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thanks - they have contacted the lab in California and her immuno to

double check but we've not heard anything yet.

Ursula

@...: hobbsfamily@...: Wed, 12 Nov 2008

20:38:10 -0500Subject: Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,This is from the Prometheus website and something to

consider with CVIDpatients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and

IgA antibodies,which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going

to run thistest but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You

mightwant to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through

withthis expensive test.PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive

inflammatory boweldisease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary

and patentedmarkers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition

technology,results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate

betweenulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of

serologicmarkers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help

predictdisease behavior. . A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with

the Smart DiagnosticAlgorithmb (pattern-recognition technology) for IBD

prediction anddifferentiation . PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at

Prometheus . Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube .

Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated . Storage Conditions/Stability -

7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated . Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days .

Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the SmartDiagnostic

Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognosticinterpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA:

<16.5 EU/mL Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL IFA

Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected DNAse Sensitivitya: Not DetectedHope this

helps!Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failureMeredith, 3

- GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure, 9 - healthyCarmel,

INwww.caringbridge.org/visit/mhobbs[Non-text portions of this message have been

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,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody stools

and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is currently Gtube

fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that he

must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which still

showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had coffee

ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning him

off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing could

have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is again

losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is unreliable

in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognition technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

. Storage Conditions/Stability - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge.org/visit/mhobbs

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I think we have to realize that any of these tests are inaccurate also the ELISA

Allergy testing. Since these kids do not build anitbodies in other areas of

there immune systems what is to say that they can in these tests. I would find

another GI doc to look at your son at a major medical center.

BARBIE

________________________________

From: Patty Lapinski <plapinski@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:27:15 AM

Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody stools

and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is currently Gtube

fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that he

must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which still

showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had coffee

ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning him

off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing could

have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is again

losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is unreliable

in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

.. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognitio n technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

.. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

.. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

.. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

.. Storage Conditions/Stabilit y - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

.. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

.. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge. org/visit/ mhobbs

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I don't know that it's accurate or inaccurate. I'm seeking opinions here at our

Major medical center (Emory University) and the consensus is that the test

itself in immunecompetent or immune deficient patients has its problems. so we

ran the test but also ran a Sed rate, CRP, albumin and platelet count. those

along with the colonoscopy could have the indicators we need.

Ursula

@...: mother5590@...: Thu, 13 Nov 2008

08:55:23 -0800Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

I think we have to realize that any of these tests are inaccurate also the ELISA

Allergy testing. Since these kids do not build anitbodies in other areas of

there immune systems what is to say that they can in these tests. I would find

another GI doc to look at your son at a major medical center.BARBIE

________________________________From: Patty Lapinski <plapinski@...>To:

@...: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:27:15 AMSubject: Re:

Prometheus testing,I don't post often at all but your post this

morning really caught my eye.I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody

deficiency. In 2005 he underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight

loss and bloody stools and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time.

He is currently Gtube fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the

crohns.Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the

Prometheus testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis

that he must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which

still showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had coffee

ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small intestinal

tract.The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning

him off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing

could have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is again

losing weight.Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it

is unreliable in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it

to him.Thanks for sharing,Patty

Prometheus testingUrsula and and others,This is from the

Prometheus website and something to consider with CVIDpatients - part of the

testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,which may or may not be

present in CVID patients. We were going to run thistest but both GIs we've seen

said that it wouldn't be reliable. You mightwant to bring this info to your

respective doctors before going through withthis expensive test.PROMETHEUSR IBD

Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory boweldisease (IBD) test

available. Utilizing several proprietary and patentedmarkers and incorporating

sophisticated pattern recognition technology,results may help physicians

diagnose IBD and differentiate betweenulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's

disease (CD). Knowledge of serologicmarkers may help determine more severe

disease phenotypes, and help predictdisease behavior. . A quantitative analysis

of bio-markers combined with the Smart DiagnosticAlgorithmb (pattern-recognitio

n technology) for IBD prediction anddifferentiation . PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7

is only offered at Prometheus . Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or

