Re: OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin seemed less stimmy

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if it was the antibiotics i would try to experiment with some of the following

natural antibiotics.

Y.S. BEE farms Propolis paste (not powder)

tea from boiling garlic and cloves-- 4 or 5 cups a day

very small doses of goldenseal tincture

rainforest botanical brand cat's claw tincture

i e-mailed moria about an experience that was reported to me by a practitioner i

use.while removing mercury from a woman's brain, she subsequently came down with

a very very nasty case of staph infection. it seems there is a relationship

between hg and bacteria, since hg is antibacterial.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Trina Montgomery [mailto:boymom_4@...]

>

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

> Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

> meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has

> tourettes). But,

> while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed

> happier. What

> is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

> Trina

>

> _________________________________________________________________

Hi,

I have no personal experience with this, na has never had any

antibiotics. However I did see a news report about 6 months ago about a

woman who's autistic kid (I think he was around 8 or 9) had been on and off

all kinds since he was an infant. Then one kind he was given for something

made his autistic behavior almost non-existent. When his Rx ran out the

behaviors came back, I do not remember what kind though.

Tana

[Guest guest]

I'm not certain, but I think the antibiotic that is associated with having a

positive effect on autistic symptoms is Vancomycin.

Rita

RE: [ ] OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin seemed less

stimmy

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Trina Montgomery [mailto:boymom_4@...]

> >

> >

> > Hey everyone,

> >

> > Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

> > Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

> > meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has

> > tourettes). But,

> > while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed

> > happier. What

> > is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

> >

> > Trina

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

>

> Hi,

> I have no personal experience with this, na has never had any

> antibiotics. However I did see a news report about 6 months ago about a

> woman who's autistic kid (I think he was around 8 or 9) had been on and

off

> all kinds since he was an infant. Then one kind he was given for something

> made his autistic behavior almost non-existent. When his Rx ran out the

> behaviors came back, I do not remember what kind though.

>

> Tana

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

One connection could be that he has a " stealth virus " from the

vaccines. There is a stealth virus group too. The amoxicillan

could be killing some of the virus.

Shirley

--- In @y..., " Rita Shreffler " <rfcshreffler@h...>

wrote:

> I'm not certain, but I think the antibiotic that is associated with

having a

> positive effect on autistic symptoms is Vancomycin.

>

> Rita

>

> RE: [ ] OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin

seemed less

> stimmy

>

>

> >

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Trina Montgomery [mailto:boymom_4@h...]

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey everyone,

> > >

> > > Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was

put on

> > > Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest

kids you'll

> > > meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has

> > > tourettes). But,

> > > while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed

> > > happier. What

> > > is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

> > >

> > > Trina

> > >

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have no personal experience with this, na has never had any

> > antibiotics. However I did see a news report about 6 months ago

about a

> > woman who's autistic kid (I think he was around 8 or 9) had been

on and

> off

> > all kinds since he was an infant. Then one kind he was given for

something

> > made his autistic behavior almost non-existent. When his Rx ran

out the

> > behaviors came back, I do not remember what kind though.

> >

> > Tana

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

At 04:29 PM 12/18/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>Hey everyone,

>

>Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

>Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

>meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has tourettes). But,

>while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed happier. What

>is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

>Trina

>

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[Guest guest]

It sounds as if your son has PANDAS (pediatric autoimmune neuropsych

disorder associated with streptococcus) or something similar. The

symptoms are usually regarded as Tourette syndrome--tics especially. There

is a specific antibody to Streptococcus, called D8/17, which appears to be

part of the story. Eradication of Streptococcus can lead to big

improvement. This condition is being studied at NIMH (Dr. Swedo) and

other centers in the US, Germany, Australia, and I'm sure other places.

Let me know if you need further help to get this sorted out.

S G Kahler

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Subject: OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin seemed less

stimmy

Hey everyone,

Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has tourettes).

But,

while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed happier.

What

is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

Trina

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As in SM40 or is it SMV40? It is the simian virus from the monkey tissue used to

culture the polio vaccine it injures the immune system and is being found in

epithelium cancer of the lung which prior to the at vaccine it was not in the

cancer tissue.

C. W.

RE: [ ] OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin

seemed less

> stimmy

>

>

> >

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Trina Montgomery [mailto:boymom_4@h...]

