Re: MS-13 seeks to unify

[Guest guest]

> Humans, not being as intelligent as apes in this regard, continue to

> elect handsome and pretty looking people with a winning smile and

> poor brains.

Well we can't include Hillary in on these attributes. She's got brains,

though using them to BS the public isn't the type of person I want in

charge. It wouldn't be a change at all I guess but she really rubs me

the wrong way!

Kim

[Guest guest]

> Humans, not being as intelligent as apes in this regard, continue to

> elect handsome and pretty looking people with a winning smile and

> poor brains.

Well we can't include Hillary in on these attributes. She's got brains,

though using them to BS the public isn't the type of person I want in

charge. It wouldn't be a change at all I guess but she really rubs me

the wrong way!

Kim

[Guest guest]

> Have you seen the clip where they were asked by show of hands to> indicate who flew in for the debate by private plane?

This is the transcript from the debate on that question. I suppose that the really "important people" such as these can use as much as they "need" to in order to do their "job" but the rest of us peons should just be more conservative with our energy useage. Don't get me wrong, I believe in minimizing and recycling etc.. I just hate hypocrites.

Kim

QUESTION: Hi, I'm . We're in the Bay area, in my bathroom, because this is one of the places where I use compact fluorescent light bulbs. I use these to decrease my personal energy use, and I hear politicians talking about alternative energy to delay -- to decrease our energy impact as a whole.

So my question for you is, how is the United States going to decrease its energy consumption in the first place? In other words, how will your policies influence Americans, rather than just using special light bulbs, to do this?

COOPER: Senator Gravel, how do you get Americans to conserve?

GRAVEL: Very simple, change our tax structure. Have a fair tax where people are taxed on what they spend rather than what they earn. And our tax system is totally corrupt right now.

And so if we now have a retail sales tax, you'll take this nation of ours from a consuming nation to a savings nation.

GRAVEL: And that's the most significant thing we can do to alter climate change.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Dodd?

DODD: , there are a number of things. The 50-mile-per- gallon standard is something I've advocated by 2017, that I would push hard for. Entire fleet of federal automobiles would be hybrids or electric automobiles, so we reduce even further out consumption.

But I believe I'm the only candidate here, along with Al Gore, who's called for that, is a corporate carbon tax. You've got to tax polluters. You've got to separate the price differential so that we can move away from fossil fuels that do so much damage to our environment, to our economy, to our future, to jobs in this country.

Until you deal with the issue of price, until you impose a corporate carbon tax, we will never get away from fossil fuels. It's the only way this can be achieved. You have to advocate that if you're serious about global warming.

COOPER: The question was about personal sacrifice. I just want to ask a question to...

DODD: I drive a hybrid, we have a hybrid, and we use efficient light bulbs in our homes...

COOPER: So let me just ask a question to everyone on this stage. And I know we said we wouldn't do a lot of show of hands. This is probably the only one we'll do tonight.

COOPER: How many people here a private jet or a chartered jet to get here tonight?

You're not sure?

(LAUGHTER)

RICHARDSON: Yesterday.

COOPER: Yesterday, OK.

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: Senator Gravel, what was that? You took the train?

GRAVEL: I took the train...

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: OK.

GRAVEL: And maybe one of these will give me a ride someday.

(LAUGHTER)

[Guest guest]

>> In a message dated 7/26/2007 7:13:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > 6emini@... writes:

> Yea, and I liked the one about private schools too.> > Kim> > > I didn't hear about that one. I haven't watched any of the campaign nonsense > since I was about 21 or so. Reading about their policies and such in the > paper or whatever, without all the playing to the cameras and posing is a bit > easier and allows time to think about those policies.

Here is what they said about whether their child attends/attended public or private schools, note Obama's statement about "working the system". I found it was not a problem getting my children enrolled in a gifted magnet by READING about the school and having them signed up for the test to qualify. He's way off base because the probem lies in classroom size, funding, qualified teachers and most important parent involvement.

