Re: ? on Biocidin

[Guest guest]

You can order it from biobotanicalresearch.com

Tel: 1800 775 4140 or 831 768 9529

Still waiting to use mine so any answers to 's questions will help me too

>

> Hi

> Reposting this question as I didn't see it come thru.. I am wanting to start

biocidin with my daughter(she has rett syndrome) for some bacterial overgrowth.

First attempted to try natural antimicrobial given to us by her integrative

medicine doctor called GI Microb X but since she can't swallow capsules we

opened it and tried to mix with various things but the taste is horendous (like

dirt) and burns in the mouth so not able to use it. He hasn't heard of Biocidin

before but is familiar with ingredients. I heard about it from another rett

parent. I have looked at the product website. Do you know if I can order on my

own or only with prescription?

> Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots of

downsides.

> Thank you so much

>

>

[Guest guest]

www.MandiMart.com in the UK

In a message dated 26/09/2010 13:13:03 GMT Daylight Time, culdesac2290@... writes:

You can order it from biobotanicalresearch.com Tel: 1800 775 4140 or 831 768 9529Still waiting to use mine so any answers to 's questions will help me too>> Hi > Reposting this question as I didn't see it come thru.. I am wanting to start biocidin with my daughter(she has rett syndrome) for some bacterial overgrowth. First attempted to try natural antimicrobial given to us by her integrative medicine doctor called GI Microb X but since she can't swallow capsules we opened it and tried to mix with various things but the taste is horendous (like dirt) and burns in the mouth so not able to use it. He hasn't heard of Biocidin before but is familiar with ingredients. I heard about it from another rett parent. I have looked at the product website. Do you know if I can order on my own or only with prescription?> Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots of downsides.> Thank you so much> >

[Guest guest]

It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use it for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way

HTHMandi x

In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, tlousim@... writes:

Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots of downsides

[Guest guest]

Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round for couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty pricey stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too often and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be more accurate.

Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output, quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, reduced behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now since we have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier to deal with,

Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

Good luck

Mandi x

In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time, tlousim@... writes:

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

[Guest guest]

Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round for couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty pricey stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too often and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be more accurate.

Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output, quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, reduced behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now since we have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier to deal with,

Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

Good luck

Mandi x

In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time, tlousim@... writes:

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and

when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

Thank you,

>

> It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of

> the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and

> bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use

it

> for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way

>

> HTH

>

> Mandi x

>

>

> In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time,

> tlousim@... writes:

>

> Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots

> of downsides

>

[Guest guest]

According to testing at Genova yes, not sure if this will copy and paste, see table below

What do others have to say about Advanced Formula Biocidin?

· Genova Diagnostics (previously “Great Smokiesâ€) called Advanced Formula Biocidin “…the most effective broad spectrum natural formula tested.†Genova staff routinely recommends Advanced Formula Biocidin to physicians.

· Dr. Crook, author of the book, The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough, referenced Biocidin as a treatment strategy for candidiasis.

· "The Advanced Biocidin® works systemically with little side effects and is easy for my patients to use. Compliance has definitely been better with the new formula also." Dr. Halperin, DC, Bellevue, WA

· "My patient, a male age 46, had complaints of extreme fatigue and exhaustion for many years before coming in to my office. Laboratory testing revealed inbalanced intestinal ecology, and so I suggested the Bioclear™ Program with Advanced Biocidin®. Within 90 days this patient is now feeling as he put it, 'like I have achieved a level of health and vitality I have never before experienced in my entire life.' " Dr. Kerry Alsop, D.C., Stockton, CA

“…I give Biocidin to 100% of my patients with Autism and PDD†Dr. Neubrander, MD

“Candida and Clostridia are an issue in a majority of my patients on the autistic spectrum. I regularly recommend Biocidin. â€, Dr. Seth Perl, DC

“Equally effective as the pharmaceuticals I have tried in addressing Blastocystis Hominis†, Dr. Leo Galland, MD, NY, NY

“The results speak for themselves, Bio-Botanical is to be commended for their efforts in substantiating alternative therapies†, Clinical Consulting and Microbiological Labs, Portland, OR

“I have be able to get off the antibiotics I have been taking for Lymes disease, and am getting well from the symptoms of Lymes that were persisting†, Sheila Barrera, N.J.

