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Well that is the info I have had for that last few years. But I wondered if

there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me with how the

vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties to help with

the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a shelf life of

18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it would expire

today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from the Southern

Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps us and then

it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based on that it

is impossible for the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give

him the vaccine especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his

risk is too high to get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!

BARBIE

________________________________

From: Schulman <dietdoc@...>

Post < >

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PM

Subject: Flu Shot Revisited

Welcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance to introduce myself or say

hello. I'll write more later. : )

Just following up with our discussion from yesterday... .

I spoke with my pharmacist who works for a major immune globulin company. She

confirmed that, although the product will help the general state of the immune

system, it will not protect against the flu. She explained that the strain is

different each year and that, theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not

be in the vials. She did reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of

secondary infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their physicians.

(Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is right for your

child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many will not produce

antibodies to it.

My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and family doc both want

her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in the off chance, that

she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course, she has an

unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this year we

are trying something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units rather

than .5 units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose is

not protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets nothing

at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her. Sigh...

Barbie (sorry I keep writing your name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy so

don't worry about contacting the IDF. Unless you want to. : )

Happy and Safe Halloween to all.

mom to CVIDer, 7

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Hey,

This is just our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last year,

everyone in the house had the flu for a good week...except that is! LOL

Maybe we were just lucky.

@...: mother5590@...: Fri, 31 Oct 2008

15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re: Flu Shot Revisited

Well that is the info I have had for that last few years. But I wondered if

there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me with how the

vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties to help with

the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a shelf life of

18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it would expire

today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from the Southern

Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps us and then

it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based on that it

is impossible for the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give

him the vaccine especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his

risk is too high to get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE

________________________________From: Schulman

<dietdoc@...> Post < >Sent: Friday,

October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject: Flu Shot RevisitedWelcome new

families! Sorry I have not had a chance to introduce myself or say hello. I'll

write more later. : )Just following up with our discussion from yesterday... .I

spoke with my pharmacist who works for a major immune globulin company. She

confirmed that, although the product will help the general state of the immune

system, it will not protect against the flu. She explained that the strain is

different each year and that, theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not

be in the vials. She did reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of

secondary infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their physicians.

(Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is right for your

child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many will not produce

antibodies to it. My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and

family doc both want her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in

the off chance, that she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course,

she has an unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this

year we are trying something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units

rather than .5 units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose

is not protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets

nothing at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her.

Sigh...Barbie (sorry I keep writing your name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy

so don't worry about contacting the IDF. Unless you want to. : )Happy and Safe

Halloween to all. mom to CVIDer, 7[Non-text portions of this message have

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WHO KNOWS????????

BARBIE

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From: laura smith <iamlaurasmith@...>

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:58:47 PM

Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

Hey,

This is just our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last year,

everyone in the house had the flu for a good week...except that is! LOL

Maybe we were just lucky.

groups (DOT) comFrom: mother5590 (DOT) comDate: Fri, 31 Oct 2008

15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re: Flu Shot Revisited

Well that is the info I have had for that last few years. But I wondered if

there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me with how the

vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties to help with

the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a shelf life of

18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it would expire

today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from the Southern

Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps us and then

it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based on that it

is impossible for the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give

him the vaccine especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his

risk is too high to get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE ____________

_________ _________ __From: Schulman <dietdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>

Post <groups (DOT)

com>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject: Flu Shot

RevisitedWelcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance to introduce myself

or say hello. I'll write more later. : )Just following up with our discussion

from yesterday... .I spoke with my pharmacist who works for a major immune

globulin company. She confirmed that, although the product will help the general

state of the immune system, it will not protect against the flu. She explained

that the strain is different each year and that, theoretically, adequate IgG

against it would not be in the vials. She did reinforce that Gamunex will help

with prevention of secondary infections -- and possibly other potential

complications. But she suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by

their physicians. (Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is

right for your child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many

will not produce antibodies to it. My

daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and family doc both want

her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in the off chance, that

she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course, she has an unacceptable

reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this year we are trying

something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units rather than .5

units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose is not

protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets nothing at

all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her. Sigh...Barbie

(sorry I keep writing your name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy so don't worry

about contacting the IDF. Unless you want to. : )Happy and Safe Halloween to

all. mom to CVIDer, 7[Non-text portions of this message have been

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Hi,

We were also told not to vaccinate. My son has an IgG deficiency. We would never

vaccinate him, or any of our children again, as we've done our homework, and we

personally consider vaccines ,at this time, to be dangerous for all humans.