I've also included the answers to whether or not they would work for minimum wage. HO HO HO, how amusing! I wonder how the many Americans who must work two or three jobs to make ends meet are chuckling too. :-(

For the entire transcript http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/debate.transcript/index.html

QUESTION: Hey, I'm Mike Green from Lexington, South Carolina. And I was wanting to ask all the nominees whether they would send their kids to public school or private school.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: The question is public school or private school. We know, Senator Clinton, you sent your daughter to private school.

Senator , Obama and Biden also send your kids to private school.

Is that correct?

CLINTON: No.

COOPER: No?

CLINTON: No, it's not correct.

COOPER: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

EDWARDS: I've had four children, and all of them have gone to public school. I've got two kids...

(APPLAUSE)

.... who are actually here with me in ton tonight, two kids, Emma and Jack, just finished the third grade in public school in North Carolina, and Jack just finished the first grade in public school in North Carolina.

COOPER: Senator Clinton?

CLINTON: And Chelsea went to public schools, kindergarten through eighth grade, until we moved to Washington. And then I was advised, and it was, unfortunately, good advice, that if she were to go to a public school, the press would never leave her alone, because it's a public school. So I had to make a very difficult decision.

COOPER: Senator Obama?

CLINTON: But we were very pleased she was in public schools in Little Rock.

COOPER: Senator Obama?

OBAMA: My kids have gone to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private school, because I taught there, and it was five minutes from our house. So it was the best option for our kids.

But the fact is that there are some terrific public schools in Chicago that they could be going to. The problem is, is that we don't have good schools, public schools, for all kids.

A U.S. senator can get his kid into a terrific public school. That's not the question. The question is whether or not ordinary parents, who can't work the system, are able to get their kids into a decent school, and that's what I need to fight for and will fight for as president of the United States.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: I want to ask this question of everyone.

Senator Biden?

BIDEN: My kids did go to private schools, because right after I got elected, my wife and daughter were killed. I had two sons who survived. My sister was the head of the history department. She was helping me raise my children at Wilmington Friends School.

BIDEN: When it came time to go to high school when they had come through their difficulties -- I'm a practicing Catholic -- it was very important to me they go to a Catholic school, and they went to a Catholic school.

My kids would not have gone to that school were it not for the fact that my wife and daughter were killed and my two children were under the care of my sister who drove them to school every morning.

COOPER: Congressman Kucinich?

KUCINICH: My daughter, Jackie, went to the Columbus public schools and got a great education. And I want to make sure that that commitment that sent her to public school is a commitment that will cause all American children to be able to go to great public schools.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Gravel?

GRAVEL: My children went to public school and private school, and I'm recommend that we need a little bit of competition in our system of education. Right now, we have 30 percent of our children do not graduate from high school. That is abominable, and that is the problem of both parties.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Dodd?

DODD: My daughter goes to the public school as a pre-school -- kindergarten. But I want to come back to the No Child Left Behind.

DODD: Because I think remedying this -- and I understand the applause here -- accountability is very important. This is one country -- we've got to have the best prepared generation of Americans that we've ever produced in our educational system. No other issue, in my view, is as important as this one here.

And getting the No Child Left Behind law right is where we ought to focus our attention here so that we have resources coming back to our states. You measure growth in a child. You invest in failing schools. But I would not scrap it entirely. Accountability is very important in this country. We ought not to abandon that idea.

COOPER: Let's try to stay on the topic.

QUESTION: And we're from Pennsylvania, and my question is to all the candidates, and it's regarding the national minimum wage. Congress seems to never have a problem when it comes time to give themselves a raise. But when it came time to increase the minimum wage, they had a problem.

My question to the candidates: If you're elected to serve, would you be willing to do this service for the next four years and be paid the national minimum wage?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: So, it's pretty simple, yes or no. Minimum wage, by the way, goes up tomorrow to $6.55. In 2009, it will be $7.25.

Senator Gravel, would you work for the minimum wage?

GRAVEL: Oh, yes, I would, but I would say that we don't need a minimum wage; we need a living wage. We don't have that in this country because of what they passed.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Dodd, would you work for the minimum wage?

