Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Elaine Have you ever had his eyes checked properly? I know Sue went to see soemone in NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing... If I rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with something else? Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 >>The question I am asking is this has anyone managed to target this specifically >>with any degree of success and if so how? It's a tough one!! 's stimming has almost entirely stopped now and doesn't come back unless he is feeling poorly. At one point he could barely walk he *jigged* so much (I have videos of him doing it at 24 months old). We did bigtime reinforcement for walking without jigging with gradual lengthening of the time before reinforcement and eventually he caught on that this was a *good* thing to do. We then faded reinforcement out. I still on the odd occasion give him reinforcement for "lovely walking". Obviously redirection is also good but only if the reinforcement value of the redirection is greater than the automatic reinforcement of the stim! We found that providing with a tricycle or baby pushchair helped him to walk without stimming and providing something to bite helped him to stop biting his clothes, mouthing objects. Have your ABA tutors done a functional analysis on his stimming? You can do one yourself to help understand any ways that you might be reinforcing it or to get a clearer picture of why he stims. (I would imagine that you've already done this but just thought I'd mention it.) Also the development of play skills were one of the most important things for to reduce his stims. This was mostly accomplished in his VB programme - he was initially only interested in one thing - CARS. He was pretty much obsessed with them and so the tutors used this to condition up other toys, while gradually fading out the use of cars. Have they tried pairing up spinning with other toys or more constructive play skills? Anyway, I hope something here helps, all the best, Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 We have only had regular optician tests, is that any use? >>Post for the attention of Sue Wilkinson and she will explain. I can say the word but I can type it looks all worng - behavioural optometry??? Google Irlen lenses that might help explain it See you next week! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Darla Wonderful post I love that VB/ABA talk... Am I weird or should I just become a BCBA and get it over with? Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change. You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!! Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading. Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie. all the best, Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Darla I think you are such a star well done that woman!! Especially for all you hav edone today with You tube as well. Cant wait to meet you. Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Oh Crikey that is awesome! Thanks for posting so much... Really encouraging to many of us with older kids. Luv cAROLINE XXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 We have only had regular optician tests, is that any use? Elaine From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of CarolineTraa@... Sent: 29 January 2007 13:56 Autism Treatment Subject: Re: stimming Elaine Have you ever had his eyes checked properly? I know Sue went to see soemone in NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing... If I rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with something else? Luv Caroline xxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Try googling Irlen lenses. There is a profession called optometry with an institute in London part of whose stuff is available on NHS, part not. Does he have difficulty with sequencing -- a lot of their work is done with dyslexics -- can he catch a ball? Its related to coloured backgrounds -- they give advice on making what you see stop wriggling about. Sally Elaine Rankin wrote: We have only had regular optician tests, is that any use?  Is Elaine  From: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com [mailto: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com ] On Behalf Of CarolineTraa@ aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 13:56 Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com Subject: Re: stimming  Elaine  Have you ever had his eyes checked properly?  I know Sue went to see soemone in NY,might have been about Kaplan lenses or Prism lenses or soemthing... If I rememeber it really helped with stimming or am I mixing that up with something else?  Luv Caroline xxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi Darla, I haven’t done a functional analysis on this for ages. I think that would be a good place to start! Will get onto it. My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change. Elaine From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of rexel45@... Sent: 29 January 2007 14:22 Autism Treatment Subject: Re: stimming In a message dated 29/01/2007 13:02:06 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankinmindless writes: >>The question I am asking is this has anyone managed to target this specifically >>with any degree of success and if so how? It's a tough one!! 's stimming has almost entirely stopped now and doesn't come back unless he is feeling poorly. At one point he could barely walk he *jigged* so much (I have videos of him doing it at 24 months old). We did bigtime reinforcement for walking without jigging with gradual lengthening of the time before reinforcement and eventually he caught on that this was a *good* thing to do. We then faded reinforcement out. I still on the odd occasion give him reinforcement for " lovely walking " . Obviously redirection is also good but only if the reinforcement value of the redirection is greater than the automatic reinforcement of the stim! We found that providing with a tricycle or baby pushchair helped him to walk without stimming and providing something to bite helped him to stop biting his clothes, mouthing objects. Have your ABA tutors done a functional analysis on his stimming? You can do one yourself to help understand any ways that you might be reinforcing it or to get a clearer picture of why he stims. (I would imagine that you've already done this but just thought I'd mention it.) Also the development of play skills were one of the most important things for to reduce his stims. This was mostly accomplished in his VB programme - he was initially only interested in one thing - CARS. He was pretty much obsessed with them and so the tutors used this to condition up other toys, while gradually fading out the use of cars. Have they tried pairing up spinning with other toys or more constructive play skills? Anyway, I hope something here helps, all the best, Darla -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is not too old, no age is too old! Re: stimming In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankinmindless writes: My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change. You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!! Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading. Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie. all the best, Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Thanks for posting that, it's so true. Tom wasn't speaking last year. The occasional word or phrase but very rare. Now he uses some language every single day. His language is probably at that of a 20 month to 2 year old. But six months ago it was at less than a one year old (albeit one who swears occasionally). He does have a somewhat monotonous voice at present but he is able to hear the music in speech and sometimes copies that as a task in itself. Today he has said " toast " , " drink " " fizzy " " Toast and marmite " (dream on Tom), " Hello mummy " and named about forty items from picture cards during fast trials. Also requested shampoo (!) and towel after his bath. He has major echolalia at the moment but in a learning sense rather than tuned out sense. I have realised however that it's going to be a long time before he can use his language to have a proper conversation. LIke learning French or something, one word and phrase at a time. DMSA is about the only chelator we haven't tried. Hmm. > > Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is not too old, no age is too old! > > > Re: stimming > > > > In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankin@... writes: > My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change. > > You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!! > > Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading. > > Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie. > > all the best, > Darla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hi everyone, Thank you thankyou thank you for your responses. I didn’t realise I needed a kick up the **** until I read the replies. I promise that I am not giving up and never have given up on . I will beat the stimming and I will keep you posted and Darla I will take on board everything you have said. It is funny how you go along reading and answering and suddenly you post a question and everyone rallies round. I seriously think that this list is great and can’t wait to meet you all. Thanks again, Must go I have a functional analysis to do!!!!!!! Elaine From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of stephaniesirr Sent: 29 January 2007 18:31 Autism Treatment Subject: Re: stimming Thanks for posting that, it's so true. Tom wasn't speaking last year. The occasional word or phrase but very rare. Now he uses some language every single day. His language is probably at that of a 20 month to 2 year old. But six months ago it was at less than a one year old (albeit one who swears occasionally). He does have a somewhat monotonous voice at present but he is able to hear the music in speech and sometimes copies that as a task in itself. Today he has said " toast " , " drink " " fizzy " " Toast and marmite " (dream on Tom), " Hello mummy " and named about forty items from picture cards during fast trials. Also requested shampoo (!) and towel after his bath. He has major echolalia at the moment but in a learning sense rather than tuned out sense. I have realised however that it's going to be a long time before he can use his language to have a proper conversation. LIke learning French or something, one word and phrase at a time. DMSA is about the only chelator we haven't tried. Hmm. > > Just read on my Ohio Biomed Board of a mom doing the third round of dmsa and her 9 year old previously, totally NONVERBAL son is answering her questions, really, how unbelievably unbelievable is that. Nine is not too old, no age is too old! > > > Re: stimming > > > > In a message dated 29/01/2007 15:09:47 GMT Standard Time, Elaine.Rankin@... writes: > My only concern is that he is now 9 and I am worried that they will be difficult to change. > > You might get an extinction burst but he is only 9 - that's not too old!!! > > Stop any and all inadvertant reinforcement of the behaviours and condition up a reinforcer that is MORE reinforcing than the stimming and you can help him to change. You can, you can!!! Just think of it as a battle of competing reinforcers, you get the more reinforcing stimulus in your hands and you are halfway there - then you've just got to persist like hell through the extinction burst and begin fading. > > Every time we come up against a behaviour I think it is going to be awful getting rid of it and waaahhh laaaah we target it intensively for a few days, weather the extinction bursts and out it goes and he's a happier chappie. > > all the best, > Darla > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 28/01/2007 13:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Dear Elaine, You know thats EXCATLY what I thot last night, s behaviour is a nightmare and I been thinkming a lot about this yesterday. I woke up this moirning with a new approach to this and I am going to post a biggie on it later, thank you so much for your stuff yesterday cos you helped lotsa us and made us think. And you are right this is a fab list and the nicest one i ever been on and we gonna have an awesome time at the Conference, dont let me have too much wine or my behaviour deteriorates just like rebecca, mmmm, maybe THATS what shes been up to. Luv her really shes awesome! Luv Caroline xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Another question I have is , do any of you have a child that will focus or stare at something and imagine things (described as a movie that he makes up going on in head) and stim while doing this? I am really trying to find answers and where I need to be for diagnosing. Thanks to all your help so far. We are just starting to figure out what to do. Any input would be appreciated as we are very new to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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