Re: practitioners who support Cutler protocol

[Guest guest]

You don't need a practitioner, there are none trained in the UK but I am hoping to remedy that next year and have Andy over to do his detox seminar.

What is it you want to know, lots of experience on this board

Mandi x

In a message dated 21/09/2010 21:36:05 GMT Daylight Time, claudiam40@... writes:

Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

[Guest guest]

Me neither and I have 27 of them here (I am his european book agent), I can dip in and out buts its way too complicated for the average person IMHO and the salient points have been pulled out in various places on the web to make it easier for folks. TA library has copies and I have a couple of lending ones if you are keen but don't want to buy one right now

Mandi x

In a message dated 21/09/2010 22:08:47 GMT Daylight Time, greenkirsty1@... writes:

I haven't...it's on my bookshelf though, like many others!!!Kirstyx> > >> > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?> > > > > > Thanks so much!> > > > > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Honestly , you don't need one. If you want i can send you off here all

the files that you need to start. Dosing, supplements to have in place, etc etc.

I do not know of anyone who has a AC practitioner.

Just the recoveryfromautism group. The moderators are v clued up and

answer all questions pretty much immediately. All they ask is that you read

their files first before asking questions

Kirsty

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> Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me

through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kirsty and Mandi-- I did join that group and am just feeling slightly

overwhelmed by all the new info I will read through all the files & hopefully

decrease my anxiety! Did you also read Andy's books?

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> > Hi everyone,

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> > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me

through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

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> > Thanks so much!

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I felt exactly the same plus very nervous about starting too, i have now completed 25 weekend rnds and seeing only positives, i now wish i had started sooner. Any questions about getting started just ask away, there are lots of people on this group who helped me get started.

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Autism Treatment From: claudiam40@...Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:59:07 +0000Subject: Re: practitioners who support Cutler protocol

Thanks, Kirsty and Mandi-- I did join that group and am just feeling slightly overwhelmed by all the new info I will read through all the files & hopefully decrease my anxiety! Did you also read Andy's books? x> >> > Hi everyone,> > > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?> > > > Thanks so much!> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I haven't...it's on my bookshelf though, like many others!!!

Kirsty

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> > > Hi everyone,

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> > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide

me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

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> > > Thanks so much!

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, ! I will do my AC homework & hopefully get started soon, and I

imagine you'll be seeing loads of questions from me! x

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> > > Hi everyone,

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> > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide

me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

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> > > Thanks so much!

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, ! I will do my AC homework & hopefully get started soon, and I

imagine you'll be seeing loads of questions from me! x

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide

me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You don't really need to read Andy's books if you have a fairly " straightfoward "

kind of kid :-)

The hairtest book is much easier to read and can be really helpful if you're

doing hairtesting.

However, for the actual chelation, it is pretty easy. This is about all you

need to know for the protocol:

Don't chelate with ALA until 3 months after exposure (amalgam removal, vax,

etc).

Don't chelate with DMSA or DMPS until 4 days after exposure.

Starting doses should be very low. 1/8 mg per pound, per dose. Some kids needs

even lower. This applies to DMSA, ALA, and DMPS. Start with only one chelator,

but many people find that combining the ALA with either DMSA or DMPS makes

things easier, and add in another chelator when they can. This also makes for

more effective chelation. ALA is the only chelator that will clear the CNS and

brain of mercury, so it must be used.

Doses can go up to 1/2 mg/pound/dose. This means if you use ALA with DMSA, for

example, you could be giving a 50 pounds child 25 mgs of each per dose. Don't

increase doses during rounds. Stay at a dose for a few rounds--if the child is

very comfortable, you can increase one chelator or another by an amount that

makes sense, but don't increase by doubling.

ALA needs to be dosed every 3 hours. You can stretch to 4 at night.

DMSA needs to be dosed every 4 hours.

DMPS every 8 hours.

If you miss giving a dose by more than an hour, stop the round.

It is best to make a round last for at least 2.7 days (starting Friday afternoon

until Monday morning if your child goes to school). Longer rounds, if possible,

will mean less end of round redistribution. Take a break after each round that

is at least as long as the round itself. For us here, we generally do 5.7 days

on, and then 7 or so off.

