Re: Harry Potter Predictions?

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1, 2) I don't think he is truly dead either. There were too many clues that he wasn't. How he will return or what he will do, I don't know. I think Snape has always been a double agent working against Voldemort. His memory is probably magically modified or protected so he can get away with it.

3) Agree

4) Someone else will die, but just who is an open question. Probably Snape for being found to be a double agent or Dumbledore. Could also be one of Ron's brothers or father.

5) Agree, unless one of them dies.

6) Or he could hook up with that Asian girl, whatever her name is.

7) Possibly. I have heard rumor that there will be another book in the series, so maybe that will be the grounds for it.

Of course, it never made sense to me that they would leave such dangerous people as the death eaters alive, especially since Voldemort was strongly suspected to still be alive. The Malfoy family and others should have been wiped out to the last seed. Then again, perhaps they were left so that the enemy could be watched and that Voldemort would pop up in an expected place rather than some place else. That doesn't seem likely though since they all seemed genuinely surprised that he was back and he was always several steps ahead of them. If they had such survelliance, they could have gotten him while he was back, but weak and just mass attacked him. even if they couldn't kill him, they could have taken him and put him somewhere until Harry was strong enough to do the deed, if that is his role.

Also, wiping them out would make it harder to tell the story, what with most of the bad guys dead from the outset.

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In a message dated 7/15/2007 7:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

However, I can remember that in the very beginning of this Harry Potter craze, Rowling waffled. She started out by saying that Harry Potter originated as a bunch of stories she would tell her kid(s) at bedtime. But then she once said that the books were not meant for kids but were meant for adults. That explains why it is the first book seems so fairy-tale like and the successive books are more enjoyable to adults. It also explains why there was no extermination of the death eaters and why it is that the extermination of the death eaters appehars to be the goal now. TomAdministrator

Many such stories did start out as for the author's children, but were modified when put into book form. Alice in Wonderland is an example. Others, like the Wizard of Oz, where meant for adults because it was really political satire of politics in the Midwest of the time, but most people didn't get it and thought it was for kids because it had a wizard in it.

Lots of good stories in the Science Fiction and Fantasy genres were condemned to the children's section, even though they weren't for children at all. Try reading some of 's original Conan series. Lots of violence and some sex and drinking much booze: not kiddie fair. Most of the others were likewise not for children.

It should have been easy to sort out the Deatheaters since, if I recall correctly, they all had a mark.

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Rowling has tried to make an excuse for this common complaint that

readers have by saying that the wizzard courts could not prove the

affiliations certain members of the community had with the death

eaters. So those strongly suspected of being death eaters were

allowed to roam freely. It was a risk they could afford to take

since supposedly, none was as strong as Voldemort nor were they

collectively as strong as Voldemort. And if they obeyed wizzard

laws, then there was nothing bad about letting a bad wizzard go good.

However, I can remember that in the very beginning of this Harry

Potter craze, Rowling waffled. She started out by saying that Harry

Potter originated as a bunch of stories she would tell her kid(s) at

bedtime. But then she once said that the books were not meant for

kids but were meant for adults. That explains why it is the first

book seems so fairy-tale like and the successive books are more

enjoyable to adults.

It also explains why there was no extermination of the death eaters

and why it is that the extermination of the death eaters appehars to

be the goal now.

Tom

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Of course, it never made sense to me that they would leave such

dangerous people as the death eaters alive, especially since

Voldemort was strongly suspected to still be alive. The Malfoy

family and others should have been wiped out to the last seed. Then

again, perhaps they were left so that the enemy could be watched and

that Voldemort would pop up in an expected place rather than some

place else. That doesn't seem likely though since they all seemed

genuinely surprised that he was back and he was always several steps

ahead of them. If they had such survelliance, they could have gotten

him while he was back, but weak and just mass attacked him. even if

they couldn't kill him, they could have taken him and put him

somewhere until Harry was strong enough to do the deed, if that is

his role.

Also, wiping them out would make it harder to tell the story, what

with most of the bad guys dead from the outset.

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>

> The new book is slated for release.

>

> Here are my predictions:

>

> 1) Dumbledore did not die in the last book. Instead, Snape and

> Dumbledore exchanged polyjuice portion throughout the book, and

> Dumbledore really " killed " Snape at the end. (As to whether or not

> Snape was REALLY dead, and as to WHOSE body the funeral was for, who

> can say?)

>

> 2) Dumbledore (still appearing like Snape) ran off at the end of the

> book to infiltrate Voldemort's syndicate and try to sabotage

> everything within, and to get close to Voldemort for a final

> confrontation.

