Re: question about college and IEP's.

[Guest guest]

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I have had the same type of questions as my son graduates HS this year.  I was told that when we " move him in " we need to go to the student services center and speak to them.  Apparently, every school has different ways that they will/can accomidate the students.  I am not worried about my son waking up as much as going to sleep... I am told that it may be possible to have someone (a dorm monitor or someone of that nature) remind him at a set time that he needs to get some sleep.  It all depends on the school that you have picked for your son but I would say to start with Student Services...

 

Era Kay

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Seeley <mmseeley@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

to lower standards for them.Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

subject. The school we have inmind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do we have any legal recourse?This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

that could arise.thanks for any suggestions---

--

Era Kay Hill

832-775-4452

erakay.hill@...

 

[Guest guest]

Background..... when I was in school I did not have a iep & then I was

homeschooled... When I started @ MCC as a adult (24 divorced with a toddler &

infant) I had acomodations! Such as I could record all classes even if the

professor didn't let classes/lectures be recorded. tests could be taken in the

testing center with extended time... I also was given a advisor/counselor from

the disabilities office verses the reg student center. All of this was 6yrs ago

or so & some schools may have new/more acomodations. I am ADD & have sleep

issues... I'm late for everything! Most schools have strict attendance

pollicies... I think its hard to pass most classes if u r not there... I would

always make sure to at least make it to class even if I was late so I could get

attendace credit!! I also never scheduled early morning classes... Now many

collages offer night & weekend classes as well as morning, late morning &

afternoon classes. I also had to ask/set up with the proffesers my acomodations

such as give them the paperwork from the disability office with my acomodations

on it. I don't think u will find a collage that will lower standards! Only

acomodate.. JMO I would also look for & take classes were the proffesor was a

good match for my learning style if possible. Like psy101 in a classroom format

verses in the auditorium hall.... I also did very well in summer courses &

courses over intersessions like winter break... Even with more material to learn

in a short amount of time. Having the consistancy of the same class M-TH for 3-4

hours verses just once or twice a week for 1-2 hours helped me. Is he looking @

a community collage or a university? In AZ u could be a student @ ASU & be

taking a class @ MCC (common for core subjects) so if u were a ASU student u

might have paid $2500 for the same class I just paid $500 for... But a lot of

the ASU kids didn't care! Becuase getting a class with less students was

preferable to psy 101 with 500 students @ ASU. I would look @ a comunity collage

even if its not local to u. Or see if the university u r looking @ works with a

community collage. Some states have great com. Collages but some don't...

HTH,

--- Original Message ---

From: " Seeley " <mmseeley@...>

Sent:Sun 4/17/11 8:04 pm

To:Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Subj: question about college and IEP's.

Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I

understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that

colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

to lower standards for them.

Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college

just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep

issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

subject. The school we have in

mind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do

we have any legal recourse?

This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I

think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

that could arise.

thanks for any suggestions---

[Guest guest]

Thanks--- I'll keep that in mind. It sounds like, as we found out in

high school, having good communication

and establishing a relationship with the right people at school, will be

key.

-Good luck!

On 4/18/2011 8:10 AM, Era Hill wrote:

> ,

> I have had the same type of questions as my son graduates HS this year. I

> was told that when we " move him in " we need to go to the student services

> center and speak to them. Apparently, every school has different ways that

> they will/can accomidate the students. I am not worried about my son waking

> up as much as going to sleep... I am told that it may be possible to have

> someone (a dorm monitor or someone of that nature) remind him at a set time

> that he needs to get some sleep. It all depends on the school that you have

> picked for your son but I would say to start with Student Services...

>

> Era Kay

>

> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Seeley<mmseeley@...> wrote:

>

>

>>

>> Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I

>> understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that

>> colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

>> to lower standards for them.

>>

>> Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college

>> just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep

>> issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

>> subject. The school we have in

>> mind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do

>> we have any legal recourse?

>>

>> This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I

>> think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

>> that could arise.

>>

>> thanks for any suggestions---

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Basically, the difference between NCLB (which covers IEPs in K - 12) and section

504 (which is for people post high school) is that section 504 is not mandatory

for the schools to follow. This is especially important for parents who have

had their students protected by IEPs in K-12. This is also why parents of

students in K-12 should not be fooled into believing that 504 is as good in

protection to their child as an IEP. It isn't.

