Flu shots

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EEGADS!! Here's reason enough to forego flu shots! How would you like to end up like his wife???? NO WAY!! Thanks for sharing this! "In February of 1990, right after my wife's major cancer surgery in January, her doctor recommended a flu shot. Almost immediately after the injection, my wife started feeling ill. Overnight she came down with the worst case of flu she'd ever had. She went to bed and literally didn't get up again for more than a few hours at a time for years afterwards. Only now, almost a decade later, is she finally regaining full health and energy."Michele Wininger <sea_shell81@...> wrote: www.mercola.com/2000/nov/26/flu_shots.htm Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! __________________________________________________

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On Oct 15, 1999 Mark S. Sulkowski, M.D. replied:

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YES! ALL PATIENTS ON INTERFERON OR IFN PLUS RIBAVIRIN (REBETRON)SHOULD GET THE

INFLUENZA VACCINE. THE TIME IS NOW - SO ASK YOUR DOCTOR AT YOUR NEXT VIST OR

DROP IN FOR A FLU SHOT. Thanks for your question - its an important issue that

we tend to forget. i would pass on it but this is the experts

marde_stanfill <marde_stanfill@...> wrote: Hi

I am starting tx in a couple of weeks and I work at a hospital

treatment center and they like us to have flu shots. Has anyone taken

the shots while on their tx??? I was wondering if there was any one

who had taken shots while taking shots. I am going to see my doctor

next week and ask her. But I wanted to hear it from the horses mouth.

Thanks.

Marde

Tim Parsons

knoxville,tn 37931

865-588-2465 x107 work

www.knoxville1.com

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[Guest guest]

Well my regular doc says I can't have one this year my counts are to low. The

p.a. says I have to have one. I see both of them next month guess it will work

out ok. pat

Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: On Oct 15, 1999 Mark S.

Sulkowski, M.D. replied:

---------------------------------

YES! ALL PATIENTS ON INTERFERON OR IFN PLUS RIBAVIRIN (REBETRON)SHOULD GET THE

INFLUENZA VACCINE. THE TIME IS NOW - SO ASK YOUR DOCTOR AT YOUR NEXT VIST OR

DROP IN FOR A FLU SHOT. Thanks for your question - its an important issue that

we tend to forget. i would pass on it but this is the experts

marde_stanfill <marde_stanfill@...> wrote: Hi

I am starting tx in a couple of weeks and I work at a hospital

treatment center and they like us to have flu shots. Has anyone taken

the shots while on their tx??? I was wondering if there was any one

who had taken shots while taking shots. I am going to see my doctor

next week and ask her. But I wanted to hear it from the horses mouth.

Thanks.

Marde

Tim Parsons

knoxville,tn 37931

865-588-2465 x107 work

www.knoxville1.com

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well my regular doc says I can't have one this year my counts are to low. The

p.a. says I have to have one. I see both of them next month guess it will work

out ok. pat

Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: On Oct 15, 1999 Mark S.

Sulkowski, M.D. replied:

---------------------------------

YES! ALL PATIENTS ON INTERFERON OR IFN PLUS RIBAVIRIN (REBETRON)SHOULD GET THE

INFLUENZA VACCINE. THE TIME IS NOW - SO ASK YOUR DOCTOR AT YOUR NEXT VIST OR

DROP IN FOR A FLU SHOT. Thanks for your question - its an important issue that

we tend to forget. i would pass on it but this is the experts

marde_stanfill <marde_stanfill@...> wrote: Hi

I am starting tx in a couple of weeks and I work at a hospital

treatment center and they like us to have flu shots. Has anyone taken

the shots while on their tx??? I was wondering if there was any one

who had taken shots while taking shots. I am going to see my doctor

next week and ask her. But I wanted to hear it from the horses mouth.

Thanks.

Marde

Tim Parsons

knoxville,tn 37931

865-588-2465 x107 work

www.knoxville1.com

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I specifically asked the nurses who were giving the shots that same

question. I was just curious, not that I was going to get one. I

briefly told them about my wife's condition and their reply

was, " that is a complete body infection, we can only give the shot

with a note from her doctor and then only at a clinic. It normally

is not recommended with people in this condition. " I was also told

that it did not contain mercury, like I really believe everything

I'm told about any medication.

