Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 This shouldn't be too surprising. English schools have been teaching pole dancing to girls in gym class for several years now. Objections have been overruled by saying that its just good exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 A couple months back, there was quite the heated discussion about sexy bras being amde and sold to the " female child " demographics ... children as young as six years of age were asking their parents to purchase bras for them because they were being manufactured and were available for purchase in their size. Manufacturers, in fact, touted the fact that these sexy bras were for little girls. There was quite the brouhaha in Society over this subject. Now I am going to post something equally contraversial in this forum. Justifications were made that bras for 6-year-old girls were healthy, helped stop embarrassing moments from happening, et al. In keeping with this thinking, Tesco is claiming that pole-dancing kits for children -- yes, the ones found in their games and toys section - - are also healthy because they promote exercise. I suppose in their world, skipping ropes just don't cut it anymore. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=412195 & in_page_id=17 Tesco condemned for selling pole dancing toy by COLIN FERNANDEZ Last updated at 23:13pm on 24th October 2006 Reader comments (51) Mother of two Gallimore was searching for Christmas gifts for her two daughters, 10, and , 11, when she came across the 'toy' Tesco has been forced to remove a pole-dancing kit from the toys and games section of its website after it was accused of " destroying children's innocence " . The Tesco Direct site advertises the kit with the words, " Unleash the sex kitten inside...simply extend the Peekaboo pole inside the tube, slip on the sexy tunes and away you go! " Soon you'll be flaunting it to the world and earning a fortune in Peekaboo Dance Dollars " . The £49.97 kit comprises a chrome pole extendible to 8ft 6ins, a 'sexy dance garter' and a DVD demonstrating suggestive dance moves. The kit, condemned as 'extremely dangerous' by family campaigners yesterday, was discovered by mother of two Gallimore who was searching for Christmas gifts for her two daughters, 10, and , 11. Mrs Gallimore, 33, of Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, said yesterday: " I'm no prude, but any children can go on there and see it. It's just not on. " Dr , of family campaigning group Family Focus said yesterday that the kit would " destroy children's lives " . He said: " Tesco is Britain's number one chain, this is extremely dangerous. It is an open invitation to turn the youngest children on to sexual behaviour. " This will be sold to four, five and six-year olds. This is a most dangerous toy that will contribute towards destroying children's innocence. " He added: " Children are being encouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adult world as a phallic symbol. " It ought to be stopped, it really requires the intervention of members of Parliament. This should only be available to the most depraved people who want to corrupt their children. " Tesco today agreed to remove the product from the Toy section of the site, but said it will remain on sale as a Fitness Accessory, despite the fact that the product description invites users to " unleash the sex kitten inside " . Also on sale on the Tesco website is a strip poker game, " Peekaboo Poker " which is illustrated by a picture of a reclining woman in underwear. The card game is is described as a game that " risks the risque and brings a whole lot of naughtiness to the table. " Played with a unique pack of Peekaboo Boy and Girl playing cards, the aim of the game is to win as many Peekaboo chips as possible and turn them into outrageously naughty fun. " The pole dance kit is the latest item to fuel allegations that major retailers increasingly sell products which " sexualise " young children such as T-shirts with suggestive messages. In recent years Asda was forced to remove from sale pink and black lace lingerie, including a push-up bra to girls as young as nine. Next had to remove t-shirts on sale for girls as young as six with the slogan " so many boys, so little time. " And BHS and others came under fire for selling padded bras embellished with a " Little Miss Naughty " logo and t-shirts with a Playboy-style bunny that said " I love boys...They are stupid. " Tesco last night denied the pole dancing kit was sexually oriented and said it was clearly marked for " adult use " . A spokesman added: " Pole dancing is an increasing exercise craze. This item is for people who want to improve their fitness and have fun at the same time. " *********************************** Here's my question. How does a pole dancing kit that alleges to be clearly marked " for adult use " find its way into the children's toys and games section of a store? Here's my second question: How does a store that stocks a pole dancing kit -- one that contains a chrome pole extendible to 8ft 6ins, a 'sexy dance garter' and a DVD demonstrating suggestive dance moves -- in their children's toys and games section justify selling this 'exercise kit' to children while claiming that they are not corrupting family values and children? Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 In a message dated 11/3/2006 2:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, handwritingrepair@... writes: Note also the irony — a (justified!) complaint against " ... [c]hildren ... beingencouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adultworld as a phallic symbol" comes from someone in a country whose ancient and cherishedtraditions include encouraging children to dance around Maypoles.Kate Gladstone The pole being referred to isn't a fertility symbol or anything else. It is simply a tool used by strippers and whores as part of their "acts." England has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 years at least and it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Re; > Here's my second question: How does a store that stocks a pole > dancing kit -- one that contains a chrome pole extendible to 8ft > 6ins, a 'sexy dance garter' and a DVD demonstrating suggestive dance > moves -- in their children's toys and games section justify selling > this 'exercise kit' to children while claiming that they are not > corrupting family values and children? Note also the irony — a (justified!) complaint against " ... [c]hildren ... being encouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adult world as a phallic symbol " comes from someone in a country whose ancient and cherished traditions include encouraging children to dance around Maypoles. Kate Gladstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 " Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. " Oy don't write me off thanks :-) > > > In a message dated 11/3/2006 2:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > handwritingrepair@... writes: > > Note also the irony †" > a (justified!) complaint against " ... [c]hildren ... being > encouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adult > world as a phallic symbol " > comes from someone in a country whose ancient and cherished > traditions include encouraging children to dance around Maypoles. > > > Kate Gladstone > > > > The pole being referred to isn't a fertility symbol or anything else. It is > simply a tool used by strippers and whores as part of their " acts. " England > has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 years at least and > it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I > think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 " England has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 years at least and it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. " That SOUNDS like a terribly provocative statement. However, there is proof, as seen on last night's BBC World news and reported by the The Institute for Public Policy Research and written up in the Mirror: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=the-bad-boys-and-girls-of- europe & method=full & objectid=18037434 & siteid=94762-name_page.html 3 November 2006 THE BAD BOYS AND GIRLS OF EUROPE Brit teens worst for drinking and hanging around on streets By Bob Deputy Political Editor BRITISH teenagers are the most badly behaved in Europe. They spend more time hanging around on street corners, are more rowdy, rebellious, drink more and have sex earlier than any other country. A report to be published next week by Left-wing think tank, The Institute for Public Policy Research, warns: " British youth is on the verge of mental breakdown. " It adds: " They are at risk from anti-social behaviour, self-harm, drug and alcohol abuse. " Youngsters also spend less time talking and sharing meals with their parents than in France, Italy, Spain and Germany. The IPPR study found southern European nations - with a strong Catholic tradition and a focus on the family - do not share the same level of delinquency as the UK. And Scandinavian countries that have a large welfare state and a strong sense of civic duty also have better behaved teens. The report blames rising rates of divorce and the number of single parents. This leaves young people with nothing to do but " hang out with their mates " on the streets. Nick Pearce, director of the IPPR, said: " Because they don't have that structured interaction with adults, it damages their life chances. They are not learning how to behave - how to get on in life - as they need to. " " The report comes after previous studies showed British teenagers top the league for drinking, fighting and promiscuity. One found that today's teens drink double what their 11 to 15-year- old counterparts did in 1990. And for many, drinking too much is linked to bad behaviour, fighting, or underage, and often unprotected, sex. According to the charity Alcohol Concern, illegal drinking - mainly beer, cider and alcopops - is the cause of the problem behaviour. But Elaine Peace of children's charity NCH dismissed the report. She said: " Having a rebellious streak is nothing new. Drinking to excess is seen as a rite of passage to adulthood. " Narey, chief executive of Barnardo's, added: " We do not dismiss issues of bad behaviour