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Tricia,

Try a whole one. They did not work for me either, I would take one and read for

another 2 or 3 hours. My neighbor would take one and barely make it to her bed

before she was out, and then one night the fire alarms went off (very loud) and

she did not wake up. I convinced her to get off it. My doctor told me he had

had patients walk thru plate glass doors on it. Yikes. Never did squat for me.

My doctor had me try tylenol pm and dramamine, both helped me sleep.

Lynn

" donating my brain to science "

" donating my brain to science "

This is my subject for today. Should I " donate " or will they pay me

for it now, and let me use it until " that time comes " and I no longer

am in need of it? But, *if* they *pay* for it...they might find a way to

get it sooner..and I'm not sure I like that thought.

This isn't Off Topic, because it has everything to do with Stills Disease

and the medicines given to treat it, and it's consequences.

Over the past few years, my doctor's have prescribed many different

anti-depressants (not because I was depressed)but, to help ease pain,

and to help me sleep. " My brain, " rejected each and every one...

much to my disappointment. They either did nothing, or made me

very ill. Never did they do what they were made to do.

Over the past few months, I have tried a couple of different medications

for anti-seizures. Not to control seizures, but to ease the pain of

Peripherel

Neuropathy. Here, the meds did help to relieve the pain, *but,* had to be

stopped (even though they were " easy on the brain and body ones. " ) due

to severe side effects. The brain said.. " no, don't want it. "

Saw my GP Tuesday, he prescribed Ambien to help sleep, and hopefully

" sleep through the pain. " Ha! He suggested I take only 1/2 pill (5mg) as

these are very potent meds. Finally got the script filled yesterday. It was

with great anticipation I got ready for bed last night. Thought " wow,

finally

I'm going to sleep for 7 or 8 hours! " I made sure I was in bed soon after

taking

that pill, as I didn't want to take a chance of sleeping while standing..I

waited,

and waited, and waited. Heard hubby snoring up a storm, and the clock kept

ticking. Finally I slept...for 2 hours. I took the other half of the pill.

Slept another

2 hours. The brain says " no " one more time. I'm getting a little bit tired

of this.

Oh, and at 4 a.m. I finally took a Xanax anyway..and slept a couple more

hours.

So, would you take a whole Ambien and try again? Or just forget it?

" brain tired in WIsconsin,

Tricia

" I Hope You Dance! "

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Tricia,

Try a whole one. They did not work for me either, I would take one and read for

another 2 or 3 hours. My neighbor would take one and barely make it to her bed

before she was out, and then one night the fire alarms went off (very loud) and

she did not wake up. I convinced her to get off it. My doctor told me he had

had patients walk thru plate glass doors on it. Yikes. Never did squat for me.

My doctor had me try tylenol pm and dramamine, both helped me sleep.

Lynn

" donating my brain to science "

" donating my brain to science "

This is my subject for today. Should I " donate " or will they pay me

for it now, and let me use it until " that time comes " and I no longer

am in need of it? But, *if* they *pay* for it...they might find a way to

get it sooner..and I'm not sure I like that thought.

This isn't Off Topic, because it has everything to do with Stills Disease

and the medicines given to treat it, and it's consequences.

Over the past few years, my doctor's have prescribed many different

anti-depressants (not because I was depressed)but, to help ease pain,

and to help me sleep. " My brain, " rejected each and every one...

much to my disappointment. They either did nothing, or made me

very ill. Never did they do what they were made to do.

Over the past few months, I have tried a couple of different medications

for anti-seizures. Not to control seizures, but to ease the pain of

Peripherel

Neuropathy. Here, the meds did help to relieve the pain, *but,* had to be

stopped (even though they were " easy on the brain and body ones. " ) due

to severe side effects. The brain said.. " no, don't want it. "

Saw my GP Tuesday, he prescribed Ambien to help sleep, and hopefully

" sleep through the pain. " Ha! He suggested I take only 1/2 pill (5mg) as

these are very potent meds. Finally got the script filled yesterday. It was

with great anticipation I got ready for bed last night. Thought " wow,

finally

I'm going to sleep for 7 or 8 hours! " I made sure I was in bed soon after

taking

that pill, as I didn't want to take a chance of sleeping while standing..I

waited,

and waited, and waited. Heard hubby snoring up a storm, and the clock kept

ticking. Finally I slept...for 2 hours. I took the other half of the pill.