DODD: I have two young daughters who I'm trying to educate them. I don't think I could live on the minimum wage, but I'm a strong advocate to seeing to it that we increase it at least to $9 or $10 to give people a chance out there to be able to provide for their families.

COOPER: Senator ?

DODD: That's leadership in the country.

COOPER: Senator ?

EDWARDS: Yes.

COOPER: Yes.

Senator Clinton?

CLINTON: Sure.

Senator Obama?

OBAMA: Well, we can afford to work for the minimum wage because most folks on this stage have a lot of money. It's the folks...

(APPLAUSE)

.... on that screen who deserve -- you're doing all right, compared to, I promise you, the folks who are on that screen.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

DODD: Not that well, I'll tell you, Barack.

OBAMA: I mean, we don't have -- we don't have Mitt Romney money, but...

(LAUGHTER)

But we could afford to do it for a few years. Most folks can't. And that's why we've got to fight and advocate for...

COOPER: Governor -- Governor , yes?

RICHARDSON: Yes, I would.

COOPER: OK.

Senator Biden?

BIDEN: I don't have Barack Obama money either.

(LAUGHTER)

My net worth is $70,000 to $150,000. That's what happens you get elected at 29. I couldn't afford to stay in the Congress for the minimum wage. But if I get a second job, I'd do it.

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: Congressman Kucinich?

KUCINICH: , I live in the same house I purchased in 1971 for $22,500. I think we need to increase the minimum wage and so all my neighbors can get an increase in their wages.

COOPER: So would you work for it?

KUCINICH: I would.

COOPER: OK.

KUCINICH: But I wouldn't want to...

COOPER: By the way, you'd all get overtime, too. So don't worry about that.

(LAUGHTER)

[Guest guest]

>> In a message dated 7/26/2007 7:13:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > 6emini@... writes:

> Yea, and I liked the one about private schools too.> > Kim> > > I didn't hear about that one. I haven't watched any of the campaign nonsense > since I was about 21 or so. Reading about their policies and such in the > paper or whatever, without all the playing to the cameras and posing is a bit > easier and allows time to think about those policies.

Here is what they said about whether their child attends/attended public or private schools, note Obama's statement about "working the system". I found it was not a problem getting my children enrolled in a gifted magnet by READING about the school and having them signed up for the test to qualify. He's way off base because the probem lies in classroom size, funding, qualified teachers and most important parent involvement.

I've also included the answers to whether or not they would work for minimum wage. HO HO HO, how amusing! I wonder how the many Americans who must work two or three jobs to make ends meet are chuckling too. :-(

For the entire transcript http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/debate.transcript/index.html

QUESTION: Hey, I'm Mike Green from Lexington, South Carolina. And I was wanting to ask all the nominees whether they would send their kids to public school or private school.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: The question is public school or private school. We know, Senator Clinton, you sent your daughter to private school.

Senator , Obama and Biden also send your kids to private school.

Is that correct?

CLINTON: No.

COOPER: No?

CLINTON: No, it's not correct.

COOPER: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

EDWARDS: I've had four children, and all of them have gone to public school. I've got two kids...

(APPLAUSE)

.... who are actually here with me in ton tonight, two kids, Emma and Jack, just finished the third grade in public school in North Carolina, and Jack just finished the first grade in public school in North Carolina.

COOPER: Senator Clinton?

CLINTON: And Chelsea went to public schools, kindergarten through eighth grade, until we moved to Washington. And then I was advised, and it was, unfortunately, good advice, that if she were to go to a public school, the press would never leave her alone, because it's a public school. So I had to make a very difficult decision.

COOPER: Senator Obama?

CLINTON: But we were very pleased she was in public schools in Little Rock.

COOPER: Senator Obama?

OBAMA: My kids have gone to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private school, because I taught there, and it was five minutes from our house. So it was the best option for our kids.

But the fact is that there are some terrific public schools in Chicago that they could be going to. The problem is, is that we don't have good schools, public schools, for all kids.