Red Top Tube . Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated . Storage

Conditions/Stabilit y - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated . Turn Around Time

- 3 to 4 days . Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the

SmartDiagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for

prognosticinterpretation. ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0

EU/mL Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected DNAse

Sensitivitya: Not DetectedHope this helps!Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID,

central respiratory failureMeredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory

failure, 9 - healthyCarmel, INwww.caringbridge. org/visit/

mhobbs

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Ursula and Patty,

I'm so sorry your children are suffering with GI problems and am thinking of you

both.

When my daughter was given the Prometheus (sp?) tests in 2004, we were also told

not to take them too seriously because of the CVID. Our GI doc (#3) suggested a

series of biopsies if she continued with GI issues. (Incidentally, when GI doc

#1 didn't find WBCs in her bloody stool and pronounced her " fine " the immuno

shot back with: " you can't draw that conclusion if she is not producing enough

WBCs " . Our kids are just so difficult to diagnose -- and common sense becomes

so crucial.)

Please keep us posted.

mom to CVIDer, 7

________________________________

From: Patty Lapinski <plapinski@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:27:15 AM

Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody stools

and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is currently Gtube

fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that he

must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which still

showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had coffee

ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning him

off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing could

have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is again

losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is unreliable

in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

.. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognitio n technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

.. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

.. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

.. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

.. Storage Conditions/Stabilit y - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

.. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

.. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge. org/visit/ mhobbs

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http://www.prometheuslabs.com/Resources/Serology/IBD_Serology7_ProductDetail

..pdf

It doesn't say it isn't accurate for CVID patients. What is says is that

it's looking for some IgG and IgA antibody levels. Well, if you have

problems producing IgG and/or IgA, then a negative test can't be deemed

reliable. On the flip side, there was some concern that a positive test

could be a false positive in someone getting IgG replacement (IVIG or subQ).

I think what Ursula posted as their plan for Macey is what we did for

diagnostic purposes - sed rate, CRP, biopsy results.

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Patty Lapinski

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:27 AM

Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody

stools and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is

currently Gtube fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that

he must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which

still showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had

coffee ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small

intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning

him off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing

could have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is

again losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is

unreliable in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it

to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

.. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognition technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

.. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

.. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

.. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

.. Storage Conditions/Stability - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

.. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

.. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge.org/visit/mhobbs

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I don't think this link worked. Go to www.prometheuslabs.com, scroll over

" products and services " , go down to " diagnostics " , then click on " IBD

serology " . Then look down about halfway for " IBD Serology 7 product detail "

and click that to get the page I sent.

~

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Hobbs

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:34 PM

Subject: RE: Prometheus testing

http://www.prometheuslabs.com/Resources/Serology/IBD_Serology7_ProductDetail

..pdf

It doesn't say it isn't accurate for CVID patients. What is says is that

it's looking for some IgG and IgA antibody levels. Well, if you have

problems producing IgG and/or IgA, then a negative test can't be deemed

reliable. On the flip side, there was some concern that a positive test

could be a false positive in someone getting IgG replacement (IVIG or subQ).

I think what Ursula posted as their plan for Macey is what we did for

diagnostic purposes - sed rate, CRP, biopsy results.

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf

Of

Patty Lapinski

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:27 AM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody

stools and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is

currently Gtube fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that

he must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which

still showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had

coffee ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small

intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning

him off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing

could have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is

again losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is

unreliable in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it

to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

.. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognition technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

.. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

.. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

.. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

.. Storage Conditions/Stability - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

.. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

.. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge.org/visit/mhobbs

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That makes sense, . I suppose interpretation of the test depends on the

type of deficits within CVID or any other diagnosis.

We're thinking of Macey and sending prayers.

