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Sigh. I have the hardest time with things like this.DS acted up at school today and got hauled out of class. Then he goofed around doing his homework (basically guessing at the multiple choice instead of doing the work and lying to me about it). Now he's having a conniption because of the consequences. (I took away his "screens" (tv/ds/pc/wii). We talk about good behavior having rewards and poor choices having consequences ad nauseum. I realize some of the behavior is due to poor impulse control and his inability to think things through from beginning to end. But we also always tell him "Autism is an explanation, not an Excuse. You have to work harder than other people." Because it's NOT an excuse--he has to learn to function in the world.It just hurts my heart more to

discipline him, because it feels a bit like kicking a puppy. sigh. I know it has to be done, but I have the hardest time doing it--even when I know it's right. I know I am not doing him any favors letting him skate on bad behavior. But it's tough.Sorry--just had to vent.Marilyn

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Good for You Marilyn. It's a good thing You're doing for him. Even puppies definitely know what not to do. And kids are experts at knowing what they shouldn't do.

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Discipline and Autism

Sigh. I have the hardest time with things like this.

DS acted up at school today and got hauled out of class. Then he goofed around doing his homework (basically guessing at the multiple choice instead of doing the work and lying to me about it). Now he's having a conniption because of the consequences. (I took away his "screens" (tv/ds/pc/wii).

We talk about good behavior having rewards and poor choices having consequences ad nauseum. I realize some of the behavior is due to poor impulse control and his inability to think things through from beginning to end. But we also always tell him "Autism is an explanation, not an Excuse. You have to work harder than other people." Because it's NOT an excuse--he has to learn to function in the world.

It just hurts my heart more to discipline him, because it feels a bit like kicking a puppy. sigh. I know it has to be done, but I have the hardest time doing it--even when I know it's right. I know I am not doing him any favors letting him skate on bad behavior. But it's tough.

Sorry--just had to vent.

Marilyn

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It will pay off eventually.  I just got back from my son's

appointment with his paediatrician.  It was good (in a way) to see

him squirm while she asked him why he didn't get his homework done,

or why he didn't hand it in when he had it finished.  At least he

knows now that this matters to real people, not just to parents and

teachers.  My son spent the first 4 weeks of his Christmas holidays

without "screens" because he was catching up on work he hadn't done

during the year, and went one day for every mark hefailed any

subject by.  For the first time he realised that the consequences of

not doing homework went beyond annoying teachers and parents.  He

has now had the paediatrician tell him he is achieving way below his

ability and what was he going to do about it.  I think he realises

that she is not going to write a letter telling the school to ease

off on him, but rather expects him to work out how to cope.  Experts

can be frustrating at times, but sometimes you really do love them

:)

On 25/02/2011 9:07 AM, marilyn wrote:

 

Sigh. I have the

hardest time with things like this.

DS acted up at school today and got hauled out of class.

Then he goofed around doing his homework (basically

guessing at the multiple choice instead of doing the work

and lying to me about it). Now he's having a conniption

because of the consequences. (I took away his "screens"

(tv/ds/pc/wii).

We talk about good behavior having rewards and poor

choices having consequences ad nauseum. I realize some of

the behavior is due to poor impulse control and his

inability to think things through from beginning to end.

But we also always tell him "Autism is an explanation, not

an Excuse. You have to work harder than other people."

Because it's NOT an excuse--he has to learn to function in

the world.

It just hurts my heart more to discipline him, because it

feels a bit like kicking a puppy. sigh. I know it has to

be done, but I have the hardest time doing it--even when I

know it's right. I know I am not doing him any favors

letting him skate on bad behavior.  But it's tough.

Sorry--just had to vent.

Marilyn

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My son spent most of his Christmas holidays without computers or

games, and working on homework that either wasn't done or wasn't

handed in.  He was hoping to be allowed to work over the holidays,

but that was vetoed on the grounds that you can't work when you're

grounded.  He got a big shock when I told him the school did not

have to promote him from year 10 to year 11 when he had failed two

(almost 3) subjects.  The thought of repeating year 10 was almost

too much for him.  I get annoyed about homework not done, but even

more when it is done but not handed in.  What is the point of

that??!!

I think you need to work on this as early as possible.  The hardest

part I found was getting the school to let me know when there was a

problem.  Getting an email a week before the term ends with "Ben has

not handed in any homework" is not useful.  It needs to come early

enough for the problem to be dealt with.  I think we are making

progress, but it really has been a slow process.  I wish you luck

with getting through to your son a little sooner than we have.