“For years I struggled with interstitial cystitis, and was hospitalized at the Mayo clinic. No treatments were effective and I had to take strong painkillers that made it impossible for me to take care of myself or to function. I was told about Biocidin by a naturopath and decided to try it. After several weeks the improvement was noticeable, and after 2 months I was able to stop all pain medication and resume normal activities. I feel that Biocidin gave me a new lease on life, and I recommend it to anyone with a difficult to treat condition.†H.G. 53 yr old patient, Wash. DC.

“My patient had tested positive for MRSA Staph. After 6 weeks on Biocidin her throat swab is now normal.†Dr. Anita Pride, DC, Chicago, IL

Advanced Biocidin is available in liquid or liquid-filled capsule form. Available sizes are ½ 1/2 oz, 1 oz, and 60 capsule bottles. Biocidin may also be ordered as part of the BioclearTM Cleansing Program, and is also available as Biocidin Throat Spray.

Performance

In 2000, a USP Effectiveness Test performed by A & L Analytical Laboratories, Inc.6 On Biocidin. The botanical combination was injected with several different pathogens commonly found in and on the human body, then cultured for 28 days.

The results in the table below demonstrated that the following pathogens were drastically reduced during the first 1-2 hours, and completely eliminated within 7 days, and could not re-grow colonies after 28 days.

Organisms

Initial Concentration

0 day (1-2 hours cfu/ml)

7 days

cfu/ml

14 days

cfu/ml

28 days

cfu/ml

Aspergillus niger

19750

6900

0

0

0

Candida albicans

12750

100

0

0

0

Escherichia coli

402500

100

0

0

0

Staphylococcus aureus

515000

50

0

0

0

References

1 O'Mahony, R, et al. “Bactericidal and anti-adhesive properties of culinary and medicinal plants against Helicobacter pylori.†World Journal of Gastroenterology. 11(47) (2005) 7499-507.

2 Preuss, H., Echard, B, Enig, M, Brook, I, Elliott, T. “Minimum inhibitory concentrations of herbal essential oils and monolaurin for gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria.†Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry. 272(1-2) (2005) 29-34.

3 Hammer, K., Carson, C., Riley, T. “Antifungal activity of the components of Melaleuca alternifolia (tea tree) oil.†Journal of Applied Microbiology. . 2003;95(4):853-60.

4 Kim I., et al. “In-vitro and in-vivo anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive effects of the methanol extract of the roots of Morinda officinalis.†Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology. 2005 May;57(5):607-15.

5 Mathivanan, N. “Morinda pubescens JE (Morinda tinctoria Roxb) fruit extract accelerates wound healing in rats.†Journal of Medical Food. 2006 Winter;9(4):591-3.

6 Test Performed June 22, 2000, US Pharmacopeia 23 NF18 Method 51 Effectiveness Test. A & L Analytical Laboratories, Inc. 411 North 3rd Street Memphis, TN 38105.

7 Scazzocchio, F., et al. “Antibacterial activity of Hydrastis canadensis extract and its major isolated alkaloids.†Planta Med. 2001;67(6)561-4.

8 Wilasrusmee C, et al. “Immunostimulatory effect of Silybum num “milk thistle) extract.†Medical Science Monitor. 2002;(11):BR439-43.

9 D’Auria, F., et al. “Antifungal activity of Lavandula angustifolia essential oil against Candida albicans yeast and mycelial form.†Medical Mycology. 2005;43(5):391-6.

10 Fleer, H., Verspol, E.. “Antispasmodic activity of an extract from Plantago lanceolata L. and some isolated compunds.†Phytomedicine. 2007;(PubMed- ahead of print).