A U.S. senator can get his kid into a terrific public school. That's not the question. The question is whether or not ordinary parents, who can't work the system, are able to get their kids into a decent school, and that's what I need to fight for and will fight for as president of the United States.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: I want to ask this question of everyone.

Senator Biden?

BIDEN: My kids did go to private schools, because right after I got elected, my wife and daughter were killed. I had two sons who survived. My sister was the head of the history department. She was helping me raise my children at Wilmington Friends School.

BIDEN: When it came time to go to high school when they had come through their difficulties -- I'm a practicing Catholic -- it was very important to me they go to a Catholic school, and they went to a Catholic school.

My kids would not have gone to that school were it not for the fact that my wife and daughter were killed and my two children were under the care of my sister who drove them to school every morning.

COOPER: Congressman Kucinich?

KUCINICH: My daughter, Jackie, went to the Columbus public schools and got a great education. And I want to make sure that that commitment that sent her to public school is a commitment that will cause all American children to be able to go to great public schools.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Gravel?

GRAVEL: My children went to public school and private school, and I'm recommend that we need a little bit of competition in our system of education. Right now, we have 30 percent of our children do not graduate from high school. That is abominable, and that is the problem of both parties.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Dodd?

DODD: My daughter goes to the public school as a pre-school -- kindergarten. But I want to come back to the No Child Left Behind.

DODD: Because I think remedying this -- and I understand the applause here -- accountability is very important. This is one country -- we've got to have the best prepared generation of Americans that we've ever produced in our educational system. No other issue, in my view, is as important as this one here.

And getting the No Child Left Behind law right is where we ought to focus our attention here so that we have resources coming back to our states. You measure growth in a child. You invest in failing schools. But I would not scrap it entirely. Accountability is very important in this country. We ought not to abandon that idea.

COOPER: Let's try to stay on the topic.

QUESTION: And we're from Pennsylvania, and my question is to all the candidates, and it's regarding the national minimum wage. Congress seems to never have a problem when it comes time to give themselves a raise. But when it came time to increase the minimum wage, they had a problem.

My question to the candidates: If you're elected to serve, would you be willing to do this service for the next four years and be paid the national minimum wage?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: So, it's pretty simple, yes or no. Minimum wage, by the way, goes up tomorrow to $6.55. In 2009, it will be $7.25.

Senator Gravel, would you work for the minimum wage?

GRAVEL: Oh, yes, I would, but I would say that we don't need a minimum wage; we need a living wage. We don't have that in this country because of what they passed.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Senator Dodd, would you work for the minimum wage?

DODD: I have two young daughters who I'm trying to educate them. I don't think I could live on the minimum wage, but I'm a strong advocate to seeing to it that we increase it at least to $9 or $10 to give people a chance out there to be able to provide for their families.

COOPER: Senator ?

DODD: That's leadership in the country.

COOPER: Senator ?

EDWARDS: Yes.

COOPER: Yes.

Senator Clinton?

CLINTON: Sure.

Senator Obama?

OBAMA: Well, we can afford to work for the minimum wage because most folks on this stage have a lot of money. It's the folks...

(APPLAUSE)

.... on that screen who deserve -- you're doing all right, compared to, I promise you, the folks who are on that screen.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

DODD: Not that well, I'll tell you, Barack.

OBAMA: I mean, we don't have -- we don't have Mitt Romney money, but...

(LAUGHTER)

But we could afford to do it for a few years. Most folks can't. And that's why we've got to fight and advocate for...

COOPER: Governor -- Governor , yes?

RICHARDSON: Yes, I would.

COOPER: OK.

Senator Biden?

BIDEN: I don't have Barack Obama money either.

(LAUGHTER)

My net worth is $70,000 to $150,000. That's what happens you get elected at 29. I couldn't afford to stay in the Congress for the minimum wage. But if I get a second job, I'd do it.

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: Congressman Kucinich?

KUCINICH: , I live in the same house I purchased in 1971 for $22,500. I think we need to increase the minimum wage and so all my neighbors can get an increase in their wages.

