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The drugs many of us take supress the immune system so we are at greater risk of

develping flu. RA is an autoimmune disease that puts us in a risk category.

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> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

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I don't think the RA puts you at higher risk, I think it's being in

drugs that supress your immune system that do it. I am on mtx and

Humira, and both supress the immune system.

I asked the person where the clinic will be held on Saturday what I

should bring to show I am in a high risk group, and she said it would

not hurt to bring my prescriptions.

Jennie

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I don't think the RA puts you at higher risk, I think it's being in

drugs that supress your immune system that do it. I am on mtx and

Humira, and both supress the immune system.

I asked the person where the clinic will be held on Saturday what I

should bring to show I am in a high risk group, and she said it would

not hurt to bring my prescriptions.

Jennie

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> > > I called my family Dr. and aaked about the flu shot, they told

me

> it

> > > would be the fist week in November before they would be giving

> them

> > > out. Also said that people 65 and older would be the first ones

> to

> > get

> > > them. This is in Arkansas.

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I had one bout of the flu in my 46 years of life, and that's all it took to

wake my RA! That was almost 15 years ago, and I haven't had a pain-free day

since then. I'd give almost anything to do that winter over again!

Dennis

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> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

> get one.

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I had one bout of the flu in my 46 years of life, and that's all it took to

wake my RA! That was almost 15 years ago, and I haven't had a pain-free day

since then. I'd give almost anything to do that winter over again!

Dennis

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> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

> get one.

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I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and

that was 15 years ago. Is that better?

Dennis

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>> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

>> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

>> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

>> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

>> get one.

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I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and

that was 15 years ago. Is that better?

Dennis

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>> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

>> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

>> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

>> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

>> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

>> get one.

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According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and

often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I

was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I

always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist

recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine.

Judith

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> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

> get one.

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Hi

According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it does and

often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years ago and I

was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it, so I

always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the rheumatologist

recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine.

Judith

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> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

> get one.

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Yup. I had the reverse happen actually - timewise. I was fifteen when I had mono

and a severe case of Hong Kong flu (remember that). That was 35 years ago. I

think that and stress triggered RA when I was in college. Have been battling

some form of RA since about 1974.

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> that was 15 years ago. Is that better?

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> >> Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

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Yup. I had the reverse happen actually - timewise. I was fifteen when I had mono

and a severe case of Hong Kong flu (remember that). That was 35 years ago. I

think that and stress triggered RA when I was in college. Have been battling

some form of RA since about 1974.

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> I think I phrased that wrong. It was in my 46th year that I had the flu, and

> that was 15 years ago. Is that better?

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> >> developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the flu? I

> >> never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu twice in

> >> my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season since my

> >> dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try to

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Thanks everyone for the information. I think I'll put in a call to

my doctor and see what he suggests.

> Hi

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> According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it

does and

> often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years

ago and I

> was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it,

so I

> always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the

rheumatologist

> recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine.

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> Judith

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> > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the

flu? I

> > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu

twice in

> > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season

since my

> > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try

to

> > get one.

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Thanks everyone for the information. I think I'll put in a call to

my doctor and see what he suggests.

> Hi

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> According to the rheumatology nurse who I spoke to yesterday it

does and

> often people with RA suffers worse. I got the flu about 3 years

ago and I

> was not on DMARDs at the time and it took me weeks to get over it,

so I

> always have the flu jab now. Our surgery nurse and the

rheumatologist

> recommend that people with RA have the flu vaccine.

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> Judith

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> >

> > Yeah, I have a related question for anyone who knows. Does

> > developing RA put you at that much higher risk of getting the

flu? I

> > never bother getting flu shots because I've only had the flu

twice in

> > my entire life (47 years). This will be my first flu season

since my

> > dx, though, so I'm wondering if I should make more effort to try

to

> > get one.

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No terrorism, just a mistake at the company that makes half of the

flu vaccine for the U.S. The UK regulatory agency suspended the

company's license to make the flu vaccine because of bacterial

contamination in some lots. It's a long process to make, so another

company can't just make up the difference. Astragalus is the first

supplement in the anti-viral and anti-bacterial protocol for O.

Proberry or elderberry extract is also a good anti-viral. I'm going

to do a good month of probiotic as well to strenthen the immune

system.

> Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu

shot? Is

> there a concern that terrorists have contaminated the supply?

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> I started getting the flu shot several years ago, as someone else

described,

> they were given for free at work. I didn't mistake this action

for

> altruism, I knew they just didn't want to pay us any sick time.