Slept another

2 hours. The brain says " no " one more time. I'm getting a little bit tired

of this.

Oh, and at 4 a.m. I finally took a Xanax anyway..and slept a couple more

hours.

So, would you take a whole Ambien and try again? Or just forget it?

" brain tired in WIsconsin,

Tricia

" I Hope You Dance! "

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Dear Sue,

My dearest friend...isn't the insomnia the pits? Usually I take Xanax.

For about 10 years now, and I think it's wearing out it's welcome.

The Ambien would only be once in awhile anyhow.

Sue, I have tried everything to get to sleep at night! Everything that

has ever been suggested! Sometimes...I don't have a problem...

but, usually do.

By the way...how are you sleeping lately?

Will talk with you personal e-mail later.

Take care hon.

Love, Tricia

" I Hope You Dance! "

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Oh Tricia,

my dear, sweet friend. I cannot believe that this is happening to you. I

have taken the whole Ambien, but I must say at times, it has taken the same

effect on me. At times, I haven't fallen asleep for hours. Sometimes I

have laid there for four to five hours before falling asleep, before getting

a good night sleep. I am truly sorry that this is still happening. I don

t know why this keeps happening to you. Have you tried a nice warm bath or

a warm cup of tea or warm milk, and do you turn off all the lights, TV and

little lights, such as the alarm clock? I was once told to turn around the

clock also, so that the room is completely dark, with no lights at all. The

doc said that any little light is enough to keep one awake and distract us

and lose valuable sleep time. I did it for a while...turned the clock the

other way and etc.....it did work, but then.....bob starts his snoring and

before I know it, I am kicking him in the leg and awake with frustrations

too. Oh friend...wish that there was something that I could do for you.

I would try it again Tricia, and if it still doesn't work, I would call him.

I will write you personally friend. Love and hugs.

Love, sue #2

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tricia,

my insomnia isn't too bad, but i feel that all this nytol is no good for me

either, but they took away the ambien, and you know with this disease, you

need your sleep.

i am just truly sorry for all of this tricia. i wish there was something i

could do.

i am going to email you. corona fell in the warehouse today, and almost

broke his leg. he tore some ligaments and is in a full cast for two weeks.

i just brought him home from the vet. i cried all day. it never stops.

love you friend.

love sue #2

-- Re: " donating my brain to science "

Oh Tricia,

my dear, sweet friend. I cannot believe that this is happening to you. I

have taken the whole Ambien, but I must say at times, it has taken the same

effect on me. At times, I haven't fallen asleep for hours. Sometimes I

have laid there for four to five hours before falling asleep, before getting

a good night sleep. I am truly sorry that this is still happening. I don

t know why this keeps happening to you. Have you tried a nice warm bath or

a warm cup of tea or warm milk, and do you turn off all the lights, TV and

little lights, such as the alarm clock? I was once told to turn around the

clock also, so that the room is completely dark, with no lights at all. The

doc said that any little light is enough to keep one awake and distract us

and lose valuable sleep time. I did it for a while...turned the clock the

other way and etc.....it did work, but then.....bob starts his snoring and

before I know it, I am kicking him in the leg and awake with frustrations

too. Oh friend...wish that there was something that I could do for you.

I would try it again Tricia, and if it still doesn't work, I would call him.

I will write you personally friend. Love and hugs.