Advanced Formula Biocidin is a proprietary blend of Bio-Botanical Research. Biocidin is a registered trademark of Bio-Botanical Research. All rights reserved.

*These statements have not been evaluated by the F.D.A. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

In a message dated 27/09/2010 10:28:07 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes:

Does Biocidin address staph?

From: <tlousim@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 2:00

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...Thank you,>> It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use it > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way> > HTH> > Mandi x> > > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, > tlousim@... writes:> > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots > of downsides>

[Guest guest]

According to testing at Genova yes, not sure if this will copy and paste, see table below

What do others have to say about Advanced Formula Biocidin?

· Genova Diagnostics (previously “Great Smokiesâ€) called Advanced Formula Biocidin “…the most effective broad spectrum natural formula tested.†Genova staff routinely recommends Advanced Formula Biocidin to physicians.

· Dr. Crook, author of the book, The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough, referenced Biocidin as a treatment strategy for candidiasis.

· "The Advanced Biocidin® works systemically with little side effects and is easy for my patients to use. Compliance has definitely been better with the new formula also." Dr. Halperin, DC, Bellevue, WA

· "My patient, a male age 46, had complaints of extreme fatigue and exhaustion for many years before coming in to my office. Laboratory testing revealed inbalanced intestinal ecology, and so I suggested the Bioclear™ Program with Advanced Biocidin®. Within 90 days this patient is now feeling as he put it, 'like I have achieved a level of health and vitality I have never before experienced in my entire life.' " Dr. Kerry Alsop, D.C., Stockton, CA

“…I give Biocidin to 100% of my patients with Autism and PDD†Dr. Neubrander, MD

“Candida and Clostridia are an issue in a majority of my patients on the autistic spectrum. I regularly recommend Biocidin. â€, Dr. Seth Perl, DC

“Equally effective as the pharmaceuticals I have tried in addressing Blastocystis Hominis†, Dr. Leo Galland, MD, NY, NY

“The results speak for themselves, Bio-Botanical is to be commended for their efforts in substantiating alternative therapies†, Clinical Consulting and Microbiological Labs, Portland, OR

“I have be able to get off the antibiotics I have been taking for Lymes disease, and am getting well from the symptoms of Lymes that were persisting†, Sheila Barrera, N.J.

“For years I struggled with interstitial cystitis, and was hospitalized at the Mayo clinic. No treatments were effective and I had to take strong painkillers that made it impossible for me to take care of myself or to function. I was told about Biocidin by a naturopath and decided to try it. After several weeks the improvement was noticeable, and after 2 months I was able to stop all pain medication and resume normal activities. I feel that Biocidin gave me a new lease on life, and I recommend it to anyone with a difficult to treat condition.†H.G. 53 yr old patient, Wash. DC.

“My patient had tested positive for MRSA Staph. After 6 weeks on Biocidin her throat swab is now normal.†Dr. Anita Pride, DC, Chicago, IL

Advanced Biocidin is available in liquid or liquid-filled capsule form. Available sizes are ½ 1/2 oz, 1 oz, and 60 capsule bottles. Biocidin may also be ordered as part of the BioclearTM Cleansing Program, and is also available as Biocidin Throat Spray.

Performance

In 2000, a USP Effectiveness Test performed by A & L Analytical Laboratories, Inc.6 On Biocidin. The botanical combination was injected with several different pathogens commonly found in and on the human body, then cultured for 28 days.

The results in the table below demonstrated that the following pathogens were drastically reduced during the first 1-2 hours, and completely eliminated within 7 days, and could not re-grow colonies after 28 days.