I doubt either of these. Too much seems to balance on Harry pressing on despite

irrevocable loss, which is part of marturing. Throwing in a miraculous survivial

by

Dumbledore would destroy that. Deus ex machina never works.

>

> 3) Regardless, something will go wrong and Harry will wind up having

> to battle Voldemort. " Love " will somehow be used to kill Voldemort.

Of course. It wouldn't make sense to build up Harry as a pivotal protagist only

to make

him unnecessary for resolving the stories' main conflict. That would violate the

story-

structure elements one normally learns in eighth grade.

>

> 4) Someone else will die in the story. Most likely Snape, who will

> reappear in some guise or form ever loyal to Dumbledore before he is

> killed a second time.

Possible. I think Snape will be revealed as far less antagonistic to Harry that

he seems

outwardly. Lots of conflict between Harry and Snape seems choreographed. When

Snape is

teaching Harry how to shield his mind from snooping (I forget the word for it),

we see

Snape removing a specific memory first through the Pensieve, supposedly so Harry

won't

see the memory. We know that Harry has used the Pensieve before. Even if Snape

didn't

know that Harry knew what the Pensieve was, if he really wanted to hide a memory

from

Harry, why did he (a) remove it while Harry watched and ( leave Harry in the

room with

the Pensieve afterward? Come off it: no kid, under those cirmstances, is going

to be able

to resist looking into the Pensieve, whether or not he knew what it was!

Curiosity is too

endemic to anyone under 21. Snape could have easily removed the memory and then

given Harry the extra training somewhere far away from where he hid it. I submit

that

Harry was supposed to look into it, by manipulation very carefully planned by

Dumbledore

and Snape, if not by others as well.

>

> 5) Ron and Hermione will announce some sort of union.

That one's obvious. They were sounding like an old married couple in book 4.

>

> 6) Harry willl remain single with a romance with Ginny implied but

> left up in the air.

>

> 7) Malfoy will either A) Die, or somehow assume Voldemort's power,

> paving the way for Harry and Ron as aurors to hunt him down in

> future novels.

I think Harry is being set up to become the youngest Defense Against the Dark

Arts

professor in the history of Hogwarts. I don't think J. K. Rowling is planning on

more than

seven novels. Seems to me I heard about someone quoting her as otherwise having

to

write about him until he was a grouchy, old grandfather, which she really didn't

want to

do.

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Hi all... I have been gone for a while but thought I'd drop back in

to see what's happening...

My take on Snipe is that he way down deep likes and repects Harry,

though he would never admit it to anyone, even himself...

He feels that Harry needs to prove himself worthy of the adulation he

has as " the boy that lived " through Voldemort's attack. And doesn't

want him to turn into a self important a$$ that take his talents for

granted like Malfoy, who he thinks is wasting his talents and is pity

and self-indulgent. He's uncomfortable with Harry's circle of friend

and see's them as a liability... My guest is he was betrayed by a

" close friend " and he will never forgive the friend but more so never

forgive himself for allowing it to happen... Snipe in my view is not

a enemy to Harry but a supporter that hold's Harry to far higher

standard than any one else at Hogwarts does, possibly higher than

anyone can live up to... that might turn him against Harry.

Malfoy as the new Voldermort? I can't see it... he's a complete boob

that thinks he is a power to be reckoned with... a new Voldermort

will squash him like the bug he is without a second thought... If a

new Voldermort does arise it will be a friend of Harry's. Ron would

be too easy and he's not a wiz of a wizard but there is power in the

Darkside... Hermione would be a better choice... but it wouldn't her

intentional choice... Harry will screw up some how and cause

it... That will turn Ron against him too... If there is a reunion

they won't be buddies...

I admit I haven't been a fanatic in ready the books... but if I

wanted to revisit the characters (as I see them) 10-20 years in the

future I would do something along those lines...

Ender...

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In a message dated 7/16/2007 12:40:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, koldune@... writes:

Possible. I think Snape will be revealed as far less antagonistic to Harry that he seems outwardly. Lots of conflict between Harry and Snape seems choreographed. When Snape is teaching Harry how to shield his mind from snooping (I forget the word for it), we see Snape removing a specific memory first through the Pensieve, supposedly so Harry won't see the memory. We know that Harry has used the Pensieve before. Even if Snape didn't know that Harry knew what the Pensieve was, if he really wanted to hide a memory from Harry, why did he (a) remove it while Harry watched and ( leave Harry in the room with the Pensieve afterward? Come off it: no kid, under those cirmstances, is going to be able to resist looking into the Pensieve, whether or not he knew what it was! Curiosity is too endemic to anyone under 21. Snape could have easily removed the memory and then given Harry the extra training somewhere far away from where he hid it. I submit that Harry was supposed to look into it, by manipulation very carefully planned by Dumbledore and Snape, if not by others as well.

