Flu shots

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Group,

> I have a question that I hope doesn't sound too stupid......I have

RA and

> have been on AP since 10/99.....Has anybody read or heard about any

negative

> results or anything against us getting a flu shot? I would

appreciate any

Since a bad reaction to one at 16, I hadnt gotton another for

decades.

Then I got asthma bad and every time i get a cold or the flu it hangs

on forever and ends up in a bad lung infection. My doctor recommended

i get them as now they are made different and unlikely to have a

reaction but the first one they would keep me there a while just to

be

sure. He also recommended that i should get two of them a year, one

in

fall and one later on. They have kept me from getting the severe flu

but occasionally I think I do get a mild case of it, which is not

unusual. I also went in and got the one time pneumonia shot for

whichever type it is that it works for. I also think now that the

reason I always got so deathly sick with flu for weeks was also my

arthritis. I would ache just terribly for such a long time, longer

than my friends ever did.

BTW after a couple years on antibiotics my asthma has improved

dramatically. In the last 8 months I have only occasionally had to

use

inhaler and in past I used it regularly around the clock as well as a

nebulizer and at one time being on oxygen full time. My doc is more

impressed with the antibiotics for asthma than he is for arthritis. I

also almost never get the fevers and flu like spells anymore and my

hands hardly ever hurt at all and they used to really hurt badly. I

take doxy MWF and lately a 12.5mg Vioxx. Last tests I had were all

normal. My sed rate was low for the first time in years. It seems to

help me with stiffness that is more problem than aching. Most of the

time my only aches are from damaged back and hip replacement and I

have fatigue. When the weather changes I do notice it and have more

aches for a day or two.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/00 10:51:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JILBAIT@...

writes:

<< On the news tonight (In CA) they stated that everyone should get a flu

shot.

But since there is not enough to go around it will only be limited to people

over 65 and PREGNANT women. WHAT???????????? >>

There was an article today in the paper about this too. A big flu shot

shortage. GASP! Then, relenza and then other drug made for flu are trying to

say that you could use them ahead of time if a flu shot is not available. I

can't remember what the side effects were,but I remember seeing them on tv

last year and the side effects seemed to be teh same things you get wheny ou

have the flu! I'd rather just have the flu!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/00 10:51:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JILBAIT@...

writes:

> On the news tonight (In CA) they stated that everyone should get a flu shot.

>

> But since there is not enough to go around it will only be limited to

> people

> over 65 and PREGNANT women. WHAT????????????

Oh, I forgot to mention. I did have the flu when I was pregnant with Brady.

It was miserable for a day or so. But, my mom and gram came and sat with me.

Made me jello. We sat around laughed talked slept. My gram died last Sept.

That's a nice memory that I have of her now. Brady and I are both healthy and

strong now. Yes, we actually did live through the FLU!!! Shocking, isn't it?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/00 4:22:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, snakken@...

writes:

<<

Pregnant women????? Did you hear right???

Any pregnant woman who would get a fu shot has to be nuts >>

I know a lot of pregnant women who have had the flu shot. When I question

most of them about it, they say they have asked the Dr. about it and the Dr.

has told them that the " worst thing it could do is protect teh baby from the

flu " . Little do they know!

[Guest guest]

At 10:44 PM 09/25/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>On the news tonight (In CA) they stated that everyone should get a flu

shot.

>But since there is not enough to go around it will only be limited to people

>over 65 and PREGNANT women. WHAT????????????

>

Pregnant women????? Did you hear right???

Any pregnant woman who would get a fu shot has to be nuts.

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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[Guest guest]

> There is a shortage of flu shots, yet every resident of Ontario Canada is

being

> offered the flu shot this year - elderly and at risk get it first, starting

> this month, and the rest of the people - SIX MONTHS AND UP!!) will be offered

> it in October. How did Ontario manage that?

>

> There was an article today in the paper about this too. A big flu shot

> shortage. GASP! Then, relenza and then other drug made for flu are trying to

> say that you could use them ahead of time if a flu shot is not available. I

> can't remember what the side effects were,but I remember seeing them on tv

> last year and the side effects seemed to be teh same things you get wheny ou

> have the flu! I'd rather just have the flu!