Since I am not a doctor and will not give out medical advice my only

suggestion would be to 1)way all the evidence, for or against. 2)

Consult with your treating physician. 3)Use your own judgement.

The only time my wife got the flu was when she received the flu

shot, but then again she was in the contaminated building and didn't

know it at that time.

Hope this helps,

KC

--- In , Sinkey <westoo@...>

wrote:

>

> There's no force on earth that could compel me to get a flu shot.

A friend of mine almost died after getting a flu shot. The flu

vaccine contains mercury, formaldehyde and all kinds of nasty

ingredients. I have so far avoided the flu by putting hydrogen

peroxide in my ears every day as the flu virus enters your body

through your ears.

[Guest guest]

This is from Safeminds a watchdog website for thimerosal and other

sources of mercury in our environment. They primarily focus on

vaccinations.

Friends,

My son Luke had a severe reaction to his childhood vaccines and was

later diagnosed with autism. Through much research, I learned that

his vaccines contained toxic levels of a preservative containing

mercury. We had him tested and found that he has mercury poisoning.

He is now on his way to recovery thanks to treatments to remove

mercury from his body. I've become interested in what other negative

effects may be caused by mercury in vaccines, and have found that it

puts people at greater risk of Alzheimer's Disease and Heart Disease

in addition to autism. So don't take flu vaccines with 'thimerosal'

mercury! Please read the information below and pass it on to everyone

that you love and care about. -

Top Ten Reasons to Avoid Getting a Mercury-based Flu Vaccine this

winter:

1. Avoid injecting mercury into your body. Everyone knows how

dangerous mercury can be to your health but very few know that it is

a common ingredient used in flu vaccines. A majority of flu vaccines

this winter contain a preservative called " thimerosal " that contains

mercury, the third most toxic substance on earth

2. Protect yourself from heart disease. Ohio State University

researchers published in May 2007 that Thimerosal activates an enzyme

that causes plaque build-up in the arteries which has been linked to

heart disease and heart attacks.

3. Reduce your risk of developing Alzheimer's Disease. A scientific

paper to be published later this year will describe tests showing

that mercury in the laboratory causes the same brain abnormalities

found in Alzheimer's disease.

4. Play the odds. An American has less than a 1 in 150,000 of dying

from the flu. An American is far more likely to develop heart

disease, Alzheimer's, or autism, all of which have been linked to

mercury toxicity.

5. Stay healthy this winter. The mercury in flu shots can impair your

immune system, making you more vulnerable to infections. Good hand

washing and avoiding those who have the flu are the safest ways to

stay healthy this winter

6. Prevent your body from becoming a hazardous waste storage site.

According to EPA guidelines the flu vaccines contain 250 times the

amount of mercury that is defined as hazardous waste. And unused flu

vaccine at the end of the flu season must be shipped back to the

manufacturer to be disposed of as a hazardous waste.

7. Take control of your own health while the government agencies

debate. The Surgeon General's office recommended removal of

Thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1999. The CDC has not yet

followed the Surgeon General recommendation regarding flu vaccines.

The NIH reported to Congress in 2006 that there were serious flaws

with the statistical evidence used by the CDC to support their

position.

8. Avoid an unproven and possibly unsafe health treatment. The

British Medical Journal reported last October that the evidence from

a comprehensive review of flu vaccine studies shows that the flu

vaccine has little or no benefit, and also that little comparative

evidence exists on the safety of these vaccines

9. Prevent toxic overload. Thimerosal is a particularly toxic form of

mercury because it blocks the process used by the body to get rid of

mercury and also other toxins. One dose of Thimerosal could push a

person past a " toxic tipping point " .

10. Don't be one of the last Americans to take a mercury-based flu

vaccine. Seven states have banned Thimerosal from most vaccines, and

the U.S. House of Representatives passed an amendment in July that

prevents taxpayer money from being used in 2008 to administer mercury-

based flu shots to young children. It is only a matter of time before

Thimerosal is banned from all vaccines.