Organisms

Initial Concentration

0 day (1-2 hours cfu/ml)

7 days

cfu/ml

14 days

cfu/ml

28 days

cfu/ml

Aspergillus niger

19750

6900

0

0

0

Candida albicans

12750

100

0

0

0

Escherichia coli

402500

100

0

0

0

Staphylococcus aureus

515000

50

0

0

0

References

1 O'Mahony, R, et al. “Bactericidal and anti-adhesive properties of culinary and medicinal plants against Helicobacter pylori.†World Journal of Gastroenterology. 11(47) (2005) 7499-507.

2 Preuss, H., Echard, B, Enig, M, Brook, I, Elliott, T. “Minimum inhibitory concentrations of herbal essential oils and monolaurin for gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria.†Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry. 272(1-2) (2005) 29-34.

3 Hammer, K., Carson, C., Riley, T. “Antifungal activity of the components of Melaleuca alternifolia (tea tree) oil.†Journal of Applied Microbiology. . 2003;95(4):853-60.

4 Kim I., et al. “In-vitro and in-vivo anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive effects of the methanol extract of the roots of Morinda officinalis.†Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology. 2005 May;57(5):607-15.

5 Mathivanan, N. “Morinda pubescens JE (Morinda tinctoria Roxb) fruit extract accelerates wound healing in rats.†Journal of Medical Food. 2006 Winter;9(4):591-3.

6 Test Performed June 22, 2000, US Pharmacopeia 23 NF18 Method 51 Effectiveness Test. A & L Analytical Laboratories, Inc. 411 North 3rd Street Memphis, TN 38105.

7 Scazzocchio, F., et al. “Antibacterial activity of Hydrastis canadensis extract and its major isolated alkaloids.†Planta Med. 2001;67(6)561-4.

8 Wilasrusmee C, et al. “Immunostimulatory effect of Silybum num “milk thistle) extract.†Medical Science Monitor. 2002;(11):BR439-43.

9 D’Auria, F., et al. “Antifungal activity of Lavandula angustifolia essential oil against Candida albicans yeast and mycelial form.†Medical Mycology. 2005;43(5):391-6.

10 Fleer, H., Verspol, E.. “Antispasmodic activity of an extract from Plantago lanceolata L. and some isolated compunds.†Phytomedicine. 2007;(PubMed- ahead of print).

Advanced Formula Biocidin is a proprietary blend of Bio-Botanical Research. Biocidin is a registered trademark of Bio-Botanical Research. All rights reserved.

*These statements have not been evaluated by the F.D.A. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

In a message dated 27/09/2010 10:28:07 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1@... writes:

Does Biocidin address staph?

From: <tlousim@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 2:00

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...Thank you,>> It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use it > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way> > HTH> > Mandi x> > > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, > tlousim@... writes:> > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots > of downsides>

[Guest guest]

Its supposed to be anti fungal, anti bacterial and anti parasitic. Our anti candida diet consisted simply of removing sugar and that on its own gave us die off, that's how bad things were. I know folks here that have used bicodin for parasites and still come back with issues on testing, Nevins lad is one off the top of my head. They filmed the conference at the weekend so we need to keep checking Autism File Media Channel and check out the Mike Ash talk - was very good, I learned new things about the gut which he is researching on full time now so it has to be a very individual reason.

Whats sticks in my mind is this secretary IGA testing, he says you can reduce (or go up whichever way is the bad way) just by suffering frustration, can move it 600+ points in 24 hours. Frustrated kids are not going to get anywhere regardless of what you do unless the frustration is dealt with - spooky, scarey and oh so hard to addresss, we wouldn't have frustrated kids if it was simple to address would we? And this is another test which is just a snapshot and may give 7 vastly different results if you did it everyday for a week........sigh

Mx

In a message dated 27/09/2010 11:56:33 GMT Daylight Time, eeejay174@... writes:

this is going to sound daft but do you think you need to be on anti-candida diet for it to be effective? its just we havent been on anti-candida diet per say, we still limit yeasts and sugars but not to complete exclusion, mainly because having been on anti-candida diet for years on and off, we've never really seen anything amazing except when on scd, and tbh, we are seeing the same effect on scd from using the oxypowder.opinions?thanks emmamum to 1 dd DCD, 2 ds with asd> >> > It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One > of > > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and > > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed > to use it > > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the > way> > > > HTH> > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, > > tlousim@ writes:> > > > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots > > of downsides> >>