Love, sue #2

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I didnt find the ambien much help either tricia,although the few hours of sleep

are better than none ehh.Just like you the ambien definitly helped to put me to

sleep well 2 anbiens along with 2 tylenol 3s gave me 3 hours of sleep while i

was in the dragons grasp.I think when its real bad the pain is what wakes us,soo

sorry its soo bad for you right now i sure hope things turn around for the

better,Take care. d.Canada

" donating my brain to science "

" donating my brain to science "

This is my subject for today. Should I " donate " or will they pay me

for it now, and let me use it until " that time comes " and I no longer

am in need of it? But, *if* they *pay* for it...they might find a way to

get it sooner..and I'm not sure I like that thought.

This isn't Off Topic, because it has everything to do with Stills Disease

and the medicines given to treat it, and it's consequences.

Over the past few years, my doctor's have prescribed many different

anti-depressants (not because I was depressed)but, to help ease pain,

and to help me sleep. " My brain, " rejected each and every one...

much to my disappointment. They either did nothing, or made me

very ill. Never did they do what they were made to do.

Over the past few months, I have tried a couple of different medications

for anti-seizures. Not to control seizures, but to ease the pain of

Peripherel

Neuropathy. Here, the meds did help to relieve the pain, *but,* had to be

stopped (even though they were " easy on the brain and body ones. " ) due

to severe side effects. The brain said.. " no, don't want it. "

Saw my GP Tuesday, he prescribed Ambien to help sleep, and hopefully

" sleep through the pain. " Ha! He suggested I take only 1/2 pill (5mg) as

these are very potent meds. Finally got the script filled yesterday. It was

with great anticipation I got ready for bed last night. Thought " wow,

finally

I'm going to sleep for 7 or 8 hours! " I made sure I was in bed soon after

taking

that pill, as I didn't want to take a chance of sleeping while standing..I

waited,

and waited, and waited. Heard hubby snoring up a storm, and the clock kept

ticking. Finally I slept...for 2 hours. I took the other half of the pill.

Slept another

2 hours. The brain says " no " one more time. I'm getting a little bit tired

of this.

Oh, and at 4 a.m. I finally took a Xanax anyway..and slept a couple more

hours.

So, would you take a whole Ambien and try again? Or just forget it?

" brain tired in WIsconsin,

Tricia

" I Hope You Dance! "

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Hi Tricia, when I recently saw my Rheumy I also told him that my

sleeping pills weren't working (imovane) and he switch me to

Lorazepam and like you I took one and went to bed only to lay awake

with hubby snoring next to me so I turned the tv on until about 4

a.m. and then tried to fall asleep which I did eventually. Let's

hope tonight is a better night for all of us. Also, I asked the

Rheumy at the time if I could up the dose to two imovane's instead

of one and he looked it up in his medical book and he said no, you

can only take one as any more could cause respirtory problems. If I

were you I would check with your doctor or pharmacist.

Take care,

Marilyn

> Saw my GP Tuesday, he prescribed Ambien to help sleep, and

hopefully

> " sleep through the pain. " Ha! He suggested I take only 1/2 pill

(5mg) as

> these are very potent meds. Finally got the script filled

yesterday. It was

> with great anticipation I got ready for bed last night.

Thought " wow,

> finally

> I'm going to sleep for 7 or 8 hours! " I made sure I was in bed

soon after

> taking

> that pill, as I didn't want to take a chance of sleeping while

standing..I

> waited,

> and waited, and waited. Heard hubby snoring up a storm, and the

clock kept

> ticking. Finally I slept...for 2 hours. I took the other half of

the pill.

> Slept another

> 2 hours. The brain says " no " one more time. I'm getting a little

bit tired

> of this.

> Oh, and at 4 a.m. I finally took a Xanax anyway..and slept a

couple more

> hours.

>

> So, would you take a whole Ambien and try again? Or just forget

it?

>

> " brain tired in WIsconsin,

> Tricia

>

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Hi Graham.. I am no longer taking the amitrypline. But like you I was very

out of it the next day when I did take it.. Foggy, kind of like that hung over

haze the next day.. I am no longer taking that one..