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey everyone,

> > >

> > > Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was

put on

> > > Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest

kids you'll

> > > meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has

> > > tourettes). But,

> > > while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed

> > > happier. What

> > > is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

> > >

> > > Trina

> > >

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have no personal experience with this, na has never had any

> > antibiotics. However I did see a news report about 6 months ago

about a

> > woman who's autistic kid (I think he was around 8 or 9) had been

on and

> off

> > all kinds since he was an infant. Then one kind he was given for

something

> > made his autistic behavior almost non-existent. When his Rx ran

out the

> > behaviors came back, I do not remember what kind though.

> >

> > Tana

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Some children are suspected of having mycoplasma infections, and/or Lyme

Disease which could worsen their symptoms. Treating with Amoxicillin, in

these instances, might help but to successfully treat these conditions can

be a long and difficult process. Probably, the first thing to do is try to

test for these conditions. Your child would need to be off antibiotics for

at least 1 month for the tests to be meaningful. Testing for Lyme is

somewhat controversial as most standard tests are not deemed to be very

accurate. I don't know about the quality of tests for mycoplasma -- this

is probably another contentious area.

FWIW

Jeff

[Guest guest]

>Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

>Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

>meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has tourettes). But,

>while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed happier. What

>is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

>Trina

Hi Trina,

I have heard this before--- either fever or antibiotics resulting

in MARKED improvements. (I don't know if it is the fever or the

antibiotics or both--- I think I've read stuff from people who

suspected each one as the cause.)

(No personal experience to offer--- I have no kids.)

Moria

[Guest guest]

Regarding the strep, if at the signs of the first soreness of throat, if you

will take acidophilus two capsules every thirty minutes for about two to four

hours, if it's strep the soreness will leave. If you could break the first

capsule and swallow it will speed things up a bit.

Why?, strep is a natural organism of the colon, is it is not getting what it

wants it goes looking for food. The lactobacillus acidophilus is also natural to

the colon and necessary for digestion and keeping the strep at home where it

belongs. The use of antibiotics kills out the acidophilus and has to be

re-established. This is done naturally over time \but can be speed up by

re-seeding it.

Also, so many of our foods are contaminated with antibiotics from the production

of the food.

C. W.

Re: [ ] OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin seemed less

stimmy

>Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

>Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

>meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has tourettes). But,

>while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed happier. What

>is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

>Trina

Hi Trina,

I have heard this before--- either fever or antibiotics resulting

in MARKED improvements. (I don't know if it is the fever or the

antibiotics or both--- I think I've read stuff from people who

suspected each one as the cause.)

(No personal experience to offer--- I have no kids.)

Moria

[Guest guest]

Trina,

What you witnessed is very " On Topic " . What is known as " PANDAS " (Pediatric

Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorder Associated with Strep), is one form of

Neuroimmune Dysfuction (). The NIHM has also used the term " PITANDS "

when the trigger is a non-strep infection.

My son began with one immune disorder " autism spectrum " and by the time he

was seven he had developed a second disorder " ocd " . I honestly believe that

if he had received the proper medical treatment early on, he never would

have developed the second.

I guess this is where the genetic part comes into play. Genetics play a

role in what type of pathogens (bacteria, virus, etc.) you are susceptable

to, how your immune system responds, and how/where that response manifests

itself.

Cheryl

>From: " Trina Montgomery " <boymom_4@...>

>Reply-

>>Subject: OFF TOPIC-my son on Amoxicillin seemed less stimmy

>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:29:45 -0600

>

>Hey everyone,

>

>Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put on

>Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids you'll

>meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has tourettes).

>But,

>while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed happier.

>What

>is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

>Trina

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I have heard from many parents that when their kids were sick and

running a fever, they behaved more " normal " .

Perhaps your sons decrease in stimming was related to the illness

itself or fever.

Just something else to think about, maybe it was not the

antibiotic.

]

> Hey everyone,

>

> Recently, my 8yr old son with autism had strep throat and was put

on

> Amoxicillin for 10 days. Usually he is one of the stimmiest kids

you'll

> meet (many vocal, hand, face, eye stims- looks like he has

tourettes). But,

> while on the Amox. he was much calmer, less stimmy and seemed

happier. What

> is the connection? Has anyone else noticed this type reaction?

>

> Trina

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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In a message dated 12/20/01 7:24:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

<< I have heard from many parents that when their kids were sick and

running a fever, they behaved more " normal " .

Perhaps your sons decrease in stimming was related to the illness

itself or fever.

Just something else to think about, maybe it was not the

antibiotic.

]

This has personally happened to my son. When he has a fever he acts and

converses completely normal. I have heard this from other parents. Especially

kids with AS.