________________________________

From: Hobbs <hobbsfamily@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:34:17 PM

Subject: RE: Prometheus testing

http://www.promethe uslabs.com/ Resources/ Serology/ IBD_Serology7_

ProductDetail

..pdf

It doesn't say it isn't accurate for CVID patients. What is says is that

it's looking for some IgG and IgA antibody levels. Well, if you have

problems producing IgG and/or IgA, then a negative test can't be deemed

reliable. On the flip side, there was some concern that a positive test

could be a false positive in someone getting IgG replacement (IVIG or subQ).

I think what Ursula posted as their plan for Macey is what we did for

diagnostic purposes - sed rate, CRP, biopsy results.

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of

Patty Lapinski

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:27 AM

groups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Prometheus testing

,

I don't post often at all but your post this morning really caught my eye.

I have a son with CVID and polysaccharide antibody deficiency. In 2005 he

underwent a colonoscopy due to a rapid 15 pound weight loss and bloody

stools and was given a diagnosis of crohn's disease at the time. He is

currently Gtube fed and on a whole bunch of medications for the crohns.

Recently his GI doctor has got it into his head that because the Prometheus

testing on him comes back negative for crohn's and ulcerative colitis that

he must not have it. Also he underwent another colonoscopy in July which

still showed bleeding and inflammation throughout his GI tract and he had

coffee ground blood in his stomach that was coming up from the small

intestinal tract.

The GI doctor has decided to stop treating him for crohn's and is weaning

him off the medications and the Gtube feeds. I asked if the negative testing

could have anything to do with his immune deficiency and he said no. He is

again losing weight.

Where can I go to print off this material you found that says it is

unreliable in immune deficient conditions so I can print it off and show it

to him.

Thanks for sharing,

Patty

Prometheus testing

Ursula and and others,

This is from the Prometheus website and something to consider with CVID

patients - part of the testing is based on specific IgG and IgA antibodies,

which may or may not be present in CVID patients. We were going to run this

test but both GIs we've seen said that it wouldn't be reliable. You might

want to bring this info to your respective doctors before going through with

this expensive test.

PROMETHEUSR IBD Serology 7 is the most comprehensive inflammatory bowel

disease (IBD) test available. Utilizing several proprietary and patented

markers and incorporating sophisticated pattern recognition technology,

results may help physicians diagnose IBD and differentiate between

ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn's disease (CD). Knowledge of serologic

markers may help determine more severe disease phenotypes, and help predict

disease behavior.

.. A quantitative analysis of bio-markers combined with the Smart Diagnostic

Algorithmb (pattern-recognitio n technology) for IBD prediction and

differentiation

.. PROMETHEUS IBD Serology 7 is only offered at Prometheus

.. Specimen Requirements - Serum, 2.0 mL: SST or Red Top Tube

.. Shipping and Handling - Ambient or refrigerated

.. Storage Conditions/Stabilit y - 7 days ambient; 14 days refrigerated

.. Turn Around Time - 3 to 4 days

.. Reference Range: NOTE: Patient test results are based on the Smart

Diagnostic Algorithm. Assay and reference values are provided for prognostic

interpretation.

ASCA IgA ELISA: <20.0 EU/mL

ASCA IgG ELISA: <40.0 EU/mL

Anti-OmpCa IgA ELISA: <16.5 EU/mL

Anti-CBir1a ELISA: <21.0 EU/mL

AutoAntibody ELISA: <12.1 EU/mL

IFA Perinuclear Pattern: Not Detected

DNAse Sensitivitya: Not Detected

Hope this helps!

Mom to , 6 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

Meredith, 3 - GSD, CVID, central respiratory failure

, 9 - healthy

Carmel, IN

www.caringbridge. org/visit/ mhobbs

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Well she started out this morning not being able to use the bathroom. They put

a catheter in and left it for 8 hours. Took it out at 2pm and she was finally

able to go herself at around 3 pm. They came by a minute ago to draw the new

lab work. and now we're waiting for our discharge Lortab and to get the IV out.

Follow up will be in 2 weeks. Ursula

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