If your child is struggling:

lower the dose and/or increase the dose frequency and/or increase antioxidants.

I think a yeast protocol is generally pretty necessary for chelation.

I suggest that people write down what they're doing. Dosage, times dosed, what

you see. It helps over time.

Before you start chelating, a child should be on these supps for a week or two.

I've copied this below from the supp file that I prepared a while back.

Supplementing for Chelation

When supplementing for chelation, you are not looking for improvement, instead,

you are looking to support the body during the chelation process. However, you

must introduce new supplements just as you would for more general

supplementation. Start low and slow, watch carefully, keep track.

It is highly recommended that you supplement four times a day—the body can only

absorb water-soluble vitamins and minerals in limited doses, and giving them all

at once is a waste and may be harmful to your chelating child. Giving vitamins

in the citrate form can raise pH levels and make the urine more alkaline, which

prevents the chelators from dropping the metals into the kidneys, a problem you

would want to avoid. It can also be helpful to give Vitamin C in the Ester

form, as this also can raise pH levels.

Continue supplementing the same way every day, regardless of whether you are

chelating or not. Supplements should be in place for a week or two before you

begin chelation.

Remember, this is not medical advice, just one recommendation. You will find

different ones elsewhere. You must make the decision as to what is best for

your child.

Note that some supplements call for milligrams (mg) and some for micrograms

(mcg).

Calcium: 5-20 mg/pound divided into four doses over the day

Essential Fatty Acid (fish oil or flax, see notes above) 1 to 3 tbsp/day

Magnesium: 10 mg/pound divided into four doses over the day

Milk Thistle: ¼-1 cap (20-80 mg) per dose/ 4 times a day

Molybdenum: 5-20 mcg/pound divided into four doses over the day

Selenium: 1-2 mcg/pound/divided into four doses over the day

Vitamin A: 5 RDA's/day. Be sure to consider if your EFA is a source

Vitamin B: 12.5-25 mg/4 times a day

Vitamin C: 5 to 20 mg/pound per dose/4 times a day

Vitamin E: 500 IU/day

Zinc: 1 mg per pound + 20 mgs divided into four doses over the day.

Andy Cutler also suggests in some cases that glycine, taurine, lecithin,

carotenes and lypocenes be considered as supplements. Note that Pangborn

suggests that taurine be in place before a number of these recommended

supplements are taken.

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It is a good idea to do some practice dosing at night, to see what works for

you. So, you're going to give the chelator mixed into some pear sauce, do that

a couple nights in a row with just the pear sauce with your child before you go

to sleep. If your child swallows pills, practice taking similar sized capsules

about an hour after he's asleep. Whatever you're going to do, practice that

first. You don't want it to be a complete surprise/disaster your first night

chelating. Keep things dark as you can, quiet, and have a bottle of

water/sippy cup of water ready to wash down the chelator.

It is intimidating to start this. I clearly, clearly remember feeling almost

beside myself when I gave my son the first dose of chelator. Now, both he and I

do it almost literally in our sleep (him asleep, me mostly asleep.

I hope this might help. It really is this simple for lots of people.

Anita

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> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide

me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Need to have this carved into stone, awesomely easy read, I saved it in 3 places so I don't lose it

Mandi x

In a message dated 22/09/2010 22:16:37 GMT Daylight Time, mysuperteach@... writes:

