Re: Hoochie Mama Moves WAS: This is just pathetic

September 11, 2006

It is funny to hear ourselves as we get older talking as our parents

and grandparents did about morals, values, and ethics and their

continual disintegration. Each generation seems to be concerned with

the degeneration of the next one.

Yet what's also funny is that " experts " in psychology seem to think

that whatever anyone says or does is fine, and " studies " seem to back

them up. I am curious to know if these " experts " know things that

parents and non-parents alike do not.

I see children as becoming more and more depressed, full of despair,

mean, upset, angry, anxious, etc., with each passing generation. Is

this only MY observation? Or do the experts feel that this sort of

emotional make-up is befitting of children?

Tom

Administrator

This is what scares me about society these days ... children are

forced to grow up far too fast for the most part and those of us who

want our children to experience a real childhood are seen by the

experts as being too over-protective.

Raven

September 11, 2006

From the animal behavior literature that someone once told me about- actually I remember, it was Prof. Leda Cosmides. She said there were studies of bird courtship behavior where when the female advanced too quickly along the sequence of steps the males would sometimes attack the female and drive her away. This must have been a fairly monogamous species. The interpretation was that the female would likely already have been impregnated and the male, if he continued to bond, would be bonding into a cuckolded relationship investing his future resources on another male's offspring. Heph ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: wrote: "I am speaking in general terms here and there will be exceptions on both sides. My reference to girls is based on observations from members on here, from my mother who has taught second grade for 20+ years and other articles and such) ... <snip> ..."I would like to share a story about my 11-year-old son. He met a little 8-year-old girl who is very nice and polite and soft-spoken and gentle. I have met her briefly on two occasions and she is, by immediate outward appearances, a little girl who is truly 8 years old. She wears clothing that is appropriate for an 8-year-old child and speaks as an 8-year-old child would be expected to speak.However, last week she

started to dance in front of my 11-year-old and my 11-year-old -- when he related the story -- was not only shocked, but amiss as to what he should say or do to this little girl now. He told me that her dance moves were NOT anything he would want to see any girl do and that he decided from that point onwards that he will keep her at arm's length solely because of the dance moves.Where did she leave these dance moves? From watching videos? From not having proper parental intervention? From instruction by a pedophile? From older siblings? There are so many possible ways she could have learned these moves (and she didn't learn them just from seeing them once from what was described by my child).This is what scares me about society these days ... children are forced to grow up far too fast for the most part and those of us who want our children to experience a real childhood are seen by the experts as being

too over-protective.RavenHephaestus

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September 11, 2006

It is interesting to note that sometimes it is the kids themselves that

take on the new initiatives. When I was in high school there were kids

that started social clubs around chess and science fiction. The idea

was to " keep themselves off the streets " or to keep them from engaging

in other dangerous behaviors.

These clubs were started by kids who were anti-drug and " let's save it

for marriage " to begin with, or else they were religious, and the " free

thinkers " among the high school populace soon shot down these clubs as

being the result of the religious right manifesting itself. They soon

became clubs for anti-social people and " dweebs. "

The clubs DID last, however, although the membership eventually changed

and the original intentions behind the clubs were lost. Soon it became

social to be in these clubs, but the kids in them were doing all the

things that the clubs were originally created to avoid.

Tom

Administrator

However, there does seem to be a backlash against this. The number of

students avoiding those behaviors is rising, though it seems to be a

temporary respite falling off as soon as they go to the great cultural

cesspits called college. It seems like we may be looking at another

divide not just politically or along financial lines, but the

barbarians vs. the civilized.

September 11, 2006

It is interesting to note that sometimes it is the kids themselves that

take on the new initiatives. When I was in high school there were kids

that started social clubs around chess and science fiction. The idea

was to " keep themselves off the streets " or to keep them from engaging

in other dangerous behaviors.

These clubs were started by kids who were anti-drug and " let's save it

for marriage " to begin with, or else they were religious, and the " free

thinkers " among the high school populace soon shot down these clubs as

being the result of the religious right manifesting itself. They soon

became clubs for anti-social people and " dweebs. "

The clubs DID last, however, although the membership eventually changed

and the original intentions behind the clubs were lost. Soon it became

social to be in these clubs, but the kids in them were doing all the

things that the clubs were originally created to avoid.

Tom

Administrator

However, there does seem to be a backlash against this. The number of

students avoiding those behaviors is rising, though it seems to be a

temporary respite falling off as soon as they go to the great cultural

cesspits called college. It seems like we may be looking at another

divide not just politically or along financial lines, but the

barbarians vs. the civilized.

September 12, 2006

I think that perhaps there have always been some children that have

been/are depressed etc.

What I do know that has changed at least in this country is

previously it was thought that children could not be depressed, this

is a least recognised now in this country - doesn't always mean they

get the help they need though :-( and there are always plenty of old

school people around who believe that children can't be

depressed/stressed etc and that children don't need the time of day

or to be listened to etc - sad, but true :-(

>

> It is funny to hear ourselves as we get older talking as our

parents

> and grandparents did about morals, values, and ethics and their

> continual disintegration. Each generation seems to be concerned

with

> the degeneration of the next one.

>

> Yet what's also funny is that " experts " in psychology seem to think

> that whatever anyone says or does is fine, and " studies " seem to

back

> them up. I am curious to know if these " experts " know things that

> parents and non-parents alike do not.

>

> I see children as becoming more and more depressed, full of

despair,

> mean, upset, angry, anxious, etc., with each passing generation. Is

> this only MY observation? Or do the experts feel that this sort of

> emotional make-up is befitting of children?

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

September 12, 2006

I think that perhaps there have always been some children that have

been/are depressed etc.

What I do know that has changed at least in this country is

previously it was thought that children could not be depressed, this

is a least recognised now in this country - doesn't always mean they

get the help they need though :-( and there are always plenty of old

school people around who believe that children can't be

depressed/stressed etc and that children don't need the time of day

or to be listened to etc - sad, but true :-(

>

> It is funny to hear ourselves as we get older talking as our

parents

> and grandparents did about morals, values, and ethics and their

> continual disintegration. Each generation seems to be concerned

with

> the degeneration of the next one.

>

> Yet what's also funny is that " experts " in psychology seem to think

> that whatever anyone says or does is fine, and " studies " seem to

back

> them up. I am curious to know if these " experts " know things that

> parents and non-parents alike do not.

>

> I see children as becoming more and more depressed, full of

despair,

> mean, upset, angry, anxious, etc., with each passing generation. Is

> this only MY observation? Or do the experts feel that this sort of

> emotional make-up is befitting of children?

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

September 12, 2006

I feel sorry for the females that were just quick learners with a

smattering of intuition and forward thinking as to the sequence of

moves.

>

> From the animal behavior literature that someone once told me

about- actually I remember, it was Prof. Leda Cosmides. She said

there were studies of bird courtship behavior where when the female

advanced too quickly along the sequence of steps the males would

sometimes attack the female and drive her away. This must have been a

fairly monogamous species. The interpretation was that the female

would likely already have been impregnated and the male, if he

continued to bond, would be bonding into a cuckolded relationship

investing his future resources on another male's offspring.

>

> Heph

September 12, 2006