When the government cleans up the vaccines, changes the schedule, and omits the

unnecessary ones, we may reconsider, but not until then. IMHO.

Take good care...

@...: iamlaurasmith@...: Sat, 1 Nov 2008

00:58:47 +0000Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

Hey,This is just our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last

year, everyone in the house had the flu for a good week...except that is!

LOL Maybe we were just lucky.@...:

mother5590@...: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re:

Flu Shot RevisitedWell that is the info I have had for that last few years. But

I wondered if there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me

with how the vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties

to help with the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a

shelf life of 18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it

would expire today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from

the Southern Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps

us and then it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based

on that it is impossible for the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love

to NOT give him the vaccine especially because of the mercury in it but I think

that his risk is too high to get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE

________________________________From: Schulman

<dietdoc@...> Post < >Sent: Friday,

October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject: Flu Shot RevisitedWelcome new

families! Sorry I have not had a chance to introduce myself or say hello. I'll

write more later. : )Just following up with our discussion from yesterday... .I

spoke with my pharmacist who works for a major immune globulin company. She

confirmed that, although the product will help the general state of the immune

system, it will not protect against the flu. She explained that the strain is

different each year and that, theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not

be in the vials. She did reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of

secondary infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their physicians.

(Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is right for your

child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many will not produce

antibodies to it. My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and

family doc both want her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in

the off chance, that she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course,

she has an unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this

year we are trying something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units

rather than .5 units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose

is not protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets

nothing at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her.

Sigh...Barbie (sorry I keep writing your name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy

so don't worry about contacting the IDF. Unless you want to. : )Happy and Safe

Halloween to all. mom to CVIDer, 7[Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

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We were also told not to vaccinate our oldest son with CVID and have decided to

do just one vaccine at a time with our youngest son, which amounts to more trips

to the doctor, but we feel is safer if our son has a weak immune system, which

is not able to be determined yet (newborn). However, we are not to do any live

vaccines for at least a year according to our immunologist.

 

 

From: LINDA A <lsa5885@...>

Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:33 PM

Hi,

We were also told not to vaccinate. My son has an IgG deficiency. We would never

vaccinate him, or any of our children again, as we've done our homework, and we

personally consider vaccines ,at this time, to be dangerous for all humans.

When the government cleans up the vaccines, changes the schedule, and omits the

unnecessary ones, we may reconsider, but not until then. IMHO.

Take good care...

groups (DOT) comFrom: iamlaurasmith@ hotmail.comDate: Sat, 1 Nov 2008

00:58:47 +0000Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

Hey,This is just our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last

year, everyone in the house had the flu for a good week...except that is!

LOL Maybe we were just lucky.groups (DOT) comFrom:

mother5590 (DOT) comDate: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re:

Flu Shot RevisitedWell that is the info I have had for that last few years. But

I wondered if there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me

with how the vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties

to help with the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a

shelf life of 18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it

would expire today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from

the Southern Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps

us and then it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based

on that it is impossible for

the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give him the vaccine

especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his risk is too high to

get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE ____________ _________ _________

__From: Schulman <dietdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> Post

<groups (DOT) com>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject:

Flu Shot RevisitedWelcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance

to introduce myself or say hello. I'll write more later. : )Just following up

with our discussion from yesterday... .I spoke with my pharmacist who works for

a major immune globulin company. She confirmed that, although the product will

help the general state of the immune system, it will not protect against the

flu. She explained that the strain is different each year and that,

theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not be in the vials. She did

reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of

secondary infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their physicians.

(Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is right for your

child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many will not produce

antibodies to it. My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and

family doc both want her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in

the off chance, that she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course,

she has an unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this

year we are trying something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units

rather than .5 units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose

is not protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets

nothing at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her.

Sigh...Barbie (sorry I keep writing your

name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy so don't worry about contacting the IDF.

Unless you want to. : )Happy and Safe Halloween to all. mom to CVIDer,

7

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Generally kids with gamma globulin do not need to vaccinate EXCEPT they have

had us get a flu vaccine because supposedly it is not covered in the infusion

for the reasons I previously posted. We have been doing it for the past 8 years.

We did do some other vaccines with my son with PID initially at a very slow rate

but my son had rotten reactions to them. I did not do any live vaccines even at

that and it is recommended that most kids with immune not get live vaccines even

if they are not on gamma globulin.

The discussion we are having now is in reference to the flu vaccine and not

being necessary to get it because it is in the gamma globulin. 28,000 people in

the US die each year with influenza with the majority of them being children and

elderly so it is one of those vaccines that will not irradicate the disease but

will hopefully reduce the # that die each year. Other diseases like measles and

pertussis have very few cases in comparison although the numbers seem to be

rising. I personally agree with the risk vs benefit and right now they need to

clean up the act but.... I have concerns with the flu because of the # of

influenza that turn in to MRSA pnuemonia and there is very little that can be

done even with a normal immune system. These are such hard choices to make and

particularly with our kids. I wish I had the answers but I just keep trying to

look at risk vs benefits as I try to make choices for my family. BARBIE son to

Lucas PID 12

________________________________

From: gillespie <julieg52@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:56:05 PM

Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

We were also told not to vaccinate our oldest son with CVID and have decided to

do just one vaccine at a time with our youngest son, which amounts to more trips

to the doctor, but we feel is safer if our son has a weak immune system, which

is not able to be determined yet (newborn). However, we are not to do any live

vaccines for at least a year according to our immunologist.

From: LINDA A <lsa5885msn (DOT) com>

Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:33 PM

Hi,

We were also told not to vaccinate. My son has an IgG deficiency. We would never

vaccinate him, or any of our children again, as we've done our homework, and we

personally consider vaccines ,at this time, to be dangerous for all humans.

When the government cleans up the vaccines, changes the schedule, and omits the

unnecessary ones, we may reconsider, but not until then. IMHO.

Take good care...

groups (DOT) comFrom: iamlaurasmith@ hotmail.comDate: Sat, 1 Nov 2008

00:58:47 +0000Subject: RE: Flu Shot Revisited

Hey,This is just our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last

year, everyone in the house had the flu for a good week...except that is!

LOL Maybe we were just lucky.groups (DOT) comFrom:

mother5590 (DOT) comDate: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re:

Flu Shot RevisitedWell that is the info I have had for that last few years. But

I wondered if there was anything new happening. It does not make sense to me

with how the vaccine is acquired and manufactured that it could have properties

to help with the protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a

shelf life of 18 months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it

would expire today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from

the Southern Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps

us and then it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based

on that it is impossible for

the gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give him the vaccine

especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his risk is too high to

get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE ____________ _________ _________

__From: Schulman <dietdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> Post

<@groups . com>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject:

Flu Shot RevisitedWelcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance

to introduce myself or say hello. I'll write more later. : )Just following up

with our discussion from yesterday... .I spoke with my pharmacist who works for

a major immune globulin company. She confirmed that, although the product will

help the general state of the immune system, it will not protect against the

flu. She explained that the strain is different each year and that,

theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not be in the vials. She did

reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of

secondary infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their physicians.

(Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks is right for your

child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the shot and many will not produce

antibodies to it. My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and

family doc both want her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and, in

the off chance, that she produces some transient antibodies to it. Of course,

she has an unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this

year we are trying something new... We are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units

rather than .5 units) across a few weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose

is not protocol. But, for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets

nothing at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her.

Sigh...Barbie (sorry I keep writing your

name wrong) : ) -- I know you're busy so don't worry about contacting the IDF.

Unless you want to. : )Happy and Safe Halloween to all. mom to CVIDer,

7

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Hi,

I have one more thing to share regarding the flu vaccine, and I'll put this to

rest.