[Guest guest]

KC...........I've heard from many people that when they got a flu shot, they got

the flu. Further, they have not taken the mercury out of the vaccine serum.

Your nurse was wrong. Besides, they don't call it mercury.......they call it

" thimerosal " which is a mercury compound. A rose by any other name is still a

rose. There are many naturopathic ways to minimize or avoid the flu without

getting yourself poisoned by a vaccine. Don't forget to wash your hands a lot.

I hope your wife got through her ordeal okay.

Best wishes....................Betsy (BTW....I'm not an AMA physician,

either. lol)

tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

I specifically asked the nurses who were giving the shots that same

question. I was just curious, not that I was going to get one. I

briefly told them about my wife's condition and their reply

was, " that is a complete body infection, we can only give the shot

with a note from her doctor and then only at a clinic. It normally

is not recommended with people in this condition. " I was also told

that it did not contain mercury, like I really believe everything

I'm told about any medication.

Since I am not a doctor and will not give out medical advice my only

suggestion would be to 1)way all the evidence, for or against. 2)

Consult with your treating physician. 3)Use your own judgement.

The only time my wife got the flu was when she received the flu

shot, but then again she was in the contaminated building and didn't

know it at that time.

Hope this helps,

KC

[Guest guest]

There is a great free article in Alternative Medicine Review (a very

well respected medical journal, not a fly by night operation AT ALL) -

on preventing influenza. ('the flu')

Its on the web at

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/12/1/25.pdf

Altern Med Rev. 2007 Mar;12(1):25-48.

Colds and influenza: a review of diagnosis and conventional,

botanical, and nutritional considerations.

Roxas M, Jurenka J.

The common cold is the leading cause of doctor visits in the United

States and annually results in 189 million lost school days. In the

course of one year the U.S. population contracts approximately 1

billion colds. Influenza infection is still a leading cause of

morbidity and mortality, accounting for 20-25 million doctor visits

and 36,000 deaths per year in the United States. Conventional

therapies for colds and flu focus primarily on temporary symptom

relief and include over-the-counter antipyretics, anti-inflammatories,

and decongestants. Treatment for influenza also includes prescription

antiviral agents and vaccines for prevention. This article reviews the

common cold and influenza viruses, presents the conventional treatment

options, and highlights select botanicals (Echinacea spp., Sambucus

nigra, larch arabinogalactan, Astragalus membranaceous, Baptisia

tinctoria, Allium sativa, Panax quinquefolium, Eleutherococcus

senticosus, Andrographis paniculata, olive leaf extract, and Isatis

tinctoria) and nutritional considerations (vitamins A and C, zinc,

high lactoferrin whey protein, N-acetylcysteine, and DHEA) that may

help in the prevention and treatment of these conditions.

Publication Types:

Review

PMID: 17397266 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Guest guest]

All,

I am very familiar with the ingredients of vaccines concerning the

thimerosal/mercury and the conditions they can cause. One of our

board members and a very close friend has experienced the results of

vaccines and her child, which is now autistic.

This is opening another can of worms, which I know there are

specific websites set up concerning just this. So I really don't

want to get into it here.

The original question was should we get a flu shot. My answer in a

nutshell, No, in my personal opinion I would not take the chance.

We've done great without it for about 10 years. I asked some

questions to these nurses just for curiosity sake to see what their

answers would be. Not that I believed what they had to say. Our

discussion became slightly heated about people in our condition. Not

to mention they didn't stay long, oh well.

KC

>

> This is from Safeminds a watchdog website for thimerosal and other

> sources of mercury in our environment. They primarily focus on

> vaccinations.

>

> Friends,

>

> My son Luke had a severe reaction to his childhood vaccines and was

> later diagnosed with autism. Through much research, I learned that

> his vaccines contained toxic levels of a preservative containing

> mercury. We had him tested and found that he has mercury poisoning.