They have me on ambian, the 1/2 doesn't work for me, but the full one most of

the time does. But there seems to be sometimes that I have that tiredness

the next day also, but of course this could be the stills also..

Kelley in Colorado

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Hi ,

I see you are up early also. I don't think there's a full moon so I don't

know why I can't sleep anymore. ?????? Are you dancing? Something is

keeping me awake more than usual.

I'm going to hop back into bed and read as that usually puts me to sleep.

It's so dark in the mornings now.

Carmen

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Hi Tom,

I too take the occasional amitriptyline and whilst I find they don't make

me drowsy, once asleep I seep to stay that way! 10mg seems to be enough to

do the trick. The only problem is I just can't wake up the next day. I

feel tired and foggy for the whole day. Do you experience this too?

Graham (35)

West Sussex

UK

At 20:07 17/10/2003, you wrote:

>I take my amitriptyline around 7:30 p.m. it seems to me that it takes a

>couple of hours for it to work. I'm not sure that will help with your

>medication. Lynn's message sounds like your medication might work fast.

>

>Off topic and off-color, I was thinking of donating my brain to science

>for other reasons. I was thinking that they should study it so that

>they don't make any duplications :-)

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Graham

Amitriptyline did that to me, it also made me feel very depressed and in a fog

all day.

RE: " donating my brain to science "

Hi Tom,

I too take the occasional amitriptyline and whilst I find they don't make

me drowsy, once asleep I seep to stay that way! 10mg seems to be enough to

do the trick. The only problem is I just can't wake up the next day. I

feel tired and foggy for the whole day. Do you experience this too?

Graham (35)

West Sussex

UK

At 20:07 17/10/2003, you wrote:

>I take my amitriptyline around 7:30 p.m. it seems to me that it takes a

>couple of hours for it to work. I'm not sure that will help with your

>medication. Lynn's message sounds like your medication might work fast.

>

>Off topic and off-color, I was thinking of donating my brain to science

>for other reasons. I was thinking that they should study it so that

>they don't make any duplications :-)

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How would I ever notice that I was in a fog? That's my natural state

:-) I do agree that I sleep usually the full eight hours and feel good

in the morning. Morning is my best time usually but not always. You're

supposed to enjoy your amitriptyline is my experience. If I do wake up

at night, I see the most incredible things, but I think I've said that

already. I don't see these things as often as I did at first, but it's

still happens. I sleep in my Sun porch during summer and I have seen

some really strange things out side. The lamppost becomes a very

interesting old lady, looking into my house becomes a most amazing

cathedral, the bird feeder becomes an ostrich, always, always I think

amazing and wonderful. Then I fall right back to sleep and forget it

unless I recall it in detail in the morning. I hesitate to tell the

doctor that I love my amitriptyline! She might take it away :-)

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Graham

Amitriptyline did that to me, it also made me feel very depressed and in

a fog all day.

RE: " donating my brain to science "

Hi Tom,

I too take the occasional amitriptyline and whilst I find they don't

make

me drowsy, once asleep I seep to stay that way! 10mg seems to be

enough to

do the trick. The only problem is I just can't wake up the next day.

I

feel tired and foggy for the whole day. Do you experience this too?

Graham (35)

West Sussex

UK

At 20:07 17/10/2003, you wrote:

>I take my amitriptyline around 7:30 p.m. it seems to me that it takes

a

>couple of hours for it to work. I'm not sure that will help with

your

>medication. Lynn's message sounds like your medication might work

fast.

>

>Off topic and off-color, I was thinking of donating my brain to

science

>for other reasons. I was thinking that they should study it so that

>they don't make any duplications :-)

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I really think alot of people have trouble sleeping..it is the pits..it

started with me when I was 8!!! I wouldn't mind if I felt ok..but I don't ..it

is

now 4 something AM and again I was awakened by some little noise.. I think I

will use ear plugs again Liz NJ

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