COOPER: So would you work for it?

KUCINICH: I would.

COOPER: OK.

KUCINICH: But I wouldn't want to...

COOPER: By the way, you'd all get overtime, too. So don't worry about that.

(LAUGHTER)

[Guest guest]

> > I've never liked her in the first place.

She thinks she's so witty, this made me want to gag.

Kim

QUESTION: Good luck. And, whoever becomes the nominee, I'm pulling for you.

QUESTION: Go Democrats!

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: The question is for Senator Clinton.

CLINTON: Well, I think it is a problem that Bush was elected in 2000.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: I actually thought somebody else was elected in that election, but...

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: Obviously, I am running on my own merits, but I am very proud of my husband's record as president of the United States.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: You know what is great about this is look at this stage and look at the diversity you have here in the Democratic Party. Any one of us would be a better president than our current president or the future Republican nominee.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: So I'm looking forward to making my case to the people of this country...

COOPER: Time.

CLINTON: ... and I hope they will judge me on my merits.

[Guest guest]

" Well we can't include Hillary in on these attributes. She's got

brains, though using them to BS the public isn't the type of person

I want in charge. It wouldn't be a change at all I guess but she

really rubs me the wrong way! "

I live in her hometown and went to her high school. Not many people

here are going to vote for her. The way we figure, if she grew up

here, what the hell is she doing being a senator in some other

state?

Those of us who live in this town are God-fearing republicans.

Clinton is a Democrat, so that is one strike against her. The other

strike she has going for her is that she stuck by her hubby during

impeachment proceedings after he was found guilty on a couple of

things. How can a woman support a dishonest man and still be God-

fearing? So strke two. The third strike has to do with the Iraq war.

She supported sending the troops over there without asking what the

plan was, and now she is shouting to bring them home. Well, why

doesn't she shout at herself for being a " Yes-Woman " ?

She drops in now and then and eats at the Pickwick Cafe downtown

which is right on the corner of three major intersecting streets.

The residents hate it when she stops in for a bit because the

security makes it difficult to get around. I think the restaurant

has a hamburger named after her now, but I have no idea how it sells.

Mr. Carlson, my history teacher in high school, also taught Hillary.

There was an article in the paper about Carlson when he retired and

they asked him if he thought Hillary would make a good president. He

skirted the issue and never gave a straight answer.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" CLINTON: Obviously, I am running on my own merits, but I am very

proud of my husband's record as president of the United States. "

Here is what Hillary Clinton must be proud of:

-Allegedly had an affair with Jeniffer Flowers.

-Allegedly had an affair with Lewinski during which he

received oral sex in the oval office.

-Also, there was the " Whitewater Affair. "

-Bombed Iraq as a distraction during the voting during his

impeachment trial.

-Outsourced millions of manufacturing jobs to China when he

negotiated a trade contract with them.

Etc.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" CLINTON: Obviously, I am running on my own merits, but I am very

proud of my husband's record as president of the United States. "

Here is what Hillary Clinton must be proud of:

-Allegedly had an affair with Jeniffer Flowers.

-Allegedly had an affair with Lewinski during which he

received oral sex in the oval office.

-Also, there was the " Whitewater Affair. "

-Bombed Iraq as a distraction during the voting during his

impeachment trial.

-Outsourced millions of manufacturing jobs to China when he

negotiated a trade contract with them.

Etc.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

You've got to love this Populist "raise the minimum wage" routine. It would be great if people would realize that only about 5% of the US workforce get minimum wage and most of them aren't there for long, either being promoted or moving to another job. Yes, there are some true stories about people stuck there, but that is exception that proves the rule. If they raise the minimum wage, what will happen is that more of the very people they claim to be helping, those without skills or education, will be bumped out of jobs. That will happen because businesses won't be able to afford to keep as many of them on payroll and more qualified people will find the jobs worth taking. Since those people would likely be more productive, the lower skilled and educated will really be in a bind.