> He is now on his way to recovery thanks to treatments to remove

> mercury from his body. I've become interested in what other

negative

> effects may be caused by mercury in vaccines, and have found that

it

> puts people at greater risk of Alzheimer's Disease and Heart

Disease

> in addition to autism. So don't take flu vaccines with 'thimerosal'

> mercury! Please read the information below and pass it on to

everyone

> that you love and care about. -

>

> Top Ten Reasons to Avoid Getting a Mercury-based Flu Vaccine this

> winter:

>

> 1. Avoid injecting mercury into your body. Everyone knows how

> dangerous mercury can be to your health but very few know that it

is

> a common ingredient used in flu vaccines. A majority of flu

vaccines

> this winter contain a preservative called " thimerosal " that

contains

> mercury, the third most toxic substance on earth

>

> 2. Protect yourself from heart disease. Ohio State University

> researchers published in May 2007 that Thimerosal activates an

enzyme

> that causes plaque build-up in the arteries which has been linked

to

> heart disease and heart attacks.

>

> 3. Reduce your risk of developing Alzheimer's Disease. A scientific

> paper to be published later this year will describe tests showing

> that mercury in the laboratory causes the same brain abnormalities

> found in Alzheimer's disease.

>

> 4. Play the odds. An American has less than a 1 in 150,000 of dying

> from the flu. An American is far more likely to develop heart

> disease, Alzheimer's, or autism, all of which have been linked to

> mercury toxicity.

>

> 5. Stay healthy this winter. The mercury in flu shots can impair

your

> immune system, making you more vulnerable to infections. Good hand

> washing and avoiding those who have the flu are the safest ways to

> stay healthy this winter

>

> 6. Prevent your body from becoming a hazardous waste storage site.

> According to EPA guidelines the flu vaccines contain 250 times the

> amount of mercury that is defined as hazardous waste. And unused

flu

> vaccine at the end of the flu season must be shipped back to the

> manufacturer to be disposed of as a hazardous waste.

>

> 7. Take control of your own health while the government agencies

> debate. The Surgeon General's office recommended removal of

> Thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1999. The CDC has not yet

> followed the Surgeon General recommendation regarding flu vaccines.

> The NIH reported to Congress in 2006 that there were serious flaws

> with the statistical evidence used by the CDC to support their

> position.

>

> 8. Avoid an unproven and possibly unsafe health treatment. The

> British Medical Journal reported last October that the evidence

from

> a comprehensive review of flu vaccine studies shows that the flu

> vaccine has little or no benefit, and also that little comparative

> evidence exists on the safety of these vaccines

>

> 9. Prevent toxic overload. Thimerosal is a particularly toxic form

of

> mercury because it blocks the process used by the body to get rid

of

> mercury and also other toxins. One dose of Thimerosal could push a

> person past a " toxic tipping point " .

>

> 10. Don't be one of the last Americans to take a mercury-based flu

> vaccine. Seven states have banned Thimerosal from most vaccines,

and

> the U.S. House of Representatives passed an amendment in July that

> prevents taxpayer money from being used in 2008 to administer

mercury-

> based flu shots to young children. It is only a matter of time

before

> Thimerosal is banned from all vaccines.

>

[Guest guest]

LIVE, JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS, YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP ON THIS

BOARD WITH ALL YOUR RESEARCH. WE BOTH KNOW ITS NOT EASY WITH OUR

ILLNESS. STAY STRONG AND TAKE CARE OF TOURSELF.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> There is a great free article in Alternative Medicine Review (a very

> well respected medical journal, not a fly by night operation AT

ALL) -

> on preventing influenza. ('the flu')

>

> Its on the web at

>

> http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/12/1/25.pdf

>

>

> Altern Med Rev. 2007 Mar;12(1):25-48.

>

> Colds and influenza: a review of diagnosis and conventional,

> botanical, and nutritional considerations.

>

> Roxas M, Jurenka J.

