Should liver life be used before start biocidin?

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Hi,

Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and things got

harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight, lots of

spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year ago we

were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr. homemade

goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where motility

slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room that

time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

Is this in your experience what works best?

[Guest guest]

i would, liver life helps the body clear out toxins as well as bowel motility, I

know exactly what you mean, I have a very constipated boy who was using movicol,

sodium picolinate, senna and liquid paraffin, we've managed to stop all that

with regular use of oxypowder, but we did scd, and we had terrible problems when

we first introduced the yogurt too as it bound him up instantly with the die

off, we have been using liver life 2 weeks now, and general bowel motility is

definately improving, oxypowder is clearing him out, but we'd like to reach a

stage where the liverlife is helping his body do the job. I'd certainly look at

liverlife, then cytoflora, then add in biocidin, hth

emma

mum to 1 dd with dcd, 2ds with asd

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> Hi,

> Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and things

got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight, lots of

spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year ago we

were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr. homemade

goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where motility

slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room that

time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

> Is this in your experience what works best?

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Thank you so much for your input. It is so helpful to hear that you have had

similiar experience with the goat yogurt and that is not just my imagination

that the die off could be the reason for like you said " bound bowels up

instantly " . When we were on the SCD, we backed off the yogurt for a few months

and reintroduced and the same thing happened and we ended up in the emergency

room again. Also when we've tried various probiotics in the past, her bowels

shut down as well. How much of the liver life are you on now? Any die off or

other symptoms from it? Also does the oxypowder give your son any cramping? My

daugther is sensitive to products that cause cramping. We never have tried it

and would be interested in it. Where can you purchase it from? Can you use it

same time as liver life?

As far as order of introducing these products: Liver life first. Does it

matter if biocidin or cytoflora comes next. I thought maybe the biocidin should

come before the cytoflora to kill off the overgrowth of 2 bacterial pathogens my

daughter has (she doesn't have yeast) and then the cytoflora to put good things

back in that she is defificent in. So good to talk with you on this!!

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> > Hi,

> > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and things

got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight, lots of

spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year ago we

were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr. homemade

goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where motility

slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room that

time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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[Guest guest]

hi again,

i think liverlife and cytoflora work synergistically (if thats a word)with each

other, i think they sort of work in harmony, from what I gather, you introduce

liverlife for 2 weeks, (we are up to 5 drops twice a day), we are adding in

cytoflora on thursday, and increase by 1 drop a day - for both,

heres a link to their pages:

http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/where-do-i-start/detox-protocols/kids-corner/d\

efault.aspx

not sure about ndf as I have heard very mixed reveiws on that 1 but I've only

heard good stuff about liverlife and cytoflora. We found that it does loosen

the bowels so if we tried to increase too quickly say by 2 drops a day as

opposed to 1, we had looser bowels, so we have followed the instructions to the

letter since and so far, (touchwood) we have had no problems.

Yep it took ds1 2 enemas after the yogurt to get things going again.

We buy our oxypowder from mandimart - she also stocks the liverlife and

cytoflora. As regards, oxypowder I asked ds1 his opinion on the cramping and he

said he never cramped, just had nice big poops. you start with a 'clear out'

where you take 4 tablets in the eveing with water and a drop or 2 of fresh

lemon, you should have 3-5 bms the following day, if you don't, you increase by

2 caps the following night,and so on until the desired effect is acheived, you

take this 'dose' for 7 days, this allows the bowel to clear, then you take just

1 cap every night, my ds1 now has a poop twice a day, the difference in him is

remarkable, I even remarked that hes like when he was on scd, there was so much

more clarity and maturity, plus hes not in pain any more, nor is having to deal

with the anti-social side effects of all those laxatives, including that orange

oil staining his pants from the paraffin, not what a 12yr old boy needs in the

changing rooms.

We satrted with the oxypowder to cleanse his bowel, we then introduced the

liverlife, I'm hoping that at his optimum dose, he'll no longer need the

oxypowder. We''ll then add in cytoflora as its quite pathogenic anyway and will

start the cleansing process of nasty microbes as well as supplying it with nicer

probiotics, then when some healing has occured, and the liver is detoxing

nicely, we'll add in the biocidin, I get the impression the biocidin is quite

strong, so I want the childrens bowels to be prepared for that to go in.

gosh sorry to write so much, hope this is of some help, good luck

emma xx

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> > > Hi,

> > > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and

things got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight,

lots of spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year

ago we were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr.

homemade goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where

motility slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room

that time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

Your help is immeasurable!!! It gives me great hope that this could be on the

right path to help our daughter (age 22, Rett syndrome). It sounds like then I

should get some oxypowder and start with that first for the first week and then

you go on a maintenace dose of 1 capsule after that. Is that correct? Can the

capsules be mixed in applesauce or crushed? My daughter is not able to swallow

pills. She also is totally dependent on enemas and digital stimulution to pass

stool. Also what are some guidelines to know when healing is occuring and the

liver is detoxing better as you mentioned to move onto the biocidin? I am so

glad that this had proven to be helpful for your children!!

S.

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> > > > Hi,

> > > > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and

things got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight,

lots of spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year

ago we were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr.

homemade goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where

motility slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room

that time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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[Guest guest]

hi i just want to say that cytoflora and ll do work together well we have been

doing this for 4 months now i dont think its wize to put biocidin anywhere

near bioray products and if you are still using them i suggest you do them at

the pm and the bioray in the am, biocidin is only for a few weeks normally but

the ll and cytoflora can be ongoing we have seen massive improvements on both

with personality confidence and halved our ige from, 950 to 575 in in 6 months

intially that was back in jan...isobel

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> > > > Hi,

> > > > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and

things got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight,

lots of spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year

ago we were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr.

homemade goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where

motility slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room

that time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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[Guest guest]

ps we have done ll for 16 months...

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> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and

things got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight,

lots of spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year

ago we were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr.

homemade goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where

motility slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room

that time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thank you so much for this information. We will go with the liverlife first and

add in the cytoflora then. Would the biocidin not even be needed at all then at

some point to get rid of the overgrowth she has of 2 bacterial pathogens:

morganella morganii and proteus vulgaris or would the cytoflora help get rid of

them and would it also boost her low levels of lactobacillus species,

escherichia coli and bifidobacterium?

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> > > > > Hi,

> > > > > Started biocidin a week ago at just 1 drop in morning and evening and

things got harder for my daughter. Hardly any stool output, curled up tight,

lots of spitting/heavy drooling, in distress. So stopped the biocidin. A year

ago we were on the specific carbohydrate diet and when introduced the 24 hr.

homemade goat yogurt at just 1/4 tsp. the same type of thing happened where

motility slowed way down and little stool output. Ended up in the emergency room

that time. Wondering if this could be because of die off clogging everything up.

Talked to representative at bioray where we bought cytoflora that we started a

couple days after the biocidin but stopped also. She recommended that we stop

and start first with Liver life as this would help bowel motility and get things

moving better, then reintroduce the biocidin.

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