[Guest guest]

I guess it's time to try out biocidin:-))

From: <tlousim@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 2:00

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...Thank you,>> It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use it > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way> > HTH> > Mandi x> > > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, > tlousim@... writes:> > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots > of downsides>

[Guest guest]

I guess it's time to try out biocidin:-))

From: <tlousim@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 2:00

Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...Thank you,>> It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One of > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed to use it > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the way> > HTH> > Mandi x> > > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time, > tlousim@... writes:> > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots > of downsides>

[Guest guest]

this is going to sound daft but do you think you need to be on anti-candida diet

for it to be effective? its just we havent been on anti-candida diet per say,

we still limit yeasts and sugars but not to complete exclusion, mainly because

having been on anti-candida diet for years on and off, we've never really seen

anything amazing except when on scd, and tbh, we are seeing the same effect on

scd from using the oxypowder.

opinions?

thanks emma

mum to 1 dd DCD, 2 ds with asd

> >

> > It has been great for my son in the past (he doesn;t need it now). One

> of

> > the things I liked most is that it can address yeast parasites and

> > bacteria and e had really bad issues with all 3 at that time, we needed

> to use it

> > for 4 months to deal with all the issues but saw improvements along the

> way

> >

> > HTH

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 25/09/2010 17:11:25 GMT Daylight Time,

> > tlousim@ writes:

> >

> > Also would love to hear if this product was effective for others or lots

> > of downsides

> >

>

[Guest guest]

is terrible with oxalate's we have to check everything. I'm hearing that this is probably his problem with Vit C. He was practically reared on antibiotics. What I would love to know though is LOD going to be for life? His gut is very much healed but oxalate's remain a problem.

Vicky In a message dated 27/09/2010 16:20:36 GMT Daylight Time, drken.aitken@... writes:

Bill has done one study where he found hyperoxaluria in a high proportion of children with ASD. This can be genetic but can also be due to Xs use of antibiotics in trhe early stages of gut colonization as oxalobacter formigenes which captures oxalates from plant matter in the diet is extremely sensitive to most broad spectrum antibiotic meds. I have a number of people who have clear evidence of hyperoxaluria and a low oxalate diet can make a huge difference. (There is a chapter on this in my diet book).

Ken

[Guest guest]

my son responded negatively to biocidin and i tried re-introducing it a few

times as other parents were having great results with it. my child is not

normally a responder at all, so i was surprised, but he just can't tolerate it!

karenza

>

> Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round for

> couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty pricey

> stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too often

> and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be more

> accurate.

>

> Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, reduced

> behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now since we

> have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier to

> deal with,

> Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

>

> Good luck

>

> Mandi x

>

>

> In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> tlousim@... writes:

>

> Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it

> and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

>

[Guest guest]

my son responded negatively to biocidin and i tried re-introducing it a few

times as other parents were having great results with it. my child is not

normally a responder at all, so i was surprised, but he just can't tolerate it!

karenza

>

> Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round for

> couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty pricey

> stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too often

> and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be more

> accurate.

>

> Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, reduced

> behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now since we

> have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier to

> deal with,

> Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

>

> Good luck

>

> Mandi x

>

>

> In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> tlousim@... writes:

>

> Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use it

> and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I was at the conference too (which was great by the way!) and seem to remember

something about biocidin being high in oxalates? i may have imagined it? i did

however sit right up when Bill Shaw mentioned something else to do with

oxalates. Am posting a new thread on this cos i'm looking for advice on the LOD.

Jane

> >

> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round

> for

> > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty

> pricey

> > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too

> often

> > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be

> more

> > accurate.