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, she heard right. Here in MI I've heard/seen the

same thing. Elderly, people with asthma and pregnant

women are being urged to hurry right out and get the

flu shot. Yikes!

*******************

> At 10:44 PM 09/25/2000 EDT, you wrote:

On the news tonight (In CA) they stated that everyone

should get a flu shot. But since there is not enough

to go around it will only be limited to people over 65

and PREGNANT women. WHAT????????????

> >

>

> Pregnant women????? Did you hear right???

> Any pregnant woman who would get a fu shot has to be

> nuts.

=====

Odrade ~ Mama to Aydn 5/99 and 'Bean' edd 3/01

" Whatever it may bring, I will live by my own policies, I will sleep with a

clear conscience, I will sleep in peace " ~ Sinead O'Connor

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[Guest guest]

And I will also say - many times people think they have the flu and

actually have food poisoning as the quality of food has so deteriorated!

I don't know if I've ever had the flu - can't remember once! No one I know

ever has the flu! No one I know ever gets the vaccine!

I just live on another planet I guess.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

I know 1 person who had the flu last winter and she had the flu shot (and of

course said " I can't imagine how sick I would have been without the shot "

Duh!). I thought I had the flu once, was sick as a dog for a week, turned out I

was just pregnant.

S.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> And I will also say - many times people think they have the flu and

> actually have food poisoning as the quality of food has so deteriorated!

> I don't know if I've ever had the flu - can't remember once! No one I know

> ever has the flu! No one I know ever gets the vaccine!

>

> I just live on another planet I guess.

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

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[Guest guest]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> And I will also say - many times people think they have the flu and

> actually have food poisoning as the quality of food has so deteriorated!

When I was taking microbiology in the spring my prof said that there probably

is no such thing as the 24 hour flu - it's probably all food poisoning - that's

the way some types of food poisoning manifest - quick onset and over with fast,

whereas it wouldn't make so much sense for a virus to act that way.

>

[Guest guest]

Shelby wrote:

> I know 1 person who had the flu last winter and she had the flu shot (and of

> course said " I can't imagine how sick I would have been without the shot "

> Duh!).

Everyone my partner works with gets the flu shot every year and he's the only

one

who never gets sick!

> I thought I had the flu once, was sick as a dog for a week, turned out I

> was just pregnant.

You know, there's a vaccine for that.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

Hi all ...

I got a flu shot the first winter I had Lyme, 1990, and I was sick all winter. Had bronchitis, sinus problems, extremely bad colds ... just sick for months. Haven't had a flu shot since and haven't been sick since. I haven't gotten the flu either! Personally, I'll take my chances with the flu rather than be sick with colds, sinus, bronchitis, etc. for six months.

Jean

(TX)

[Guest guest]

Dear & All,

DITTO!!!!

In a message dated 10/03/2000 12:55:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

jeand@... writes:

<< Personally, I'll take my chances with the flu rather than be sick with

colds, sinus, bronchitis, etc. for six months.

Jean

(TX)

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi

When I first got sick with Lyme, I had never had a flu shot. My Dr. said

my immune system was so shot that the flu would probably kill me.

So each year I get my shot in two doses, 1/2 each, two weeks apart. It

really helps, lets the immune system build up. He said he does that for alot

of his patients with compromised immune systems or high risk diseases.

Just my two cents. As for cold, sinus, bronchitis, pneumonia, I get it

all the time, I work in school, I should be immune to every bug out there,

but those kids sneeze and hack all over me.

Hugs to all, am lurking, but reading,

Connie, Michigan

[Guest guest]

In '99, Dr B gave me 2 half flu shots spaced about 8 weeks apart.

Rita B

[Guest guest]

Last week flu shots were offerred to all students/faculty on campus here at

University of Nevada Las Vegas. They cost $15 where they used to cost $5. The

other surprise is they are reporting meningitis is rampant on college campuses

across the country and they are offering Meningitis innoculations for $85. I am

planning on asking my hep about that one. He has advised that I received flu

shots early each year.

Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

[Guest guest]

I just got my flu shot today, doctor's office wrote it up for insurance

that my immune system is supressed, and said that the insurance (Blue

Cross) will pay for it that way, because it is medically necessary.

-Clyde

sjones@... wrote:

>

> Last week flu shots were offerred to all students/faculty on campus

> here at

> University of Nevada Las Vegas. They cost $15 where they used to cost

> $5. The

> other surprise is they are reporting meningitis is rampant on college

> campuses

> across the country and they are offering Meningitis innoculations for

> $85. I am

> planning on asking my hep about that one. He has advised that I

> received flu

> shots early each year.

>

> Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

>

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[Guest guest]

Clyde,

Thanks for the tip on the insurance, I'll ask my doctor about a flu

shot...just was diagnosed with AIH yesterday...

Beth

Re: [ ] Flu Shots

> I just got my flu shot today, doctor's office wrote it up for insurance

> that my immune system is supressed, and said that the insurance (Blue

> Cross) will pay for it that way, because it is medically necessary.

>

> -Clyde

>

>

> sjones@... wrote:

> >

> > Last week flu shots were offerred to all students/faculty on campus

> > here at

> > University of Nevada Las Vegas. They cost $15 where they used to cost

> > $5. The

> > other surprise is they are reporting meningitis is rampant on college

> > campuses

> > across the country and they are offering Meningitis innoculations for

> > $85. I am

> > planning on asking my hep about that one. He has advised that I

> > received flu

> > shots early each year.

> >

> > Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

> >

> > eGroups Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

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Clyde,

Where do you live? Flu shots not available yet here in NJ.

Shireen

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>I just got my flu shot today, doctor's office wrote it up for insurance

>that my immune system is supressed, and said that the insurance (Blue

>Cross) will pay for it that way, because it is medically necessary.

>

>-Clyde

>

>

>sjones@... wrote:

> >

> > Last week flu shots were offerred to all students/faculty on campus

> > here at

> > University of Nevada Las Vegas. They cost $15 where they used to cost

> > $5. The

> > other surprise is they are reporting meningitis is rampant on college

> > campuses

> > across the country and they are offering Meningitis innoculations for

> > $85. I am

> > planning on asking my hep about that one. He has advised that I

> > received flu

> > shots early each year.

> >

> > Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

> >

> > eGroups Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

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Shireen:

I live in land.

-Clyde

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In a message dated 10/3/2000 1:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeand@...

writes:

>

> I got a flu shot the first winter I had Lyme, 1990, and I was sick all

> winter. Had bronchitis, sinus problems, extremely bad colds ... just sick

> for months. Haven't had a flu shot since and haven't been sick since. I

> haven't gotten the flu either! Personally, I'll take my chances with the

> flu rather than be sick with colds, sinus, bronchitis, etc. for six months.

>

> Jean

> (TX)

>

Dear

I'm getting flu shots now, as I don't think my immune system could hold up to

the flu.

I have had almost none of the things you mention, certainly not the flu.

Since taking flu shots, I've had fewer colds than ever before.

I guess it affected us both differently, or maybe just coincidence?

Hugs,

a Aida

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I never had a flu shot until lyme, my doctor give me half a dose then

two weeks later the other half. It really works and gives my bad immune

system a chance to make antibodies. Haven't had any symptoms from taking the

shots that way.

Hugs to all,

Connie, MI

I do read these mails, but can't respond to all. Thanks to all who are

helping others. We have to stick together. No one understands a lymie like

a lymie.

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie,

I have a flu shot every year in one dose and I've never noticed any side

effects. I

haven't had the flu but once 20 years ago and I never want to get it again. That

pre-dates my LD.

Eileen, NJ

[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen,

Thanks, I don't want the flu either, our family had it two Chrismas's in

a row a long time ago, hope never again.

hugs,

Connie, MI

[Guest guest]

<<What do people think about flu shots? >>

I'm getting one, just as soon as my doc gets them in. Our pediatrician has

them already, I think, but my doctor did not get his yet.

What I went through last year with the flu was worse than the RA, and made

the RA worse in turn. JMHO.

Liz G. (glued to the election results also but on the internet as well,

LOL)