>

>

> The common cold is the leading cause of doctor visits in the United

> States and annually results in 189 million lost school days. In the

> course of one year the U.S. population contracts approximately 1

> billion colds. Influenza infection is still a leading cause of

> morbidity and mortality, accounting for 20-25 million doctor visits

> and 36,000 deaths per year in the United States. Conventional

> therapies for colds and flu focus primarily on temporary symptom

> relief and include over-the-counter antipyretics, anti-

inflammatories,

> and decongestants. Treatment for influenza also includes

prescription

> antiviral agents and vaccines for prevention. This article reviews

the

> common cold and influenza viruses, presents the conventional

treatment

> options, and highlights select botanicals (Echinacea spp., Sambucus

> nigra, larch arabinogalactan, Astragalus membranaceous, Baptisia

> tinctoria, Allium sativa, Panax quinquefolium, Eleutherococcus

> senticosus, Andrographis paniculata, olive leaf extract, and Isatis

> tinctoria) and nutritional considerations (vitamins A and C, zinc,

> high lactoferrin whey protein, N-acetylcysteine, and DHEA) that may

> help in the prevention and treatment of these conditions.

>

> Publication Types:

> Review

> PMID: 17397266 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Flu shots contain thermerasol (the mercury agent which I believe triggered

my son's autism). Take care.

[Guest guest]

Researchers have already PROVEN that thimerosal in vaccines is behind the

horrific autism epidemic although a large faction of the drug-medical community

insists there " is no proof " . Of course they would deny it. The liability here

is into the trillions of dollars. Sorry that happened to your son. It is

tragic.

Regards............Betsy

davisnewstart@... wrote:

Hi all,

Flu shots contain thermerasol (the mercury agent which I believe triggered

my son's autism). Take care.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

There IS hard evidence that childhood immunizations cause Autism. I have a 41

year old son who represents my hard proof. There was no predisposition - above

average physical and mental development & he was talking in complete sentences

at 15 months of age.

The DPT booster damaged his CNS. And the reason this happened is because his

pediatrician did NOT read, or adhere to the warnings and contraindications of

the vaccine. The warning was that the child should not have been on any kind of

antibiotic within the past month. My son had stopped abx two weeks prior to

receiving his DPT booster shot; therefore his immune system was not ready, or

able, to handle the vaccine. That night he ran a high fever; couldn't move his

left arm (site of injection) and was unable to move his head to the left. Next

day doctor visit...normal reaction...blah, blah, blah covering her ass BS!

Within a few days he began rocking, and, over the next few months, he lost all

language, rocked on the sofa all day, and had completely withdrawn into himself.

This sequence of events seems pretty much like hard evidence to me. After that

shot, I watched my son change from a happy, intelligent, and playful little boy

into a mute, frightened, withdrawn stranger wh

o didn't even recognize that I existed.

As for the MMR...back when my two children were getting the immunizations, the

MMR did not exist. Each shot was given individually, spaced months apart. The

problem seems to arise from the combination of so many shots given at each well

child visit. Have you seen a list of the required immunizations our babies are

now getting at each of these visits? They cannot handle the assault on their

immune systems of so many different immunizations at one time. So, I believe

that this is at least one of the reasons we're seeing such an alarming rise in

Autism.

Kurt, I'm not discounting your statements; I just think that there's more than

one reason why the lives of our very young children are being destroyed. And

one of the reason doesn't have to happen if doctors would speak up and demand

that these babies be given these immunizations a few at a time and spaced out

over years instead of months.

Sorry to go on about an off-topic, but I just can't be quiet when someone states

that there is no proof that childhood immunizations cause Autism. They DO, and

I watched it happen to my son. And believe me, I'm not the only parent who's

witnessed this tradgedy.

Take care all.

Patty

> Posted by: " KATHLEEN FARBER " mrskfarber@... kathleenmfarber

>

> I'm just getting more and more confused.

> How does an MMR vaccine cause Lyme? Also, there is no hard evidence that

vaccinations cause autism(they

> COULD perhaps be a trigger to something already occurring in a childs body)

After seeing some children suffer the > return of the devastating illness we

once thought were defeated, I think its terribly silly to deny your child its

shots. The > risks are not as great as the risks of illness.

[Guest guest]

I have recovered my autistic children, and am quite versed in this area.

Just email me for more info. Oddly enough, the same treatments for autism also

work on lyme, autoimmune disorders, mental illness, etc. It seems that

these illnesses are all caused by toxins and pathogens, from our

toxic/genetically modified food, insults to our immune system from vaccines and

other toxins,

environmental toxins, pathogens, etc. Apparently, these kids's immune

systems are not working correctly, and they start stock-piling pathogens and

toxins. Mercury (from vaccines, fish, air, silver dental fillings) and lyme

seem

to be the most common agents destroying their immune systems, but many more

pathogens and toxins are also involved and vary depending upon each child.

