored I think people don't care, and thats why they are ignoring it, and I can't stand apathy. I see too much of that at my sons school and too many other places. This group has never been apathetic before which is why it suprized me so much. Personally I find your post reasuring, thank you for adding your voice Maurice Bethmaurice <megaknee@...> wrote: Aspies in relationships get into trouble for seeing no logical need to keep saying "I love you" repeatedly. Equally, in a caring community it's easier to take it as given that all news shared about attacks on our collective character is cared about. Do we all have to make a post saying so? What happens when you care but you simply agree with all that has been posted + have nothing new to say? It's really difficult to think of a snappy way to say that, and it can feel rude to post a one-word acknowledgement. Don't take it as uncaring if we have no new clever thoughts to add to the topic.>> I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well. I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack of responce, I thought this group of people really cared

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that kind of thinking is what destroyed Germany, that kind of thinking has created enemies of the natives of the north America. Well other people can care, I don't have the time for that. If you read what these people stand for its mass genocide of the Autistic people. Maybe its time we are made aware before we are rounded up and shipped off somewhere to be killed, its happened before, in our history and they say history repeats it self. So Yes I will yell and scream and carry on when I see my family or my friends being hurt. This forum is full of my friends, I believe its my obligation to at least try to inform them if I see something wrong and follow it up if there are no responces. There are ways of stopping people like this I believe world war II could have been stopped if people cared, and were less apathetic. Beth <dbsmith@...> wrote: It was 7 Jun 2007, when Beth commented: > Hey you guys, anyone out there, does anybody care about this or am I > the only one. Aren't you guys as outraged as I am. If not maybe you want> to be fixed or cured. I know I don't. What do you guys think about this?I think plenty of people are outraged about it, and have spoken about it elsewhere. There are 20-30 Autism and Aperger groups on alone, and there has been

plenty of outspoken outrage. Even some activism. And it's still there. And they get more government funding, and we get ignored.What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know, and I don't care.-- Grizzly <grizzly at grizzly.podzone.org>Podcast: <http://feeds.feedburner.com/grizzlysgrowls>Blog:<http://feeds.feedburner.com/grizzlysblog>The Life and Times of a Minor Local Celebrity

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, did I single you out, did I say didn't reply he is apathetic, I don't believe we have talked before so you aren't one of the people I know. I have been a member of this group for a long time. This group isn't normally apathetic, we have a large group that does respond, quite frequently. Im looking for help compating this group, Where to I go for help to my friends the other aspies in my group. I was hoping one of our members would see the posts and help come up with ideas to combat this group, to join Raven and Tom's cause, instead I got ignored, so I thought I would stir the pot a little, and see if anyone was paying attention. Sometimes people need a shove to get them goinging rather than a little push. Beth <dbsmith@...> wrote: It was 7 Jun 2007, when beth sullivan commented: > I know how busy you are Raven, I do follow the work you and Tom do so well.> I am just suprized at the apathy of the rest of the group. The society> that I know and love people would be outraged, I am suprized by the lack> of responce, I thought this gr oup of people really cared and the only> people that have responded have been two of the administrators.Well excuse the hell out of me, I don't reply so I'm apathetic?-- Grizzly <grizzly at grizzly.podzone.org>Podcast: <http://feeds.feedburner.com/grizzlysgrowls>Blog:<http://feeds.feedburner.com/grizzlysblog>The Life and Times of a Minor Local Celebrity

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maurice wrote: " ... <snip> ... What happens when you care but you

simply agree with all that has been posted + have nothing new to say?

It's really difficult to think of a snappy way to say that, and it can

feel rude to post a one-word acknowledgement. Don't take it as uncaring

if we have no new clever thoughts to add to the topic ... <snip> ... "

True. But what happens when apathy or inaction leads to loss of

freedoms and very possibly worse?

Raven

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