> >

> > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes,

> reduced

> > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now

> since we

> > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier

> to

> > deal with,

> > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> > tlousim@ writes:

> >

> > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use

> it

> > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bill has done one study where he found hyperoxaluria in a high proportion of children with ASD. This can be genetic but can also be due to Xs use of antibiotics in trhe early stages of gut colonization as oxalobacter formigenes which captures oxalates from plant matter in the diet is extremely sensitive to most broad spectrum antibiotic meds. I have a number of people who have clear evidence of hyperoxaluria and a low oxalate diet can make a huge difference. (There is a chapter on this in my diet book).KenFrom: brownsauce66 <brownsauce66@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinTo:

Autism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 15:47

Hi

I was at the conference too (which was great by the way!) and seem to remember something about biocidin being high in oxalates? i may have imagined it? i did however sit right up when Bill Shaw mentioned something else to do with oxalates. Am posting a new thread on this cos i'm looking for advice on the LOD.

Jane

> >

> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round

> for

> > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty

> pricey

> > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too

> often

> > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be

> more

> > accurate.

> >

> > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes,

> reduced

> > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now

> since we

> > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier

> to

> > deal with,

> > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> > tlousim@ writes:

> >

> > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use

> it

> > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky,at the moment, there is no specific treatment other than a low oxalate diet that is specifically beneficial. The good news, hopefully, is that there is active work going on to produce an oxalobacter supplement which would replenish the normal gut flora and should 'cure' the majority of such cases. It is unlikely that this would be of benefit to the genetic hyperoxalurias so ideally these need to be tested for if he is hyperoxaluric.I am assuming that has been checked for Aspergillus (a fungal infection that leads to hyperoxaluria) and isn't getting access to ethylene glycol (sounds daft but antifreeze is sweet smelling and tasting and a surprising number of kids end up in A & E every year through drinking it).Hope this helps,Ken --- On

Mon, 27/9/10, MaddiganV@... <MaddiganV@...> wrote:From: MaddiganV@... <MaddiganV@...>Subject: Re: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 16:24

is terrible with oxalate's we have to check everything. I'm hearing that this is probably his problem with Vit C. He was practically reared on antibiotics. What I would love to know though is LOD going to be for life? His gut is very much healed but oxalate's remain a problem.

Vicky In a message dated 27/09/2010 16:20:36 GMT Daylight Time, drken.aitken@... writes:

Bill has done one study where he found hyperoxaluria in a high proportion of children with ASD. This can be genetic but can also be due to Xs use of antibiotics in trhe early stages of gut colonization as oxalobacter formigenes which captures oxalates from plant matter in the diet is extremely sensitive to most broad spectrum antibiotic meds. I have a number of people who have clear evidence of hyperoxaluria and a low oxalate diet can make a huge difference. (There is a chapter on this in my diet book).

Ken

[Guest guest]

I didn't do any testing someone on here years ago suggested may have an issue with oxalates so I joined LOD list and looked on the food list then eliminated, now I know to check everything new on the food list, supplements such as Milk Thistle are also out and apparently Vit C causes an oxalate issue so maybe this is why we have so much problem trying to supplement C.

Vicky In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:08:00 GMT Daylight Time, bbuyonline@... writes:

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?karenzaxxxx

[Guest guest]

I didn't do any testing someone on here years ago suggested may have an issue with oxalates so I joined LOD list and looked on the food list then eliminated, now I know to check everything new on the food list, supplements such as Milk Thistle are also out and apparently Vit C causes an oxalate issue so maybe this is why we have so much problem trying to supplement C.