but every generation is concerned with it. " bob.roberts-@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Right okay there are definitely some bad elements in England - but I would hasten to say that not every teenager is indulging in these behaviours. The ASBO (Anti Social Behaviour Order) has become a joke in this country. Many teenagers see it as a badge of honour and there are many cases of children having these Asbos and it making no difference whatsoever. It is not just children/teenagers that get Asbos either - I have watched a programme on the wackiest asbos and of those there was a guy that was obsessed with how people parked their cars (he got an asbo), a woman feeding birds (the neighbours got fed up of it) and a preacher who preached on London's streets with a mike and an amp' (people claimed he was saying horrible things). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4969450.stm > > " England has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 > years at least and it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster > the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next > 15 years or less. " > > That SOUNDS like a terribly provocative statement. > > However, there is proof, as seen on last night's BBC World news and > reported by the The Institute for Public Policy Research and written > up in the Mirror: > > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=the-bad-boys-and-girls-of- > europe & method=full & objectid=18037434 & siteid=94762-name_page.html > > 3 November 2006 > > THE BAD BOYS AND GIRLS OF EUROPE > > Brit teens worst for drinking and hanging around on streets > > By Bob Deputy Political Editor > > BRITISH teenagers are the most badly behaved in Europe. > > They spend more time hanging around on street corners, are more > rowdy, rebellious, drink more and have sex earlier than any other > country. > > A report to be published next week by Left-wing think tank, The > Institute for Public Policy Research, warns: " British youth is on > the verge of mental breakdown. " > > It adds: " They are at risk from anti-social behaviour, self-harm, > drug and alcohol abuse. " > > Youngsters also spend less time talking and sharing meals with their > parents than in France, Italy, Spain and Germany. > > The IPPR study found southern European nations - with a strong > Catholic tradition and a focus on the family - do not share the same > level of delinquency as the UK. > > And Scandinavian countries that have a large welfare state and a > strong sense of civic duty also have better behaved teens. > > The report blames rising rates of divorce and the number of single > parents. This leaves young people with nothing to do but " hang out > with their mates " on the streets. > > Nick Pearce, director of the IPPR, said: " Because they don't have > that structured interaction with adults, it damages their life > chances. They are not learning how to behave - how to get on in > life - as they need to. " " > > The report comes after previous studies showed British teenagers top > the league for drinking, fighting and promiscuity. > > One found that today's teens drink double what their 11 to 15-year- > old counterparts did in 1990. > > And for many, drinking too much is linked to bad behaviour, > fighting, or underage, and often unprotected, sex. > > According to the charity Alcohol Concern, illegal drinking - mainly > beer, cider and alcopops - is the cause of the problem behaviour. > > But Elaine Peace of children's charity NCH dismissed the report. > > She said: " Having a rebellious streak is nothing new. Drinking to > excess is seen as a rite of passage to adulthood. " > > Narey, chief executive of Barnardo's, added: " We do not > dismiss issues of bad behaviour but every generation is concerned > with it. " > > bob.roberts-@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hopefully with any luck the bad elements will wipe one another out, as they appear to have respect for no-one. > > > In a message dated 11/3/2006 10:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > no_reply writes: > > That SOUNDS like a terribly provocative statement. > > However, there is proof, as seen on last night's BBC World news and > reported by the The Institute for Public Policy Research and written > up in the Mirror: > > > > These are the kinds of stories I have been reading for some time. Add to > that the fact the British police are almost powerless to do anything to these > kids because if they are even looked at wrong the teens can say they were being > threatened or harassed and it will be the police who are in trouble. This > generation will be a misery for that country. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Exotic dancing products or classes aimed at losing weight are somewhat common. I worked at a call center for a while and took orders for probably over a thousand different products. I didn't have to take many orders for them but I think there were 3 of 4 different exotic dancing/lose weight products. Some of these companies sold other weight programs such as pilates that were more traditional type. At least they were clearly advertised as weight loss products and the exotic dance element suggested rather than bluntly flaunted. Even where I live in a small conservative town whose politicians could probably talk your ear off about traditional family values, the local gym has belly dancing classes. I was a little shocked to see the community newspaper giving a front page article and picture of it. I'm guessing some women who probably consider themselves 'conservative' and family values oriented like to find new ways to amuse their husbands while doing some cardio workouts. The idea of doing it I think came because the town's Rennaisance Festival hosted a team of belly dancers. I thought that was just weird since said dancing form isn't a European tradition (more middle eastern or Egyptian) and therefore doesn't even come close to culturally fitting into a Rennaisance festival at all. Not to mention why does this small town that thinks it is so family values and that host exotic dancers when the Rennaisance fair back east where I grew up in a not so family values big cities and suburbs felt no need to?That being said, I think it is absurd that such products are marketed to children. And the marketing of the product was clearly not aimed at wives intending to amuse their husbands (though I doubt the properness of even that), but telling women to go out and make a career out of exotic dancing... not my idea of a product I appreciate seeing on the shelvesThough traditional maypole dances are not anywhere close to what is suggested by this product and the evidence that maypoles are phallic symbols is scant, the spring time festivals that maypoles are a part of do stem from ancient prechristian ceremonies hoping to ensure the fertility of the summer crops. So the connection of maypoles to fertility worship is fairly distinctVISIGOTH@... wrote: In a message dated 11/3/2006 2:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, handwritingrepairgmail writes: Note also the irony — a (justified!) complaint against " ... [c]hildren ... beingencouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adultworld as a phallic symbol" comes from someone in a country whose ancient and cherishedtraditions include encouraging children to dance around Maypoles.Kate Gladstone The pole being referred to isn't a fertility symbol or anything else. It is simply a tool used by strippers and whores as part of their "acts." England has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 years at least and it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. Sponsored Link For just $24.99/mo., Vonage offers unlimited local and long- distance calling. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 RE: History of Belly-Dancing Perhaps this is something of a digression- a general musing of sorts- but I had this sense that belly-dancing is coming from a very different cultural background than I for one am typically immersed in. So just out of general curiosity I tried a quick search for academic-like articles on the history of belly-dancing. Wound up spending an hour but had some limited success. (Links below.) There are some who comment on the similarities to some African dances, and that it may have come up through Egypt from there, into the middle east generally. Others comment on the origins as being associated with traditions of women dancing for women, and speculate on it possibly being related to child-birthing contractions? The modern cultural take on it seems related to around 1800 and then another main event in the USA around 1890s. (Napoleon, and then something like a world fair in USA.) -When europeans rather distorted it for their own purposes (and cultural biases) involving images (imagineering?) of the orient (orientalism). A couple of other comments - Didn't Aguilera do a "I dream of Jeannie" outfit in a video awhile back? (Belly-dancer outfit- though I don't recall the original tv Jeannie or Aguilera doing actually belly-dancing ever.) (Hmmm... bad habit of mine- I'm asking a rhetorical question and I hate when others do that- and here I am doing it on a list where others are probably like me in this respect- sorry. definitely did do a I dream of Jeannie type video.) Recently I saw the old Charleton Heston starring movie "Moses" again. When he leaves and goes up into Sinai by himself - it gets to a scene where the seven daughters dance for him, for him to choose a wife. It isn't actual belly-dancing, though there are some of those moves involved I seem to recall- basically they're a kind of veil-dancing. I only mention this because it seems what gets puts into movies is either what the directors think will sell, or what the dancing community is focussing on at the time (the big veil dance by famous dancer Sid Cherise and Gene in "Singing in the Rain" for example- a big number that goes on for quite a few minutes I seem to recall.) Oh yes, about the Ren-Faire...absolutely right. Didn't get noticed in europe much until late Napoleonic era, and even then mostly as an idea. But two points- Many years ago I was at a meeting of the Society for Creative Anachronisms (the organization out from which Ren-Faires eventually developed)... and a