KEvin

On 25/02/2011 11:12 AM, Eleanor Oster wrote:

 

One of the things we have emphasized with Isaac since he

was VERY young

was the whole concept of "actions consequences" which

upset some folks

(he was born in Berkeley CA where folks don't believe in

anything that

might "crush the child's spirit", oh give me a MOFO

break!).

We've been struggling with that this week, since there's a

lot of his

homework that apparently never got turned in! Let's just

say the fit is

hitting the shan, and he's been mostly confined to his

room this week

(no school because of break). I pointed out I've been

getting mail about

summer daycamps which he's REALLY enjoyed in the past, but

I am NOT

willing to spend hundreds of dollars on that if he can't

get his stuff

together enough to turn in his homework!

I admit, I'm a firm believer in the whole concept of it

being easier to

train a twig than a tree. If I don't like where a certain

behavior is

likely to lead, I tend to step on it when it first

appears, rather than

waiting until it's a habit.

Don't even get me STARTED on the folks who know all about

how to raise a

kid, because they babysat a couple of times, and that's NT

kids! If they

were in charge of MY kid, he'd fit in very well with the

Berkeley street

people, but nowhere else, and his wonderful brilliant

potential would be

totally wasted. What's the current PC belief about wasting

natural

resources?

Eleanor, San , CA

Aspie son Isaac, 10.5 years old

On 02/24/2011 14:07 , marilyn wrote:

> Sigh. I have the hardest time with things like this.

>

> DS acted up at school today and got hauled out of

class. Then he goofed

> around doing his homework (basically guessing at the

multiple choice

> instead of doing the work and lying to me about it).

Now he's having a

> conniption because of the consequences. (I took away

his "screens"

> (tv/ds/pc/wii).

>

> We talk about good behavior having rewards and poor

choices having

> consequences ad nauseum. I realize some of the

behavior is due to poor

> impulse control and his inability to think things

through from beginning

> to end. But we also always tell him "Autism is an

explanation, not an

> Excuse. You have to work harder than other people."

Because it's NOT an

> excuse--he has to learn to function in the world.

>

> It just hurts my heart more to discipline him,

because it feels a bit

> like kicking a puppy. sigh. I know it has to be done,

but I have the

> hardest time doing it--even when I know it's right. I

know I am not

> doing him any favors letting him skate on bad

behavior. But it's tough.

>

> Sorry--just had to vent.

>

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Fortunately our school district has an online webpage where we can check

not just Isaac's grades, but the individual assignments. I created a

shared file (on Google documents) that Isaac, my husband and I can look

at to see what assignments have not been turned in, or what assignments

need to be redone because he only did part of it.

Right now, Isaac's little hiney is in his room working on all those

assignments he hasn't turned in.

I admit, there are times when I do get tired of being the, um, Queen

female dog, but for the most part, that's ok. I know what's at stake,

since I lived almost the same kinda life as a kid, but didn't get yanked

back into reality. I didn't reach my own potential. I am DETERMINED that

if Isaac doesn't meat his potential, it will NOT be because I didn't do

everything in my power to get him on the right track!

Darn, I do get tired sometimes though!

By the way, the website our school district uses is something called

PowerSchool. The copyright info at the bottom says Pearson Education.

Eleanor, San , CA

Aspie son Isaac, 10.5 years old

Eleanor Oster, San , CA

2008 white Cabriolet w/silver trim, named Pearl

picked up 04/26/2008

On 02/24/2011 17:54 , Riley wrote:

> My son spent most of his Christmas holidays without computers or games,

> and working on homework that either wasn't done or wasn't handed in. He

> was hoping to be allowed to work over the holidays, but that was vetoed

> on the grounds that you can't work when you're grounded. He got a big

> shock when I told him the school did not have to promote him from year

> 10 to year 11 when he had failed two (almost 3) subjects. The thought

> of repeating year 10 was almost too much for him. I get annoyed about

> homework not done, but even more when it is done but not handed in.

> What is the point of that??!!

>

> I think you need to work on this as early as possible. The hardest part

> I found was getting the school to let me know when there was a problem.

> Getting an email a week before the term ends with " Ben has not handed in

> any homework " is not useful. It needs to come early enough for the

> problem to be dealt with. I think we are making progress, but it really

> has been a slow process. I wish you luck with getting through to your

> son a little sooner than we have.

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Eleanor--

Yes, where do they train these perfect babysitters for NT kids? Perhaps we should send out kids to them "for a week and they'd be straightened out," right? Isn't that what they say?. Send him to my house for a week and he won't do that anymore.......uh huh, ok? Just like my son's 2nd grade teacher who dug her heals into the ground claiming she was going to get Tom to toe the line......ok hon, you do that, you go right ahead, you prove me wrong!! More power to ya!! I just don't disipline him correctly, right? Is that all it is? I just need to be consistant, that's all!!