Vicky In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:08:00 GMT Daylight Time, bbuyonline@... writes:

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?karenzaxxxx

[Guest guest]

Given that VSL3 can cause major issues for LOD kids and Sam had no problem with it I am assuming he doesn;t have that issue. I am sure Dr Shaw mentioned summat at the weekend but can't remember what, still all in RAM memory, no time to download my brain................it would be a urine test. Conference was filmed and wuill be going up on Autism File Media Channel s o you'll be bale to watch it there

Mandi x

In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:08:00 GMT Daylight Time, bbuyonline@... writes:

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?karenzaxxxx> >> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round > for > > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty > pricey > > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super > > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too > often > > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be > more > > accurate.> > > > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output, > > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, > reduced > > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now > since we > > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier > to > > deal with, > > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails. > > > > Good luck> > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time, > > tlousim@ writes:> > > > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use > it > > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...> >>

[Guest guest]

Given that VSL3 can cause major issues for LOD kids and Sam had no problem with it I am assuming he doesn;t have that issue. I am sure Dr Shaw mentioned summat at the weekend but can't remember what, still all in RAM memory, no time to download my brain................it would be a urine test. Conference was filmed and wuill be going up on Autism File Media Channel s o you'll be bale to watch it there

Mandi x

In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:08:00 GMT Daylight Time, bbuyonline@... writes:

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?karenzaxxxx> >> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round > for > > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty > pricey > > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super > > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too > often > > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be > more > > accurate.> > > > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output, > > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, > reduced > > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now > since we > > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier > to > > deal with, > > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails. > > > > Good luck> > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time, > > tlousim@ writes:> > > > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use > it > > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...> >>

[Guest guest]

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate

issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have

loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can

check with?

karenza

xxxx

> >

> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round

> for

> > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty

> pricey

> > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too

> often

> > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be

> more

> > accurate.

> >

> > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes,

> reduced

> > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now

> since we

> > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier

> to

> > deal with,

> > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> > tlousim@ writes:

> >

> > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use

> it

> > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There is a basic listing in my diet book and references to a couple of the low oxalate cookbooks from the US that go into a lot more detailKenFrom: za <bbuyonline@...>Subject: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 16:06

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?

karenza

xxxx

> >

> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round

> for

> > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty

> pricey

> > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super

> > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too

> often

> > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be

> more

> > accurate.

> >

> > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output,

> > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes,

> reduced

> > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now

> since we

> > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier

> to

> > deal with,

> > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time,

> > tlousim@ writes:

> >

> > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use

> it

> > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bill's lab can do urinary oxalic acid as a commercial test.KenFrom: Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...>Subject: Re: Re: ? on BiocidinAutism Treatment Date: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 18:01

Given that VSL3 can cause major issues for LOD kids and Sam had no problem with it I am assuming he doesn;t have that issue. I am sure Dr Shaw mentioned summat at the weekend but can't remember what, still all in RAM memory, no time to download my brain................it would be a urine test. Conference was filmed and wuill be going up on Autism File Media Channel s o you'll be bale to watch it there

Mandi x

In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:08:00 GMT Daylight Time, bbuyonline@... writes:

is there a way (without sending off urine) to tell if you child has an oxalate issue? i've never looked into this before with eddie as we are gaps and have loads of different veg. is there a particular food high in oxalates that i can check with?karenzaxxxx> >> > Lots of people use it all the time, higher doses as a treatment round > for > > couple of months and then lower doses for maintenance but its pretty > pricey > > stuff. We used CDSA with parasiteolgy to monitor but that's also super > > expensive and false negatives are not uncommon so I didn;t do that too > often > > and as time went on I found observing my sons behaviour and stools to be > more > > accurate.> > > > Things I looked for in my son (and later myself) improved stool output, > > quality and smell, improved behaviour, less eczema and odd rashes, > reduced > > behaviour around full moon (Parasites). We have way less issues now > since we > > have chelated for 133 rounds and the gut bugs are significantly easier > to > > deal with, > > Biobotanical Research are also very good about answering emails. > > > > Good luck> > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 27/09/2010 02:01:10 GMT Daylight Time, > > tlousim@ writes:> > > > Thank you so much for your reply. How do you determine how long to use > it > > and when it is Ok to stop? By stool tests or improved behaviors, etcc...> >>