Hi ,You don't really need to read Andy's books if you have a fairly "straightfoward" kind of kid :-)The hairtest book is much easier to read and can be really helpful if you're doing hairtesting.However, for the actual chelation, it is pretty easy. This is about all you need to know for the protocol:Don't chelate with ALA until 3 months after exposure (amalgam removal, vax, etc).Don't chelate with DMSA or DMPS until 4 days after exposure. Starting doses should be very low. 1/8 mg per pound, per dose. Some kids needs even lower. This applies to DMSA, ALA, and DMPS. Start with only one chelator, but many people find that combining the ALA with either DMSA or DMPS makes things easier, and add in another chelator when they can. This also makes for more effective chelation. ALA is the only chelator that will clear the CNS and brain of mercury, so it must be used.Doses can go up to 1/2 mg/pound/dose. This means if you use ALA with DMSA, for example, you could be giving a 50 pounds child 25 mgs of each per dose. Don't increase doses during rounds. Stay at a dose for a few rounds--if the child is very comfortable, you can increase one chelator or another by an amount that makes sense, but don't increase by doubling. ALA needs to be dosed every 3 hours. You can stretch to 4 at night.DMSA needs to be dosed every 4 hours. DMPS every 8 hours.If you miss giving a dose by more than an hour, stop the round.It is best to make a round last for at least 2.7 days (starting Friday afternoon until Monday morning if your child goes to school). Longer rounds, if possible, will mean less end of round redistribution. Take a break after each round that is at least as long as the round itself. For us here, we generally do 5.7 days on, and then 7 or so off.If your child is struggling:lower the dose and/or increase the dose frequency and/or increase antioxidants. I think a yeast protocol is generally pretty necessary for chelation.I suggest that people write down what they're doing. Dosage, times dosed, what you see. It helps over time.Before you start chelating, a child should be on these supps for a week or two.I've copied this below from the supp file that I prepared a while back.Supplementing for ChelationWhen supplementing for chelation, you are not looking for improvement, instead, you are looking to support the body during the chelation process. However, you must introduce new supplements just as you would for more general supplementation. Start low and slow, watch carefully, keep track. It is highly recommended that you supplement four times a day—the body can only absorb water-soluble vitamins and minerals in limited doses, and giving them all at once is a waste and may be harmful to your chelating child. Giving vitamins in the citrate form can raise pH levels and make the urine more alkaline, which prevents the chelators from dropping the metals into the kidneys, a problem you would want to avoid. It can also be helpful to give Vitamin C in the Ester form, as this also can raise pH levels.Continue supplementing the same way every day, regardless of whether you are chelating or not. Supplements should be in place for a week or two before you begin chelation. Remember, this is not medical advice, just one recommendation. You will find different ones elsewhere. You must make the decision as to what is best for your child.Note that some supplements call for milligrams (mg) and some for micrograms (mcg). Calcium: 5-20 mg/pound divided into four doses over the dayEssential Fatty Acid (fish oil or flax, see notes above) 1 to 3 tbsp/dayMagnesium: 10 mg/pound divided into four doses over the dayMilk Thistle: ¼-1 cap (20-80 mg) per dose/ 4 times a dayMolybdenum: 5-20 mcg/pound divided into four doses over the daySelenium: 1-2 mcg/pound/divided into four doses over the dayVitamin A: 5 RDA's/day. Be sure to consider if your EFA is a source Vitamin B: 12.5-25 mg/4 times a dayVitamin C: 5 to 20 mg/pound per dose/4 times a dayVitamin E: 500 IU/dayZinc: 1 mg per pound + 20 mgs divided into four doses over the day. Andy Cutler also suggests in some cases that glycine, taurine, lecithin, carotenes and lypocenes be considered as supplements. Note that Pangborn suggests that taurine be in place before a number of these recommended supplements are taken.********It is a good idea to do some practice dosing at night, to see what works for you. So, you're going to give the chelator mixed into some pear sauce, do that a couple nights in a row with just the pear sauce with your child before you go to sleep. If your child swallows pills, practice taking similar sized capsules about an hour after he's asleep. Whatever you're going to do, practice that first. You don't want it to be a complete surprise/disaster your first night chelating. Keep things dark as you can, quiet, and have a bottle of water/sippy cup of water ready to wash down the chelator.It is intimidating to start this. I clearly, clearly remember feeling almost beside myself when I gave my son the first dose of chelator. Now, both he and I do it almost literally in our sleep (him asleep, me mostly asleep. I hope this might help. It really is this simple for lots of people.Anita> > >> > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly guide me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?> > > > > > Thanks so much!> > > > > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita I have been on ac for over a year now and your information is the

simplest way to describe how to do it properly , thanks you are a real star!