The treatment, in a nut-shell, is healthy food (which means organic,

non-processed), and ridding pathogens and toxins.

Heidi N

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry for what happened to your son, and I am not discounting what you

say. There certainly could be a link between the combinations of so many shots

and other conditions then occurring. I do like that you are not simply saying

kids should not get the shots(because I am a firm believer that they should)but

just space them farther and not combine so many at once. I do also tho, from

what I've learned about autism, know that it strikes typically at this age and

it may be a coincedence that the shots are going on at this time too.Just an

observation. Autism is also a spectrum disease,and all kids display some traits

charectoristic of autism,as does my own child.

pattymcd@... wrote: Hi Kathleen,

There IS hard evidence that childhood immunizations cause Autism. I have a 41

year old son who represents my hard proof. There was no predisposition - above

average physical and mental development & he was talking in complete sentences

at 15 months of age.

The DPT booster damaged his CNS. And the reason this happened is because his

pediatrician did NOT read, or adhere to the warnings and contraindications of

the vaccine. The warning was that the child should not have been on any kind of

antibiotic within the past month. My son had stopped abx two weeks prior to

receiving his DPT booster shot; therefore his immune system was not ready, or

able, to handle the vaccine. That night he ran a high fever; couldn't move his

left arm (site of injection) and was unable to move his head to the left. Next

day doctor visit...normal reaction...blah, blah, blah covering her ass BS!

Within a few days he began rocking, and, over the next few months, he lost all

language, rocked on the sofa all day, and had completely withdrawn into himself.

This sequence of events seems pretty much like hard evidence to me. After that

shot, I watched my son change from a happy, intelligent, and playful little boy

into a mute, frightened, withdrawn stranger wh

o didn't even recognize that I existed.

As for the MMR...back when my two children were getting the immunizations, the

MMR did not exist. Each shot was given individually, spaced months apart. The

problem seems to arise from the combination of so many shots given at each well

child visit. Have you seen a list of the required immunizations our babies are

now getting at each of these visits? They cannot handle the assault on their

immune systems of so many different immunizations at one time. So, I believe

that this is at least one of the reasons we're seeing such an alarming rise in

Autism.

Kurt, I'm not discounting your statements; I just think that there's more than

one reason why the lives of our very young children are being destroyed. And one

of the reason doesn't have to happen if doctors would speak up and demand that

these babies be given these immunizations a few at a time and spaced out over

years instead of months.

Sorry to go on about an off-topic, but I just can't be quiet when someone states

that there is no proof that childhood immunizations cause Autism. They DO, and I

watched it happen to my son. And believe me, I'm not the only parent who's

witnessed this tradgedy.

Take care all.

Patty

> Posted by: " KATHLEEN FARBER " mrskfarber@... kathleenmfarber

>

> I'm just getting more and more confused.

> How does an MMR vaccine cause Lyme? Also, there is no hard evidence that

vaccinations cause autism(they

> COULD perhaps be a trigger to something already occurring in a childs body)

After seeing some children suffer the > return of the devastating illness we

once thought were defeated, I think its terribly silly to deny your child its

shots. The > risks are not as great as the risks of illness.

[Guest guest]

I have no clue about the connection between flu shots and autism, I did

however, read a rather disturbing article in our newspaper about a healthy

teenage

boy dying from influenza. His mother is crusading for M.A.R.T.I.N. (May All

Receive Their Immunizations No) also her late son's name. I personally would

give older healthy children as well as all adults (Lyme or no Lyme) the flu shot

if availlable or affordable, shots can save lives. I used to have the flu

shot every year for occupational exposure (when I still worked) as well as for

Asthma, which is also a sign of a poor immune system. So now that I am

uninjured and already sick with both Asthma and Lyme, I believe the flu shot (if

I

can get it cheap somewhere) could help my already suppressed immune system to

fight of more serious illnesses.