From: Eleanor Oster <pearl@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 7:12:30 PMSubject: Re: Discipline and Autism

One of the things we have emphasized with Isaac since he was VERY young was the whole concept of "actions consequences" which upset some folks (he was born in Berkeley CA where folks don't believe in anything that might "crush the child's spirit", oh give me a MOFO break!).We've been struggling with that this week, since there's a lot of his homework that apparently never got turned in! Let's just say the fit is hitting the shan, and he's been mostly confined to his room this week (no school because of break). I pointed out I've been getting mail about summer daycamps which he's REALLY enjoyed in the past, but I am NOT willing to spend hundreds of dollars on that if he can't get his stuff together enough to turn in his homework!I admit, I'm a firm believer in the whole concept of it being easier to train a twig than a tree. If I don't like where a certain behavior is likely to lead, I tend to

step on it when it first appears, rather than waiting until it's a habit.Don't even get me STARTED on the folks who know all about how to raise a kid, because they babysat a couple of times, and that's NT kids! If they were in charge of MY kid, he'd fit in very well with the Berkeley street people, but nowhere else, and his wonderful brilliant potential would be totally wasted. What's the current PC belief about wasting natural resources?Eleanor, San , CAAspie son Isaac, 10.5 years oldOn 02/24/2011 14:07 , marilyn wrote:> Sigh. I have the hardest time with things like this.>> DS acted up at school today and got hauled out of class. Then he goofed> around doing his homework (basically guessing at the multiple choice> instead of doing the work and lying to me about it). Now he's having a> conniption because of the consequences. (I took away his

"screens"> (tv/ds/pc/wii).>> We talk about good behavior having rewards and poor choices having> consequences ad nauseum. I realize some of the behavior is due to poor> impulse control and his inability to think things through from beginning> to end. But we also always tell him "Autism is an explanation, not an> Excuse. You have to work harder than other people." Because it's NOT an> excuse--he has to learn to function in the world.>> It just hurts my heart more to discipline him, because it feels a bit> like kicking a puppy. sigh. I know it has to be done, but I have the> hardest time doing it--even when I know it's right. I know I am not> doing him any favors letting him skate on bad behavior. But it's tough.>> Sorry--just had to vent.>

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Isaac has been off school this week because of some sort of spring

break. He's been spending most of the time in his room sitting at his

desk catching up on all those past due assignments. Earlier today I

pointed out that I've been getting email about summer camp, which is

something he really enjoys. The discount period ends March 1, but I told

him if he hadn't caught up by bedtime tomorrow (Saturday), he was gonna

be out of luck!

I think my husband is also Aspie, but figured out on his own how to make

it work for him. For him, homework was never a problem, did well in

school, got his BS at Harvard and a Masters in Computer Science from

Princeton. He's been a programmer for probably thirty years now, and

works for a little company called Google. I pointed out to Isaac that

his father is very fortunate to have a job he loves that happens to pay

him quite well. But I also pointed out that made that possible by

doing so well in school, so that he was accepted by Harvard and

Princeton. So Isaac has seen the benefits of doing well in school, and

he's also seen the other side, namely me. I might be Aspie too, but

never figured out how to get stuff done. Tasks tend to be overwhelming,

and I frequently leave stuff partially done. So Isaac has both kinds of

examples. And I am DETERMINED not to let Isaac make the same mistakes I

did. Of course, when I was a kid, there wasn't any awareness of things

like AS. Heck, if someone were dyslexic, it was a miracle if that got

diagnosed!

Eleanor, San , CA

Aspie son Isaac, 10.5 years old

On 02/24/2011 17:54 , Riley wrote:

> My son spent most of his Christmas holidays without computers or games,

> and working on homework that either wasn't done or wasn't handed in. He

> was hoping to be allowed to work over the holidays, but that was vetoed

> on the grounds that you can't work when you're grounded. He got a big

> shock when I told him the school did not have to promote him from year

> 10 to year 11 when he had failed two (almost 3) subjects. The thought

> of repeating year 10 was almost too much for him. I get annoyed about

> homework not done, but even more when it is done but not handed in.

> What is the point of that??!!

>

> I think you need to work on this as early as possible. The hardest part

> I found was getting the school to let me know when there was a problem.

> Getting an email a week before the term ends with " Ben has not handed in

> any homework " is not useful. It needs to come early enough for the

> problem to be dealt with. I think we are making progress, but it really

> has been a slow process. I wish you luck with getting through to your

> son a little sooner than we have.

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