black student who just dropped by was good-naturedly debating the members about how awful (and racist?) the middle ages were. The response was that the SCA wasn't about how it actually was, but was a kind of an idealization of what it might have been like in an ideal world. (They worded it better than that!) Second- I kind of imagine that when the Crusaders were down in the Holy Land and in Egypt (some) they might have encountered something like belly-dancing- just possibly maybe. Still- looking up the history somewhat hasn't really changed my gut reaction about girls with pole-dancing gifts for the holidays- that they're extremely inappropriate! ------------- History of belly dance books reviewed: http://www.shira.net/bookrvws/serpent.htm http://www.shira.net/bookrvws/littleegypt.htm http://www.shira.net/bookrvws/trade.htm (I wonder though whether there is the unaddressed contrast with Geisha's?) http://www.shira.net/sitemap.htm History and other facts about Belly Dance http://www.zehara.co.uk/bellydancefacts.htm Museum http://www.belly-dance.org/ Another site with some history about...http://www.joyofbellydancing.com/bdhistory2.html Gilded Serpent http://www.gildedserpent.com/ loads of articles http://www.gildedserpent.com/contents.htm ------------- Heph Hanton <crouchingowl@...> wrote: Exotic dancing products or classes aimed at losing weight are somewhat common. I worked at a call center for a while and took orders for probably over a thousand different products. I didn't have to take many orders for them but I think there were 3 of 4 different exotic dancing/lose weight products. Some of these companies sold other weight programs such as pilates that were more traditional type. At least they were clearly advertised as weight loss products and the exotic dance element suggested rather than bluntly flaunted. Even where I live in a small conservative town whose politicians could probably talk your ear off about traditional family values, the local gym has belly dancing classes. I was a little shocked to see the community newspaper giving a front page article and picture of it. I'm guessing some women who probably consider themselves 'conservative' and family values oriented like to find new ways to amuse their husbands while doing some cardio workouts. The idea of doing it I think came because the town's Rennaisance Festival hosted a team of belly dancers. I thought that was just weird since said dancing form isn't a European tradition (more middle eastern or Egyptian) and therefore doesn't even come close to culturally fitting into a Rennaisance festival at all. Not to mention why does this small town that thinks it is so family values and that host exotic dancers when the Rennaisance fair back east where I grew up in a not so family values big cities and suburbs felt no need to?That being said, I think it is absurd that such products are marketed to children. And the marketing of the product was clearly not aimed at wives intending to amuse their husbands (though I doubt the properness of even that), but telling women to go out and make a career out of exotic dancing... not my idea of a product I appreciate seeing on the shelvesThough traditional maypole dances are not anywhere close to what is suggested by this product and the evidence that maypoles are phallic symbols is scant, the spring time festivals that maypoles are a part of do stem from ancient prechristian ceremonies hoping to ensure the fertility of the summer crops. So the connection of maypoles to fertility worship is fairly distinctVISIGOTHAOL (DOT) COM wrote: In a message dated 11/3/2006 2:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, handwritingrepairgmail writes: Note also the irony — a (justified!) complaint against " ... [c]hildren ... beingencouraged to dance round a pole which is interpreted in the adultworld as a phallic symbol" comes from someone in a country whose ancient and cherishedtraditions include encouraging children to dance around Maypoles.Kate Gladstone The pole being referred to isn't a fertility symbol or anything else. It is simply a tool used by strippers and whores as part of their "acts." England has been in a desperate rush to the bottom for the last 20 years at least and it has only been accelerating. Unless they muster the nerve to change that, I think we can write them off in the next 15 years or less. Sponsored LinkFor just $24.99/mo., Vonage offers unlimited local and long- distance calling. Sign up now. 