A number of localities, like San Francisco have raised the minimum wages. There were stories, ones that didn't make the mass media, about small businesses and others, who had to let people go because they could no longer afford to pay them. I fail to see how forcing a company with 12 employees to fire 3 to meet the new minimum wage requirements, is beneficial. Sure the remaining 9 get a little more money, but there are now 3 with nothing.

San Francisco and some other places are really funny anyway. They claim to be all about inclusion and all that, but they have restrictions on land use that price property out of the hands of all but the wealthiest. In most places, the value of the building in greater than the value of the land. In San Fran and some other places, it is the other way around, with the land being worth several times the value of the house. The result is that the people in those places become a higher concentration of rich, and largely white, people, as everyone else is driven out by the prices. You never hear about that though.

It is also funny how evasive all of their answers were. Obama had that one exchange talking about the people on the screen needing the minimum wage hiked. That was good theatre. He's been groomed well. Too bad those very people don't understand that they will be the ones hurt by such an increase.

If they really want to help those people, there are three steps that would do it.

First, deal with immigration. As long as there is a steady flow of workers willing to work dirt cheap, there will be a downward pressure on the lowest end of wages. That will only get worse as more and more businesses are forced to hire them because their competitors have done so and they can't compete.

Second, They need to encourage manufacturing to return to the US. Those high wage jobs will spurn the creation of more service industry jobs, and in turn, those jobs will be able to pay more.

Third, they need to encourage marriage. This can be done through remove the tax penalty and death taxes, among other things. For example: amongst whites the percentage of families living in poverty is about 9%. Furthermore: white families with a single mother as head of household, about 25% of them are in poverty, while only 6% of married couples, with children, live in poverty. For blacks it about 45% and 9% respectively. Clearly there is a difference there.

I don't expect to see any of this from either party, however. In the first case, they want the Hispanic vote and won't so anything that might anger it and turn it away, as if the Hispanic vote were monolithic and would all go one way or the other. Polls show that a large number of Hispanics want the border controlled. Shows how ignorant pols can be.

In the second case, the corporations are making too much money overseas, and given the demographics of India and China, they don't really care so much about the US anymore as the focus of the money making is shifting over there. The labor unions here in the US are also a disincentive and will very likely soon sink several car manufactures. This is one reason so many foreign manufacturers have built in the South, where right to work states are the norm. Toyota, for example, pays its labor force one par with Ford and the others, but it does not have the huge legacy costs forced on Ford by the unions and so is doing rather well.

In the third case, any pol that speaks in favor of traditional marriage will find themselves hounded by a number of vocal and sometimes dangerous interest groups. This would really be true of the Democrats. So again, even though it would reduce poverty and crime, this won't happen either.

A big problem with the US government is that as far back as the French and Indian War, its solution has been to throw money at a problem, rather than put forth the serious effort to find the right answer. We have spent $11 trillion on poverty programs since the 1960's. At first, the poverty rate dropped from about 20% to around 10% where it has stabilized. It has been at 10% for over 30 years. Obviously money alone isn't solving the issue. If you look at the numbers I mentioned above, and consider that most poverty programs were hostile to marriage, you can see where much of the problem lies.

Again, what does this have to do with AS? Well, there are many out there who are pushing for special disability programs for AS. I don't see how going on the Dole is going to improve their lives any, however. Sure, there might be some who will never be able to advance beyond that, but most I'm sure would respond to training and education on how to get along in the workplace, especially if they could be matched to jobs and were willing to make an effort. My fear is that the pressure groups will get us labeled as "welfare cases" and worse, which will only hurt us in the long run.