Our government, the CDC, " GUESSED " , incorrectly for the past four years when

they decided which strains of influenza to vaccinate our country against.

This means that no one was protected from the strains of influenza viruses that

were actually circulating throughout our country. And further more, each and

every human that received a flu vaccine was then exposed to other strains of

influenza, not to mention horrible inert ingredients, that they would never have

been exposed to in the first place.

This is true, and this is why I personally have no intention of ever receiving

or letting my family, ever receive a flu vaccine.

You know, it's a personal choice that we must make for our children, as well as

ourselves. Obviously, I feel strongly about this, but want you all to know that

whatever everyone else chooses is up to them.

Take good care...

@...: mother5590@...: Sat, 1 Nov 2008

18:48:50 -0700Subject: Re: Flu Shot Revisited

Generally kids with gamma globulin do not need to vaccinate EXCEPT they have had

us get a flu vaccine because supposedly it is not covered in the infusion for

the reasons I previously posted. We have been doing it for the past 8 years. We

did do some other vaccines with my son with PID initially at a very slow rate

but my son had rotten reactions to them. I did not do any live vaccines even at

that and it is recommended that most kids with immune not get live vaccines even

if they are not on gamma globulin. The discussion we are having now is in

reference to the flu vaccine and not being necessary to get it because it is in

the gamma globulin. 28,000 people in the US die each year with influenza with

the majority of them being children and elderly so it is one of those vaccines

that will not irradicate the disease but will hopefully reduce the # that die

each year. Other diseases like measles and pertussis have very few cases in

comparison although the numbers seem to be rising. I personally agree with the

risk vs benefit and right now they need to clean up the act but.... I have

concerns with the flu because of the # of influenza that turn in to MRSA

pnuemonia and there is very little that can be done even with a normal immune

system. These are such hard choices to make and particularly with our kids. I

wish I had the answers but I just keep trying to look at risk vs benefits as I

try to make choices for my family. BARBIE son to Lucas PID

12________________________________From: gillespie <julieg52@...>To:

@...: Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:56:05 PMSubject: RE:

Flu Shot RevisitedWe were also told not to vaccinate our oldest son

with CVID and have decided to do just one vaccine at a time with our youngest

son, which amounts to more trips to the doctor, but we feel is safer if our son

has a weak immune system, which is not able to be determined yet (newborn).

However, we are not to do any live vaccines for at least a year according to our

immunologist. From:

LINDA A <lsa5885msn (DOT) com>Subject: RE: Flu Shot RevisitedTo:

groups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 8:33 PMHi,We were also

told not to vaccinate. My son has an IgG deficiency. We would never vaccinate

him, or any of our children again, as we've done our homework, and we personally

consider vaccines ,at this time, to be dangerous for all humans. When the

government cleans up the vaccines, changes the schedule, and omits the

unnecessary ones, we may reconsider, but not until then. IMHO.Take good

care...groups (DOT) comFrom: iamlaurasmith@ hotmail.comDate: Sat, 1

Nov 2008 00:58:47 +0000Subject: RE: Flu Shot RevisitedHey,This is just

our experience, but our immuno told us not to vaccinate. Last year, everyone in

the house had the flu for a good week...except that is! LOL Maybe we were

just lucky.groups (DOT) comFrom: mother5590 (DOT) comDate: Fri,

31 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700Subject: Re: Flu Shot RevisitedWell that is

the info I have had for that last few years. But I wondered if there was

anything new happening. It does not make sense to me with how the vaccine is

acquired and manufactured that it could have properties to help with the

protection of the flu virus. I know the gamma globulin has a shelf life of 18

months so it has to have been made at least 2 years ago if it would expire

today. And if it happens as they say and they take the virus from the Southern

Hemisphere in there winter and make it for our winter then it helps us and then

it goes back to the southern hemisphere to make it for them So based on that it

is impossible forthe gamma globulin to have it in it. I would love to NOT give

him the vaccine especially because of the mercury in it but I think that his

risk is too high to get the flu to not get it. YUCK!!!!BARBIE ____________

_________ _________ __From: Schulman <dietdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>

Post <@groups . com>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00:36 PMSubject:

Flu Shot RevisitedWelcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance

to introduce myself or say hello. I'll write more later. : )Just following up

with our discussion from yesterday... .I spoke with my pharmacist who works for

a major immune globulin company. She confirmed that, although the product will

help the general state of the immune system, it will not protect against the

flu. She explained that the strain is different each year and that,

theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not be in the vials. She did

reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention ofsecondary infections -- and

possibly other potential complications. But she suggests that CVIDers get the

flu shot -- as directed by their physicians. (Again, it depends on each case and

what your Dr. thinks is right for your child.) Obviously, not everyone can

tolerate the shot and many will not produce antibodies to it. My daughter does

not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and family doc both want her to have it --

in case she is exposed to the flu and, in the off chance, that she produces some

transient antibodies to it. Of course, she has an unacceptable reaction to it

last year (likely, autoimmune). So, this year we are trying something new... We

are splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units rather than .5 units) across a few

weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose is not protocol. But, for her, it's

either trying it this way or she gets nothing at all. Tamiflu made her vomit the

last time we gave it to her. Sigh...Barbie (sorry I keep writing yourname wrong)

: ) -- I know you're busy so don't worry about contacting the IDF. Unless you

want to. : )Happy and Safe Halloween to all. mom to CVIDer, 7[Non-text

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--- Its a hard choice for many of us. Lesser of two evils, in most

cases, I think. I have four kids, three with CVID. My daughter has had

an egg allergy, and reacted to the flu shot when she was

younger....about 7-8 yrs old, with a horribly swollen arm, it was

hard, red, and extremely painful for over a week, even just air

blowing by that arm would cause her to scream in pain. She couldnt

sleep. It was awful. We've not given it to her since. My other three

kids always get the flu shot. Rarely, if ever, have they gotten actual

influenza. The one child we never vaccinate has gotten it

EVERY.SINGLE.YEAR. Every yr, weeks, if not over a month of her winter

is sucked up with the flu.......pain, fever, horrible asthma flares,

lost lung function.....and it takes her forever to get recovered after

its over.

We trialed giving her foods she is allergic to starting last spring,

there were no reactions, so we had her allergies tested again.....egg

no longer shows up. She's been eating it fine, with no problems. Ive

talked to both her pulmo and family dr.....we're going to try giving

her the flu shot this yr. Im worried:), of course, but we're going to

try it.

valarie

mom to three w/cvid

In , Schulman <dietdoc@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome new families! Sorry I have not had a chance to introduce

myself or say hello. I'll write more later. : )

>

> Just following up with our discussion from yesterday....

>

> I spoke with my pharmacist who works for a major immune globulin

company. She confirmed that, although the product will help the

general state of the immune system, it will not protect against the

flu. She explained that the strain is different each year and that,

theoretically, adequate IgG against it would not be in the vials. She

did reinforce that Gamunex will help with prevention of secondary

infections -- and possibly other potential complications. But she

suggests that CVIDers get the flu shot -- as directed by their

physicians. (Again, it depends on each case and what your Dr. thinks

is right for your child.) Obviously, not everyone can tolerate the

shot and many will not produce antibodies to it.

>

> My daughter does not tolerate the shot. But her immuno and family

doc both want her to have it -- in case she is exposed to the flu and,

in the off chance, that she produces some transient antibodies to it.

Of course, she has an unacceptable reaction to it last year (likely,

autoimmune). So, this year we are trying something new... We are

splitting the dose (.25 + .25 units rather than .5 units) across a few

weeks. So far, she is ok. Splitting the dose is not protocol. But,

for her, it's either trying it this way or she gets nothing at all.

Tamiflu made her vomit the last time we gave it to her. Sigh...

>

> Barbie (sorry I keep writing your name wrong) : ) -- I know you're

busy so don't worry about contacting the IDF. Unless you want to. : )

>

> Happy and Safe Halloween to all.

>

>

> mom to CVIDer, 7

>

>

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