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Elaine

Have you ever had his eyes checked properly?

I know Sue went to see soemone in NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing... If I rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with something else?

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>>The question I am asking is this has anyone managed to target this specifically >>with any degree of success and if so how?

It's a tough one!!

's stimming has almost entirely stopped now and doesn't come back unless he is feeling poorly. At one point he could barely walk he *jigged* so much (I have videos of him doing it at 24 months old). We did bigtime reinforcement for walking without jigging with gradual lengthening of the time before reinforcement and eventually he caught on that this was a *good* thing to do. We then faded reinforcement out. I still on the odd occasion give him reinforcement for "lovely walking".

Obviously redirection is also good but only if the reinforcement value of the redirection is greater than the automatic reinforcement of the stim! We found that providing with a tricycle or baby pushchair helped him to walk without stimming and providing something to bite helped him to stop biting his clothes, mouthing objects.

Have your ABA tutors done a functional analysis on his stimming? You can do one yourself to help understand any ways that you might be reinforcing it or to get a clearer picture of why he stims. (I would imagine that you've already done this but just thought I'd mention it.)

Also the development of play skills were one of the most important things for to reduce his stims. This was mostly accomplished in his VB programme - he was initially only interested in one thing - CARS. He was pretty much obsessed with them and so the tutors used this to condition up other toys, while gradually fading out the use of cars. Have they tried pairing up spinning with other toys or more constructive play skills?

Anyway, I hope something here helps, all the best,

Darla

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We have only had regular optician tests, is that any use?

>>Post for the attention of Sue Wilkinson and she will explain. I can say the word but I can type it looks all worng - behavioural optometry??? Google Irlen lenses that might help explain it

See you next week!

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My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change.

You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!!

Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading.

Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie.

all the best,

Darla

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We have only had regular optician tests,

is that any use?

Elaine

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Sent: 29 January 2007 13:56

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Elaine

Have you ever had his eyes checked

properly?

I know Sue went to see soemone in

NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing... If I

rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with something

else?

Luv Caroline

xxx

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Try googling Irlen lenses. There is a profession called optometry with

an institute in London part of whose stuff is available on NHS, part

not. Does he have difficulty with sequencing -- a lot of their work is

done with dyslexics -- can he catch a ball? Its related to coloured

backgrounds -- they give advice on making what you see stop wriggling

about.

Sally

Elaine Rankin wrote:

We have only had regular optician tests,

is that any use?

  Is 

Elaine

 

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Elaine

 

Have you ever had his eyes checked

properly?

 

I know Sue went to see soemone in

NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing...

If I

rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with

something

else?

 

Luv Caroline

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Hi Darla,

I haven’t done a functional analysis on

this for ages. I think that would be a

good place to start! Will get onto it.

My only concern is that he is now 9 and I

am worried that they will be difficult to change.

Elaine

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Sent: 29 January 2007 14:22

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In a message dated 29/01/2007 13:02:06

GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankinmindless writes:

>>The question I am asking is this

has anyone managed to target this specifically >>with any degree of

success and if so how?

It's a tough one!!

's stimming has almost entirely

stopped now and doesn't come back unless he is feeling poorly. At one

point he could barely walk he *jigged* so much (I have videos of him doing it

at 24 months old). We did bigtime reinforcement for walking without jigging

with gradual lengthening of the time before reinforcement and

eventually he caught on that this was a *good* thing to do. We then

faded reinforcement out. I still on the odd occasion give him

reinforcement for " lovely walking " .

Obviously redirection is also good but

only if the reinforcement value of the redirection is greater than the

automatic reinforcement of the stim! We found that providing with a

tricycle or baby pushchair helped him to walk without stimming and providing

something to bite helped him to stop biting his clothes, mouthing

objects.

Have your ABA tutors done a functional analysis on his

stimming? You can do one yourself to help understand any ways that you

might be reinforcing it or to get a clearer picture of why he stims. (I

would imagine that you've already done this but just thought I'd mention it.)

Also the development of play skills were

one of the most important things for to reduce his stims. This was

mostly accomplished in his VB programme - he was initially only interested in

one thing - CARS. He was pretty much obsessed with them and so the tutors

used this to condition up other toys, while gradually fading out the use

of cars. Have they tried pairing up spinning with other toys or more

constructive play skills?