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 You said: " Even where I live in a small conservative town whose politicians could probably talk your ear off about traditional family values, the local gym has belly dancing classes. I was a little shocked to see the community newspaper giving a front page article and picture of it. " My reply: If you've ever read " To Kill A Mockingbird " you'll see a similar commentary within the book made by the novel's main character Jean Louise " Scout " Finch. The story takes place in the deep south when segregation and prejudice are out in the open. A black man is (falsely) accused of raping a white woman and Scout's father (Atticus Finch) is appointed to defend the accused in court. Openly, the town expresses different views on this ranging from support of Atticus to mob action against him. But Scout notes that despite defending the accused, Atticus was elected by the majority of the townspeople to the state legislature that year. Miss Maudie, another character in the novel comments that there are some people that get the hard jobs that other people do not want to do or simply can't do, and Atticus is one of them. One final comment that Miss Maudie makes is that Atticus Finch is the same in his house as he is on the public streets, which means that there is no duality or hypocrisy in him. I believe the reverse is true with some people in real life. People in public profess to having certain moral values, but behind closed doors, they have different ones. That is why it is always a shock to us when we see out " quiet " neighbors get arrested on drug charges or some such thing. " I'm guessing some women who probably consider themselves 'conservative' and family values oriented like to find new ways to amuse their husbands while doing some cardio workouts. " I don't have any problem with this. As long as someone isn't doing anything illegal or something that goes against the mandates of their own religion, what they do with their partner behind closed doors is their business, but I DO have a problem if they publically profess to being moral and engage in immorality in private. Hipocrisy is not the only reason I have that problem. The other is the possible ramifications that arise when the people who look up to you as a role model discover that you are as bad or worse than they are. They begin to loose faith and hope not just in you, but in people in general. Immorality has a lot of bad consequences, and I don;t think people realize this. " The idea of doing it I think came because the town's Rennaisance Festival hosted a team of belly dancers. I thought that was just weird since said dancing form isn't a European tradition (more middle eastern or Egyptian) and therefore doesn't even come close to culturally fitting into a Rennaisance festival at all. " Unless I am mistaken, Gypsies in Europe may belly dance, but I could be wrong about this. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 On 3 Nov 2006 VISIGOTH@... wrote: > This shouldn't be too surprising. English schools have been teaching pole > dancing to girls in gym class for several years now. Objections have been > overruled by saying that its just good exercise. Then that may explain how it ended up in the children's section. Obviously a pole dancing kit with a garter set would be an adult toy, but if not investigated carefully, the shopkeepers or shop managers wouldn't necessarily see that. If the distributor mostly sells toys (er, children's toys) then the shopkeeper would simply put the item next to the Cadillac Escalade pedal car (I saw that at Ghettomart yesterday when I went to buy propane), or the Erector Set. One would presume that people at least vaguely heard of pole dancing. While it wouldn't have set off a " red flag " for me, one may look at the depictions on the packaging. But if pole dancing is used as a school exercise, one would presume it isn't a part of striptease any more than any other activity which has no direct sexual connection. The fact that the company also makes strip poker sets is ..er suggestive that they also are in the adult toy business. If the age cut-offs are below 13 and above 18, then these end up at completely different stores. But this is not the case. Monopoly, Trivial Pursuit, Dungeons & Dragons, etc. are examples of games which one would expect to sell to adults in a toy store, not to mention cards and card games. Toy stores sell adult themed toys and these typically are not " purient interest " items. (Come to think of it, Tabor's in Atlantic City, whose owner invented Monopoly, was a toy and variety store.) So what seems most logical is that it didn't occur to a shopkeeper that the pole dance set was an adult toy, and it didn't occur to the toymaker that a shopkeeper would make the mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 " So what seems most logical is that it didn't occur to a shopkeeper that the pole dance set was an adult toy, and it didn't occur to the toymaker that a shopkeeper would make the mistake. " Nicely argued Stan. However, did you actually look at the link? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=412195 & in_page_id=17 The box for this product shows a young scantily clad girl seductress in a two piece outfit with a grater holding to a pole. Her legs are spread and one finger is toying with the garter as though she plans to remove it. At the top of the packaging, it says " Peek-a-boo. " Not only does the product come with a garter, but it comes with toy money for stuffing into the garter. You'd have to be terribly unintelligent not to pick up on the sexual connotations implicit in this product. I can't see how a shopkeeper would stock this thing without seeing how sexually suggestive it is. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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