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Yeah, MS-13 is the deadliest gang in America. It was originally composed of Salvadoran guerillas who moved to the southwest. Intelligence Report talks about their gang too. Intelligence report has a lot of good stuff on white supremacist hate groups, mara salvatrucha-13, black crimes, and cult leaders. The thing about ms-13 is that they don't understand the remainder of america. They're going to get squashed by the military or someone else if they're arrogant enough to try to openly organize. Hell, there was an old man who was being cussed at the other day by a road rage driver. The old man shot him cold. We have plenty of people who will stand up for themselves. Just yesterday a road rage idiot tried to call me stupid and get away with it. I told him in no uncertain terms where he could go and what he could do. Hint: it involved myself cussing at him and telling him to get out of his suburban. Then he got defensive about why I called him that name. I told him don't

call me stupid and I won't call you that name. Then he said that he can say whaterver..... So I called him that name again. He was so mad he couldn't even talk straight. He was shooting out cusswords from his window and there were drivers everywhere watching his idiotic display. The light turned green and cars started honking. I motioned over to him saying why don't you go? Then I followed him just enough for him to want to get out of his car. He turned into the store parking lot and I got away without him seeing that my mom's scooter had an out of date license. Anyway, during the middle of this exchange of hate I said, "so, what just because you have a gun, you think that makes you a man"? I'm thinking someone got that idiot's license and reported him. And all because I was going out of the parking lot quickly while he was zooming down the road thinking that I wouldn't have stopped to look. Oh well. THe point is that more and more people stick up for themselves.

However, one sad thing is there was a 14 yr. old girl who was beaten up by a bully and later got revenge. The girl later stabbed the worthless aggressor, killing her on the spot. That's not the unfortunate thing. This innocent 14 yr. old who couldn't take bullcrap was sent to life in prison. VISIGOTH@... wrote: This article doesn't really state it, but many in this gang are illegal

immigrants. This gang could turn out to be worse than the mafia. First off, they are much more brutal and violent than the mafia. Second, the mafia lost power as the Italian-American community became just American. That took away a lot of the cover the mafia depended on. The Hispanic community, on the other hand, is growing and more and more of it is not bothering to assimilate. That means the gangs will have strong base. PC is on their side too, and cowardly politicians. As it is, the numbers stated in this article are low compared to what I have seen in other sources. There are probably 15,000 of them in the Washington DC and surrounding area alone. MS-13 gang seeks to unite nationwide By Sara A. July 25, 2007 The international street gang MS-13 is unifying its violent members across the U.S., including the D.C. area, attempting to strengthen its

criminal operation by creating a single organization. "Traditionally, the gang consisted of loosely affiliated groups known as cliques; however, law enforcement officials have reported increased coordination of criminal activity among Mara Salvatrucha cliques in the Atlanta, Dallas, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and New York metropolitan areas," states a confidential letter sent out earlier this month from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of Illinois. "MS-13 is attempting to become a unified criminal enterprise operating under one leadership." The Washington Times has obtained a copy of the letter and an Army intelligence presentation on the growth of MS-13, or Mara Salvatrucha. Federal law-enforcement agents say the gang is adopting tactics used by major Mexican and Colombian drug-trafficking groups and has become a gun-for-hire for many major Central and South American drug-trafficking cartels. "Indications that previously independent cliques are forming alliances with other MS-13 cliques, as well as with other gangs to facilitate criminal activity, further heighten the threat," the letter continued. "It would be dangerous to look at MS-13 as just another street gang." Agents for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) say that the gangs' tactics are terroristic but question whether the small groups can unify under one leader. "These gang members are some of the most brutal people we have ever encountered," said a DEA intelligence officer on the condition of anonymity. "Whether they are unifying, well that's more difficult to tell. In some cases yes and in other cases no. "But a unified criminal enterprise between all groups — it could happen. We'll have to wait and see. What we know is that they're getting stronger." According to the DEA, the gangs' major source of income is narcotics and arms

trafficking. Human trafficking and extortion also are becoming lucrative enterprises for them, the DEA agent said. MS-13, which began as a Los Angeles street gang, is responsible for thousands of killings and mutilations in the United States, Mexico and Central America. MS-13 rival gang Mara 18, based in El Salvador, is just as violent and recruited more members internationally, said detective Word of Gaithersburg, president of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Gang Investigators Network. "While showing some regional alignment between cliques," Mr. Word said. "MS-13 is still showing no signs that it is unifying nationally or transnationally ... There is just no one leader or even a group of leaders." But others on the federal level disagree. The letter and presentation suggest that MS-13 has an estimated 96,000 members internationally. "Mara Salvatrucha members typically are Salvadoran nationals or first-generation