Dagmar

sick and Lyme Disabled since 3-06

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[Guest guest]

Well this morning at work they were giving our flu shots and my gut said to

refuse. This will be the first time in 12 years I have not had it, but I kept

thinking...right now i am not all that bad...my abx are done for now, I have

some returning mild symptoms, but its livable. I am worried if I get the flu

shot it will trigger more problems. I dont know if i did the right thing, but I

am comfortable with it right now.

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I have not taken a flu shot in years but I do take Transfer Factor to boost

my immune system and have avoided not only the flu but colds and everything

so many others have had.

Ann

-- Re: [ ] Flu Shots

Well this morning at work they were giving our flu shots and my gut said to

refuse. This will be the first time in 12 years I have not had it, but I

kept thinking...right now i am not all that bad...my abx are done for now, I

have some returning mild symptoms, but its livable. I am worried if I get

the flu shot it will trigger more problems. I dont know if i did the right

thing, but I am comfortable with it right now.

[Guest guest]

>

> -I was advised by my first neurologist and years later by Dr. Bihari,

> not to get a flu shot which, I've never had. I am rarely sick, which

> I'm fortunate. My first neurologist said that the side affects could

> be bad, a feeling like taking the CRAB drugs, which he never

> recommended for me.

My thinking started awhile back, when they were suddenly vaccinating

for everything.

As I sit here with an autoimmune disease, I think back to being a kid,

and I was NEVER sick. I even had 2 friends that got chicken pox as

teenagers. I spent every day with them, and stayed overnight, sleeping

in the same bed as them, through the entire course of chicken pox.

(before, during and after) and I never got them.

Then, My tonsils went bad, and all went downhill from there. I was on

so many different antibiotics, I had built an immunity to all of them.

I figured this out myself, the doctors didn't think it was possible.(I

have now refused pennicillin for the last 20 years, hoping that if I

truly need it one day, it will work again.) Finally, at 16 I had to go

to 3 different surgeons before I could find one even willing to remove

my tonsils. (this was around the time when they decided tonsils were

being taken out too much, so no one would do it)After the surgery, the

doc said there should have been no question about taking them out,

they were so full of scar tissue, there were pockets everywhere.(I was

the surgeons very last before retirement...still think this is why he

went against everyone else, and did it anyway..lol) From then on out,

I was always sick. I think too many years of an immune system being

run down.

Then at 27 years old, my 2 daughters gave me the chicken pox. IT

wasn't terrible, but it wasn't a mild case either. The chicken pox

vaccine came out around this time. My oldest daughter is just like me.

She NEVER gets sick, and never got the chicken pox from the 3 of

us.(she is 18 now) However, my nephew got the vaccine, and then got

the chicken pox. His Mom called me freaking out not knowing what was

wrong with him. He was one solid rash. The worst case of pox I have

ever seen. He even had them on his eyeballs..doc said if he hadn't had

the vaccine, it would be worse. I couldn't imagine it could have been

any worse. The vaccination gave him the pox. No big deal really, but

what if it had been a different vaccine?

This is when I started thinking if we vaccinate for every little

thing, that maybe we are training our bodies to only be able to fight

something in a " small dose " Over years time, our bodies will only be

able to fight in a " small way. " This is only my theory, but my doctor

then agreed with me, and never pushed the subject. She said the

chicken pox vaccine was more so kids and parents don't have to miss

school and work from the sickness. To me, this isn't a reason to

vaccinate. She agreed. None of my kids will ever get this vaccine.

Chicken pox is very, very rarely deadly. In fact, I can't say I have

ever really read a true story of death from Chicken pox.

I do vaccinate for things such as polio, measels, mumps and the like.

I do think, for me and my family, that these are important, and the

benefits do outweigh the risks. Maybe not so much now, as they are

very rare, but the reason they are rare, is because of vaccinations.