Isobel

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> > > > Hi everyone,

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> > > > Can anyone recommend a London-area practitioner that could possibly

guide me through the Andy Cutler chelation protocol for my son (age 7)?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much!

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Anita, is fine with the E I have from MM so that's good. I think I will have to go through all the supps again, he is getting A through the Polar Power the only fishy thing he has really done well on. I will look at the link and see what I can do with the B's, can't really reduce Niacin alone as it is part of a complex so maybe just do B's seperately. The other thing with the B's and I think it may be B6 is raging, haven't really understood why just stopped immediately. Think Mandi suggested Niacinamide recently but I am just so behind although desk is clearing so will give it a go, what is the difference though?

The reason I ask what is probably a really daft question is because I started off not tolerating orange, then any citrus fruit, then any citric acid to the point if something has the letters cit in it I will be ill, the kids are the same to a much lesser degree with supps that have glut on them anywhere lol, as in L Glutamine, Glutathione etc. Don't you just love my scientific brain.

Vicky

In a message dated 24/09/2010 15:41:11 GMT Daylight Time, mysuperteach@... writes:

If the niacin is causing problems, have you tried switching to niacinamide? I believe that is the no-flush niacin form. I used to give all the Bs separately, just because DS needed such different amounts of each. Have you supped the Bs in their active forms? I have found that the Thorne B's are good. Yeast free, which might help, as the yeast can be an issue for some. You can read about their basic B complex here http://www.thorne.com/Products/Mood-Sleep-Support/Mood_Enhancement/prd~B104.jsp;jsessionid=nhvFMc2J5bLFdqpph2n2QY9lw6QGpX8n1MnQDJgcMyxZxhQ4Yd67!-1672850229Sorry, that's long.If you were to use just a tiny, tiny sprinkle with each meal, tolerance might build. The B vitamins are pretty crucial to lots of stuff, so might be worth the effort.I know Andy has recommended for some people a reduced supplement schedule for chelating. I can't remember what was on it, but I do think that the anti-oxidants were there. Oxidative stress is generally very high in our kids. Chelating causes further oxidative stress. Oxidative stress damages us, including damaging our RNA. So, if OS levels remain high, problems could certainly be long term. So, if C isn't tolerated, I would consider upping a couple other forms of antioxidant. Maybe E and A? I'm not sure if there are other water-soluble antioxidants, like C, so that might be an issue? I'm not sure. Do be sure to try other forms of C, as some people have trouble with the corn based C. Some people need to try a few kinds of the buffered C to find one that works for them.If I were in your shoes, I would keep chelating as much as possible, and try to work in the other supps if I could, even if they were at really low doses. I know some kids don't tolerate supps until part way through chelation, so it's good to try now and then previously non-tolerated supps.Anita

[Guest guest]

Just saw this, looking into getting a different kind of E for ds. This Vitamin

E is water soluble, so might be a good choice if you can't use the C??

http://www.spectrumsupplements.com/content.asp?node=488 & pgid=363 & lang=en

Anita

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> > Just wondering though reading this Anita what's the problem if some of

> > those supps are left out? is still intolerant of a few so we are not

> > giving them but he is not having any problems, his gut is pretty good so

> > stuff like C can be got into him through diet though probably nowhere near

as

> > much as supplementing. is taking what can't and benefitting

> > most especially the C but neither of them can tolerate B complex, the hot

> > red rash and racing heart beat from Niacin is too distressing, should I

give

> > all the B's seperate?

> > Ultimately I am asking will there be a problem further down the line

> > without all the supps on board?

> > TIA

> > Vicky

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> > In a message dated 24/09/2010 15:05:33 GMT Daylight Time,

> > mysuperteach@ writes:

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> > I'm glad this was helpful to some people :-) I am certainly living proof

> > that the implementation of the bare-bones protocol is easy to understand!

> > The science behind it is complex, but fortunately the chelator work

> > regardless of whether I understand their chemical properties or not.

> >

> > Of course the supplements need to be fine-tuned for lots of kids. DS, for

> > example, needs the very highest end of EFA's, but also D and K and a ton of

> > B2, along with lots of ACE to be good on chelation.

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> > Anita

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