But then, I didn't

> want to get the flu. I rarely get sick, so I probably didn't need

to worry

> about it, but heck, it was free. I didn't think there was a risk.

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> This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am

obtaining a

> homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once

every other week

> throughout flu season.

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> Donna

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dmurr58@... wrote:

> Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu shot?

They - and all vaccines - do damage to the immune system.

The more vaccines you use, the higher your chances of a disease that

needs the humoral side of the immune system that is suppressed when the

antibody side is over-stimulated by vaccines. It makes the later

trigger-happy and you became at risk for auto-immune diseases because

your thymus and humoral activity is suppressed and can't prevent it in

the normal way.

So you increase your risk of cancer, fibromyalgia, allergies, arthritis,

excess cortisol stress hormone (cushing's syndrome), diabetes, and a

host of other immune skewed diseases.

> This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am obtaining a

> homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once every other

week

> throughout flu season.

Much safer - an no immune system damage :-)

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

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Irene is right....about 15 years ago I went to a week long seminar in Salt Lake

about taking care of yourself in emergencies and they had a world renoun speaker

who was

a medical doctor and an expert in disease and the immune system.....she told us

to completely stay away from shots including the flu shot....they have

ingredients in them that slowly attack the immune system.....this fact is not

universally known by the general population....she said it would open ourselves

up to cancer and all other auto immune diseases.....we never had them and after

that I had to fight to keep my kids from having them....they even threatened to

keep them out of school but never did.

Anne Crow

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

dmurr58@... wrote:

> Ummm,,,sorry to be out of the loop, but what is wrong with the flu shot?

They - and all vaccines - do damage to the immune system.

The more vaccines you use, the higher your chances of a disease that

needs the humoral side of the immune system that is suppressed when the

antibody side is over-stimulated by vaccines. It makes the later

trigger-happy and you became at risk for auto-immune diseases because

your thymus and humoral activity is suppressed and can't prevent it in

the normal way.

So you increase your risk of cancer, fibromyalgia, allergies, arthritis,

excess cortisol stress hormone (cushing's syndrome), diabetes, and a

host of other immune skewed diseases.

> This year, I am no longer employed by Dr. Feelgood, so I am obtaining a

> homeopathic remedy that will come in pill form, to be taken once every other

week

> throughout flu season.

Much safer - an no immune system damage :-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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In a message dated 10/16/2004 9:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

Lucky you and the others who hear the speaker - this knowldge is well

hidden usually. Too much big money involved. I wonder how many billions

vaccines bring in annually?

I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and antidepressants.

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Maddviking@... wrote: I wonder how many billions

> vaccines bring in annually?

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> I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and antidepressants.

Oh but I am not so sure.

Every vaccine brings in billions for its manufacturer, even the little

used ones (as opposed to those pumped into pets and babies) like

Hepatitis B.

Merck makes one billion dollars a year from their Hep B vaccine alone.

The thing is that a vaccine costs nothing to make (a small fraction of a

cent) but is sold for a few hundred times that cost to the doctor or vet

(doctors pay 29 to 55 dollars each and vets pay a few dollars each; it

was only $2.50 in 1998, dunno current price.)

What's obscene is the markup and the resultant pure profit percentage.

Example: 2001 Pet stats (There are more now):

Total Number of housholds in USA 104 million

* Number of households with cats: 34.7 million

* Number of cats in these households : 73 million

* Number of households with dogs: 40 million

* Number of dogs in these households: 73 million

These are the ones which are forced to vaccinate - so 146 million dogs

and cats. At 4 vaccines each on average (kittens and puppies get way

more) annually, the drug company get pure profit of one and a half

billion a year there. Vets get more than 13 billion dollars pure profit

PER YEAR from cat and dog vaccines.

Since people vaccines are sold at a lot higher prices to doctors, there

is way more profit in those - for doctors and drug companies and

insurance companies.

Can't find a current rate but here's a 1998 cost story:

" Many people complained about the wide variation in fees charged by

doctors and clinics -- from $40 to $75 and more. The doctors and clinics

said fees varied because the cost of the vaccination varied, especially

if it was bought in single doses, which cost about $55, instead of

multi-dose packages, in which each dose costs about $29. "

Each dose includes $8 insurance cost against adverse reactions.

It's easy income for drug companies, insurance agencies, vets and

doctors because it is all profit. Other drugs are more to produce, may

need expensive procedures or ingredients - not some virus that grows

happily in a little growth medium. So the income drugs other than

vaccines is not all profit. There are manufacturing costs to subtract.