But, like everything else in this world, someone takes things to the

extreme, which in the end will cause problems. To me, the extreme is

all these vaccinations. (and one day, the extreme may very well be

everyone refusing vaccinations) Let's just stick to the ones that can

really kill. Maybe there are ones out there at great risk for the flu,

and the vaccine is needed. But for me, and my family, at this time, we

will say no thank you. (and get yelled at every time....sure miss my

old doc)

LEt's hope LDN does the trick for all of us in regards to the immune

system. As my 16 year old daughter is on day 4 of LDN, we will see how

well it keeps the immune system functioning. She is ALWAYS sick.

phneumonia, colds, cold sores, flu, you name it. And BTW, she has had

no sleep disturbances. Started at 4.5 mg. Taking for OCD, anxiety,

mild depression and undiagnosed skin lesions that are recurrent.

Just my 2 cents (and small book...sorry..lol)

Saundra

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering that - is it ok to get a flu shot if I am currently

taking antibiotics for early-stage lyme? should I wait till my course of antib

is done or get one now or not get one at all?

-Pat

[Guest guest]

I wish we could tell the future sometimes.... I never really ever got the flu

shot, but the flu had such a long spring season it would always get me

somehow... And when I got the flu shot, I got really really sick. It's annoying

having to deal with illnesses like that, especially when you have a really

awkward immune system. I would do almost anything so that I could tell whether

my body would benefit from vaccinations this year.

I was just considering asking my LLMD what he thinks.

Elaina

From: McDermott <pattymcd@...>

Subject: [ ] Flu Shots

Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 11:04 AM

We're all individuals with individual reactions to many things,

including the

Flu shots. So, each of us has to make our own decision.

When I first contracted Lyme, my LLMD believed that getting the Flu

would be much worse for me than getting the shot. So, every year

since 1996, I've been getting the flu shot and have had no bad or

negative results. But that's me.

Take care all.

Patty

[Guest guest]

I don't do them... My doc says no Hun..

[ ] Re: flu shots

I was just wondering that - is it ok to get a flu shot if I am currently

taking antibiotics for early-stage lyme? should I wait till my course of antib

is done or get one now or not get one at all?

-Pat

[Guest guest]

Hi Clare, the site you've provided is excellent. I've been taking daily

Vitamin D (1000 iu - 2000 iu) for about a month. On the video the doctor

recommends higher doses. Since moving here, close to 18-months ago I've

been getting continual infections - that usually hit my lungs, hard.

It suddenly occurred to me that very recent infections I've contracted

have only lasted for about 3 - 4 days each time. Something that's highly

unusual for me. So, it's got to be the Vitamin D acting on my system.

I'll see what kind of results I get, long term. I appreciate this

information. Have a great day...Carlene

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> A cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of

Washington recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D

instead. , MD, says " Seventy percent of doctors do not

get a flu shot. " ...

> craigfoster blog - http://www.craigfoster.com/craigfosterblog/

> Doctor Recommends Avoiding Flu Shot, Taking Vitamin D Instead ...

[Guest guest]

Clare: I am in TOTAL agreement.

S.

flu shots

Doctor Recommends Avoiding Flu Shot, Taking Vitamin D Instead

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A cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington recommends avoiding the flu shot and taking vitamin D instead. , MD, says “Seventy percent of doctors do not get a flu shot.†...

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After seeing all the *CRAP* that also goes into a flu shot along with the vaccine, I think I’ll make it my personal policy to skip out on the shots. Doctor Recommends Avoiding Flu Shot, Taking Vitamin D Instead : Eco Child’s Play.

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Welcome to the group Dog Mom,

I was not a Flu shot believer until the last two years. My DR convinced me to

take the flu shot & oh was I glad I did & will continue too. I don't know about

the Swine shot yet? I still need to discuss with my Rheumy on 9/24/09.

Again WELCOME!

Mousie in Calif.

From: alphadivatexan <jjleeds@...>

Subject: [ ] Flu shots

Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:45 AM

 

Hi everyone

I'm new to the group..

My Rheumy had me take the normal flu shot last month, and wants me to take the

Swine Flu shot when it is available...

He was pretty adamant about it....

Anytime I've ever had flu in the past, I have always ended up in the hospital

needing I.V.'s....

I'll probably be getting one soon. I live in Texas, and there was a death here

recently. An eleven year old. :-0(

Dog Mom