Like I said in another post, I think Snape is a double agent. I was hoping someone would mention the Pensive and Snape taking out memories. One wonders what other memories he has taken out and put in long term storage outside his head. That wouldn't surprise me, nor would it if he had a few, particular memories so that he "remembers" that he is a double agent, but they are behind strong, well hidden barriers.

"I think Harry is being set up to become the youngest Defense Against the Dark Arts professor in the history of Hogwarts. I don't think J. K. Rowling is planning on more than seven novels. Seems to me I heard about someone quoting her as otherwise having to write about him until he was a grouchy, old grandfather, which she really didn't want to do."

I've read that too. Many authors actually start out with a set plan for their character and that is that. Then the market demands more and they may actually have to write more. Sometimes, like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, they might actually come to hate their character, as he did Sherlock Holmes, because he took up so much of his time. Doyle did kill Holmes at one point and meant that to be the end, but public demand forced him to bring him back, and he resented it. Rowling has probably about had her fill of Harry Potter too. Granted, he has made he vastly wealthy, but she could move on to other things.

She could also license the franchise as many writers do. 's Conan went that route after his death, with many authors writing Conan stories, most of them very bad. BTW, the Conan movies were based on manuscripts found in 's "reject pile," which probably explains why they aren't so good, well, the first was OK, but the sequels were miserable.

A very popular series when I was in high school, the Dragonlance series by and Hickman, also went that road. The original books were two sets of three novels. Very good stories following the main characters. After that, demand was high, so they wrote a few more novels but they also licensed out the franchise and there were many other books about the various characters and collections of short stories.

Now, authors can retain approval for the stories, but even so, they do give up artistic control. There was a Star Trek novel series that I read a few years ago just for the heck of it. Each novel in the series was written by a different author (maybe a few of the 7 were written by the same person) and you could really feel the difference in writing styles and character portrayal. If it wasn't for the common plot, it would be hard to follow some of the characters from book to book.

It will be interesting to see what she will do though. Also bear in mind, I read somewhere that she wrote the very last paragraph of the last book before starting the first book to keep the ending she wanted in mind. A good idea since characters do have a way of changing in ways you don't expect. Strange how that happens.

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In a message dated 7/17/2007 1:20:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Want to know where I suspect Dumbledore is REALLY hiding? In his portrait in his office.

That and the phoenix flying away.

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" Too much seems to balance on Harry pressing on despite

irrevocable loss, which is part of marturing. Throwing in a

miraculous survivial by Dumbledore would destroy that. Deus ex

machina never works. "

Possibly you're right. We do know that Harry apparently MUST face

Voldemort, and perhaps with Dumbledore out of the way, he can now do

that unobstructed, and with the limited training that he has, but I

really think that Dumbledore is lurking somewhere, and that he will

reappear somewhere or other, possibly at the END of the novel after

Harry has defeated Voldemort.

Want to know where I suspect Dumbledore is REALLY hiding? In his

portrait in his office.

" I think Harry is being set up to become the youngest Defense

Against the Dark Arts professor in the history of Hogwarts. I don't

think J. K. Rowling is planning on more than seven novels. Seems to

me I heard about someone quoting her as otherwise having to

write about him until he was a grouchy, old grandfather, which she

really didn't want to do. "

I don't know that Harry would enjoy such a job. He enjoyed being the

head of Dumbledore's Army for a while, but he didn't bother reviving

it after the one year, and he seemed to lose interest after he and

Cho Chang broke up.

I know that Rowland said these 7 books would be it, and to be

honest, I am indifferent about whether or not she writes more even

though I love the novels. But I think it would still hold interest

for kids and adults alike if she did write some adventures of him as

an auror. One could argue that there would be nothing for him left

to do with Voldemort gone, but if Malfoy somehow inherited or

assumed Voldemort's powers, then you have Harry in Dumbledore's role

and Malfoy in Voldemort's. THAT would make for an interesting line

of novels, especially since we all know Malfoy and even though we

detest him, I don't know that any reader would like to see him dead.

yet surely he would have to be killed.

It would add a new element to the first seven novels if this were to

happen because then we could get a better idea about how Tom Marvolo

morphed into Voldemort, although of course he did it differently

than malfoy would.