Anyway, I hope something here helps, all

the best,

Darla

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Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is not too old, no age is too old!

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In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankinmindless writes:

My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change.

You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!!

Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading.

Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie.

all the best,

Darla

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Thanks for posting that, it's so true.

Tom wasn't speaking last year. The occasional word or phrase but very

rare. Now he uses some language every single day. His language is

probably at that of a 20 month to 2 year old. But six months ago it

was at less than a one year old (albeit one who swears occasionally).

He does have a somewhat monotonous voice at present but he is able to

hear the music in speech and sometimes copies that as a task in itself.

Today he has said " toast " , " drink " " fizzy " " Toast and marmite " (dream

on Tom), " Hello mummy " and named about forty items from picture cards

during fast trials. Also requested shampoo (!) and towel after his

bath. He has major echolalia at the moment but in a learning sense

rather than tuned out sense. I have realised however that it's going

to be a long time before he can use his language to have a proper

conversation. LIke learning French or something, one word and phrase

at a time.

DMSA is about the only chelator we haven't tried. Hmm.

>

> Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of

dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering

her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is

not too old, no age is too old!

>

>

> Re: stimming

>

>

>

> In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time,

Elaine.Rankin@... writes:

> My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they

will be difficult to change.

>

> You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not

too old!!!

>

> Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and

condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming

and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it

as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing

stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just

got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading.

>

> Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to

be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively

for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's

a happier chappie.

>

> all the best,

> Darla

>

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Hi everyone,

Thank you thankyou thank you for your

responses. I didn’t realise I

needed a kick up the **** until I read the replies. I promise that I am not giving up and never

have given up on . I will beat the

stimming and I will keep you posted and Darla I will take on board everything

you have said. It is funny how you go

along reading and answering and suddenly you post a question and everyone

rallies round. I seriously think that

this list is great and can’t wait to meet you all.

Thanks again,

Must go I have a functional analysis to

do!!!!!!!

Elaine

From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of stephaniesirr

Sent: 29 January 2007 18:31

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Subject:

Re: stimming

Thanks for posting that, it's so true.

Tom wasn't speaking last year. The occasional word or phrase but very

rare. Now he uses some language every single day. His language is

probably at that of a 20 month to 2 year old. But six months ago it

was at less than a one year old (albeit one who swears occasionally).

He does have a somewhat monotonous voice at present but he is able to

hear the music in speech and sometimes copies that as a task in itself.

Today he has said " toast " , " drink " " fizzy "

" Toast and marmite " (dream

on Tom), " Hello mummy " and named about forty items from picture cards

during fast trials. Also requested shampoo (!) and towel after his

bath. He has major echolalia at the moment but in a learning sense

rather than tuned out sense. I have realised however that it's going

to be a long time before he can use his language to have a proper

conversation. LIke learning French or something, one word and phrase

at a time.

DMSA is about the only chelator we haven't tried. Hmm.

>

> Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of

dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering

her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is

not too old, no age is too old!

>

>

> Re: stimming

>

>

>

> In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time,

Elaine.Rankin@... writes:

> My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they

will be difficult to change.

>

> You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not

too old!!!

>

> Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and

condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming

and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it

as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing

stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just

got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading.

>

> Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to

be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively

for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's

a happier chappie.

>

> all the best,

> Darla

>

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Dear Elaine,

You know thats EXCATLY what I thot last night, s behaviour is a nightmare and I been thinkming a lot about this yesterday. I woke up this moirning with a new approach to this and I am going to post a biggie on it later, thank you so much for your stuff yesterday cos you helped lotsa us and made us think.

And you are right this is a fab list and the nicest one i ever been on and we gonna have an awesome time at the Conference, dont let me have too much wine or my behaviour deteriorates just like rebecca, mmmm, maybe THATS what shes been up to.

Luv her really shes awesome!

Luv Caroline

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Another question I have is , do any of you have a child that will focus or stare

at something and imagine things (described as a movie that he makes up going on

in head) and stim while doing this?

I am really trying to find answers and where I need to be for diagnosing.

Thanks to all your help so far. We are just starting to figure out what to do.

Any input would be appreciated as we are very new to this.

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