The government in reality works for the large business cartels, and has

a vested interest in maintaining the vaccine agenda. For one thing they

would have to pay out billions in compensation if they admitted vaccines

caused autism. They always say " the vaccine is safe " but they withdrew

the previous MMR vaccine when it was shown to be unsafe. It caused

deaths and, in some areas, 1 in 4,000 children developed aseptic

meningitis. In Japan it was 1 in 1,200 children in some areas.

Want the MMR vaccine - (someone asked recently on the list here?):

Out of the 90 children on that list, 24 received a vaccine called

Pluserix-MMR manufactured by Kline Beecham. It was withdrawn in the

UK because of " reports of mild transient meningitis. " " Of the

children that received Pluserix-MMR on that list, 3 died (1 after

meningitis) , 4 had meningitis symptoms, 5 epilepsy, 5 had become

autistic, 1 suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, 1 had severe urticaria

and 2 had mumps. 6 had their speech affected - forgetting language

skills they had acquired, 1 went deaf. 6 from this time suffered from

delayed development and 4 were very very disturbed. One of the deaths

was from the Guillain-Barré syndrome - where antibodies are produced

that attack the body's own cells . 7 or more suffered frequent fits or

convulsions, 1 had terrible screaming fits. Thirteen of the children on

that list received Immravax made by the French company, Merieux UK Ltd.

This was also withdrawn for the same reason as Pluserix-MMR - because of

" reports of mild transient meningitis. " . Of the children that received

Immravax; 6 became epileptic, 1 nearly died from encephalitis, 3 had

meningitis, 1 measles and 1 mumps, 5 had speech and communication

problems, 3 became slow developers, 7 had frequent fits and convulsions,

2 went into the kind of terrible screaming fits that are associated with

brain trauma.

[Ref: Jani http://www.gn.apc.org/inquirer/jabs.html]

And that's just the admitted cases.

If you sign on to autism email lists you find a whole lot more that

nobody will admit were vaccine related.

VAccines are not sweet good little things except for drug companies,

medical profession and insurance companies. And the government in tax

revenue I suppose. Nice cash cow. Comes in every year with no extra effort.

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 12:28:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

Oh but I am not so sure.

Every vaccine brings in billions for its manufacturer, even the little

used ones (as opposed to those pumped into pets and babies) like

Hepatitis B.

Yeah but most US companies quit making flu shots because they weren't making

any money and the liability risk was too high. Something the " health " people

don't want you to know about. I mean, gee, what's wrong with bypassing the

natural barrier of the skin and squirting dead viruses directly into the blood

stream?

It makes us feel good to bitch about the drug companies but they wouldn't

make a fortune if people stopped paying the prices they charge for their big

sellers like antidepressants and pain killers--and cholesterol meds. If people

were more aware of the destructiveness of these meds, things would change

overnight. To me, it's like blaming the drug dealer for the drug problem.

There's

a reason people aren't on street corners selling books for integral calculus.

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 11:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Hestia@... writes:

Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price

gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to

get one before now NEED to have one.

LOL--so true!! Why don't we all start telling people they can't be on the

BTD because there is a big shortage of intelligence?

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>>Lucky you and the others who hear the speaker - this knowldge is

well

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>>hidden usually. Too much big money involved. I wonder how many

>>billions

>>vaccines bring in annually?

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>I really don't think it's a money maker like pain pills and

>antidepressants.

Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price

gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to

get one before now NEED to have one.

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Hehehe

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 11:02:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Hestia@... writes:

Unless there is a shortage, like there is now. Talk about price

gouging!! And, of course, all those people that never bothered to

get one before now NEED to have one.

LOL--so true!! Why don't we all start telling people they can't be on the

BTD because there is a big shortage of intelligence?

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Well, I'm 'supposed-to' be waiting in line tomorrow with my Mom, to get our flu-shots.

I sure hope that we get them !

My Mom is over 80 years old, and I have Diabetes, AND chronic Hepatitis C, AND I am the primary caregiver for my Mom.

I had my doctor fax me an authorization-form to affirm my 'need' for a flu-vaccine.

HOPEFULLY, we will BOTH be able to get one this year !

If not, then it's back to the drawing-board, through GOV red-tape once again until we are both taken-care-of !

Thanks for 'listening'."Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!" Einstein, Albert "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." Einstein, Albert "A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle." Curtis, "Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may." Twain, Mark

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No flu vaccine available at my PCP office. I tried. They said last year they

got none at all. I will be searching for other means.

Sally

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Just a reminder for everone, especially those undergoing treatment, to

get a flu shot. Remember our immune systems are compromised. Bill

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