Tom

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In a message dated 7/17/2007 2:03:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Mark twain wrote a bunch of Tom Sawyer novels to earn extra cash too. We know about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, but how many of you have read "Tom Sawyer Abroad" and "Tom Sawyer Detective"?

Never heard of them. Didn't like Tom Sawyer in the first place though since he was the roguish sort: the smart alek who could con people into doing what he wanted. Never liked people like that.

The money aspect is another good point. Some of them do need money and writing popular characters could bring it in.

Unfortunately, today, many of the big writers are very prolific and write under several names. They end up choking the market and it is very hard to get in these days.

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" Hi all... I have been gone for a while but thought I'd drop back in

to see what's happening... "

Hey Ender!

Welcome back! Nice to see you posting again!

" Malfoy as the new Voldermort? I can't see it... he's a complete

boob that thinks he is a power to be reckoned with... "

That's what Tom Marvolo was before HE became Lord Voldemort. Yes, we

know that Marvolo was far more trained in the Dark Arts, and yet,

Dumbledore has never seen him as anything more than a boy gone

wrong, even after Voldemort became a man. Most Voldemort's power

comes from the fame he has and the fear he cultivates. If Malfoy

could inherit the power some how, he could BUILD the fame.

I DOUBT that all will end cleanly anyway. Why should Harry and Ron

even bother to train to be aurors if when Voldemort is gone there

will be no real powerful wizzards to threaten anyone anymore?

Rounding up stray dark wizzards would hardly be enjoyable for Harry

who will by this time have faced the darkest of them all.

Just my thoughts. I have no real idea what is going to happen.

Tom

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" Doyle did kill Holmes at one point and meant that to be the end, but

public demand forced him to bring him back, and he resented it.

Rowling has probably about had her fill of Harry Potter too. Granted,

he has made he vastly wealthy, but she could move on to other things. "

Doyle actually also found himself hard up for cash. He did not only

write Sherlock Holmes but many other types of cition and non-fiction,

most of which was not well received. I read one which was called " The

Lost World " which, interestingly, is not that much different from

Creighton's " The Lost World " which spawned the Jurrasic Park

series of movies. But Doyle's novel was attrociously written at the

beginning, had certain implausible features in its plot, and was

downright boring in places despite dinosaurs and reptile men.

Mark twain wrote a bunch of Tom Sawyer novels to earn extra cash too.

We know about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, but how many of you have

read " Tom Sawyer Abroad " and " Tom Sawyer Detective " ?

" Tom Sawyer Abroad " was written along the lines of Jules

Verne's " Eight Weeks in A Balloon " and has Tom and Huck and Jim flying

to Egypt where they go through a sandstorm, see the pyramids, rescue

Jim from lions, etc. It is written with Twain's typical brillaint

flair, but is uninspired in terms of teaching us anything moral. Aside

from the inherent silliness and improbability of it all, there are

certain plot incongruities between this novel and Tom Sawyer and Huck

Fuinn. Twain, who harped against lapses of this sort in his brilliant

essay entitled " Fennimore 's Literary Offenses " obviously didn't

care enough about " Tom Sawyer Abroad " to cut out the crap.

" Tom Sawyer Detective " puts Tom in the place of a case which Twain

took from the newspapers. It's thrilling -as always- except it has an

impatient feel to it, as though Twain liked the concept and fleshed

out the book...but then gave it up before writing a second draft, and

ten, on third though, publishing it.

There is an unfinished work called " Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn Among the

Indians " which Twain quit IN MID-SENTENCE. This will always bother me.

Couldn't he at least have finished the sentance?

" Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn Among the Indians " was meant to be the

sequel to Huck Finn, and this reads well and without flaw. Tom and

Huck decide to " light out " and they head out " west " to see

the " Injuns " and maybe join them. On the way they meet up with a

family heading west to find their fortune. For no real reason that

Twain explains, soe Indians attack this family later on and abscond

with the family's daughter. Tom and Huck must find her.

Twain tried to stay true to form with this, and, and based the novel

on research, although the " research " on his Indians came from what he

read about in a racist anthropological outline, and observations of

the few impovrished Aboriginals that had been recently forcibly moved

by the US government. Tom and Huck come across four stakes beaten in

the ground with blood in the center and don't know what to make of it.

This method was how Indians were supposed to have raped women, and

this is roughly where Twain stopped the novel since he did not know

how to proceed beyond this point considering the delicacy of such a

subject matter, his own prudishness, and the prudishness of his

audience, some of whom might have been children.

Tom and Huck also make cameo appearances in other unpublished works

that never got off the ground.

I am rambling here so I will end this post now.

Tom

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