Salvadoran-Americans; however, many cliques in the United States now accept members from Belize, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Mexico," the letter stated. There are an estimated 20,000 members associated with 125 cliques in the U.S. alone. As of 2003, DEA and FBI officials have located groups in 30 states, plus the District. Although the group began as a small street gang in Los Angeles, it spread quickly to El Salvador as many illegal alien members were deported from the U.S. for criminal activity. Many of those deported began to recruit new members throughout Central America. The viciousness of the gang killings is displayed in a U.S. Army intelligence presentation which included graphic photos. One photograph shows the Roman numerals for 18 carved into, and then slashed over, the severed head of a Salvadoran woman suspected of Mara 18 ties. A second photo shows a dismembered baby lying in brush. "They

can function as networks, with extensive transnational linkages," the Army presentation stated. "Their internal functions include recruiting, logistics, attacks, intelligence [collecting and propaganda], and activities including murders, drugs, extortion and others." The Salvadoran Policia National Civil recognize MS-13 as "organized crime" and they leave death in their wake with hundreds, if not thousands, of killings from El Salvador to the U.S. annually. On Monday, Ramos Velasquez of Baltimore, an MS-13 gang member, was sentenced to 37 years in prison, followed by five years of supervised release for conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to participate in a racketeering enterprise, and conspiracy to commit assaults with a deadly weapon. "This sentence should serve as a warning to young people who are tempted to join gangs like MS-13, that you may pay for that decision for the rest of your life," said

U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein. "Federal, state and local authorities will continue to work together to combat violent gangs in land." Velasquez is one of 14 MS-13 members who have been convicted in this Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act conspiracy case. MS-13 is also the largest gang in Northern Virginia and groups associated with the gang are growing in Montgomery County, Md., as well, said Virginia state Sen. T. Cuccinelli II, Fairfax County Republican. "At my level of government, what frustrates me the most is that so many people stand in the way of tough policies against illegal immigration," Mr. Cuccinelli said. "They either ignore it or don't understand the connection to public safety, security and the community's well-being." Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.

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> First, deal with immigration. As long as there is a steady flow of

workers

> willing to work dirt cheap,

If you dealt with world food distribution and debt, there would no

longer be a steady flow of workers willing to work dirt cheap. As

businesses don't admit publicly that they like having such a steady

flow, and like having enough anti-innigration feeling to keep the

workers desperate and illegal so they won't stand up for themselves,

there should be nicely no business opposition to putting an end to

the situation.

> Second, They need to encourage manufacturing to return to the US.

The way to do that is to end the sweatshop economy in parts of Asia.

In turn, the easy to do tht is to end the global financial reasion

for those countries to feel desperate + have a sweatshop economy.

There should be nicely no business opposition to this either.

>

> Third, they need to encourage marriage. This can be done through

remove the

> tax penalty and death taxes, among other things.

This is good. have no assumptions that wives are depednent in any

way. There should be nicely no business opposition to this from men.

Again, what does this have to do with AS? Well, there are many out

there who

> are pushing for special disability programs for AS.

Can't special disability programs avoid, simultaneously, the need

for the dole and the need for a viable place in a cutthroat economy

designed to frown on + penalise any communicative difficulty.

My

> fear is that the pressure groups will get us labeled as " welfare

cases " and

> worse, which will only hurt us in the long run.

I like my supported work in a vegetable garden, because every time

there is a logistical problem with following instructions or we get

in each other's way, we are treated far more tolerantly than we

would be in a normal job and we get to say our piece. Yet in theory

it is supposed to be restoring our readiness for normal jobs. I see

it as proving the practicality of a mnority need for something

different, something more planned and less competitive than suits

tough guys.

Instead of fighting to make the whole economy either capitalist or

socialist, it would be practical towards everyone to have capitalist

and socialist segments of the economy exist alongside each other +

you would work in whichever you felt better in by character.