The idea is that in college, the student has to advocate for himself. Instead

of being automatically identified as legally needing accommodations, the student

has to identify himself and state what he needs. The schools are not legally

obligated to provide these accommodations. Do some research re section 504 and

IEP NCLB differences. Be prepared to help your child advocate for himself, but

the school is not going to seek you or your child out.

Some colleges are very disabled friendly, other not so much. They will abide by

federal disability law (ADA), but are not required to abide by (indeed, are

written out of) NCLB law.

Check out student services, and look for any resources at colleges re learning

disabilities, autism, aspergers, etc. A big red flag that the school/university

is not so disability friendly is if there is no special department, no student

handbook on disability services, no place to easily find information. A huge

welcome banner that the school is disability friendly is the larger student

handbook re disabilities and how to get help, at least one staff member (or

more) who staffs a student disability office, all fairly easy to access. Check

out the school website. This will also provide a clue.

If your child is currently in a public brick and mortar, strongly seek help in

identifying disability friendly colleges. If the current public/or private high

school cannot help, you need to find info on your own. Be prepared, do not wait

until child is enrolled to find this information.

>

> Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I

> understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that

> colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

> to lower standards for them.

>

> Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college

> just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep

> issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

> subject. The school we have in

> mind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do

> we have any legal recourse?

>

> This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I

> think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

> that could arise.

>

> thanks for any suggestions---

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am a graduate student who is studying for my masters in special education, but

I have not gone through it first hand. First of all every school is different,

this is just some information pertaining to the two State Schools that I have

attended in PA. You must contact the school's office for Students with

Disability and request for accommodations. Also to receive accommodation

students must provide the university with current and complete documentation of

their disability prior to arrangement of services. So current means that it had

to been updated in the past 3 to 5 years. You need to make sure that whatever

accommodations that are needed to succeed at the college level must be

documented. You could also look at the school's website to get an idea of what

some of the services that they provide.

Just an idea of accommodations that may be provide alternative testing

arrangements such as extended time to complete test, testing in a different

location, verbal testing, use of textbook or notes while taking a test, taping a

class extension of homework assignments and tutoring and a class for preparation

for skills that are needed at the college level.

There are many other accommodations that can be provided but the key it to have

documentation and it is the student's responsibility to provide the office for

Students of Disabilities and then it is also the student's responsibility to go

to the professor with the paper work and to request for accommodations in their

class.

Good Luck!

>

> Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I

> understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that

> colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

> to lower standards for them.

>

> Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college

> just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep

> issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

> subject. The school we have in

> mind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do

> we have any legal recourse?

>

> This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I

> think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

> that could arise.

>

> thanks for any suggestions---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ---- so the IEP is very helpful as documentation.. Makes

sense.

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On 4/20/2011 9:17 AM, sarahannejohnson25 wrote:

> I am a graduate student who is studying for my masters in special education,

but I have not gone through it first hand. First of all every school is

different, this is just some information pertaining to the two State Schools

that I have attended in PA. You must contact the school's office for Students

with Disability and request for accommodations. Also to receive accommodation

students must provide the university with current and complete documentation of

their disability prior to arrangement of services. So current means that it had

to been updated in the past 3 to 5 years. You need to make sure that whatever

accommodations that are needed to succeed at the college level must be

documented. You could also look at the school's website to get an idea of what

some of the services that they provide.

>

> Just an idea of accommodations that may be provide alternative testing

arrangements such as extended time to complete test, testing in a different

location, verbal testing, use of textbook or notes while taking a test, taping a

class extension of homework assignments and tutoring and a class for preparation

for skills that are needed at the college level.

>

> There are many other accommodations that can be provided but the key it to

have documentation and it is the student's responsibility to provide the office

for Students of Disabilities and then it is also the student's responsibility to

go to the professor with the paper work and to request for accommodations in

their class.

>

> Good Luck!

>

>

>

>> Does anyone have experience to share, concerning college? I

>> understand that having an IEP will not help in college, and that

>> colleges are required to " accomodate " students with disabilities but not

>> to lower standards for them.

>>

>> Here's the scenario that I'm worried about: my son gets into college

>> just fine, but because of Asperger's related issues (primarily sleep

>> issues and organization) he misses too many classes in a certain

>> subject. The school we have in

>> mind has a strict policy--- miss too many classes, and you're out. Do

>> we have any legal recourse?

>>

>> This is all speculative, of course. But as college approaches and I

>> think about issues that could come up, this is the most likely problem

>> that could arise.

>>

>> thanks for any suggestions---

>>

>>

>>

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