Re: Re: a bxd File to check signal

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Millie,and yet...wouldn't playing their Gameboy influence the signal? constant hand motions? actually with my son the laughing was only sporadic. The scratching, moving hands to the head, etc., were happening a LOT.  When it wasn't, the signal remained below threshold maybe most of the time. My " kid, " by the way, is 18 and off to college in August.

Thanks for your response.LizOn Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote:

 

Hi Liz,

The session did attach. I have not had the experience that a lot of other listmates have, but I watched a little of it and the movement definately muddied the signal. Even though you may expect an ADHD person to be fidgety, to minimize this I would suggest to at least pick a dvd that is less funny. While we want the person to be engaged, it should be clear to them that the point of the training is not for entertainment. I too have tried to get the person to buy into the training (family members are the worst), but found they will loose interest quickly if they do not achieve results. When I first started, Pete told me to do EO training with just the training screen (ie. keep the bar below the line, score points...) and I believe Dr. Sharrie said she only uses sound feedback and has her clients bring in their own activities. I know in teaching ADHD kids, they may not be able to sit in the chair for the lesson, but let them play their Gameboy and its a different story. Good luck!

Best wishes,

Millie

>

> Hello Listmates,

>

> A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could attach

> a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what

> I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will " show up " in this way. Do

> I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how do

> I do that?

>

> This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as per

> TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking

> brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing is,

> every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety, " itchy "

> person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to filter

> this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training

> somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile? We

> used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs

> involved!

>

> Thanks ---

>

> Liz

> --

> Margoshes, Ph.D.

> New York State Licensed Psychologist

> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>

-- Margoshes, Ph.D.New York State Licensed Psychologist 

[Guest guest]

thanks, Millie. I do think Dr.Sharrie uses only auditory feedback. I wonder what the clients are doing with the visuals at that time. LizOn Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote:

 

Hi Liz,

Actually it was Joanie (not Dr. Sharrie) that said, " Just train with audio and use small hand-held brain games for client entertainment as well as challenging the brain during training. " I thought it was a good suggestion so I added it to my file of posts I think I may want or need to refer to later.

I think that movement in the hands should be ok as long as the wires are not being moved. I try to set up the EEG behind or to the side so the cables are not hanging in the front. Also I sometimes use a velcro strip to tie the wires together and loosly channel them away from the body. I hope this helps.

And by the way, " family " I was referring to is my father. He wants to talk and ask questions during a movie. I learned with him, its best to stick with the bars and points. I also use HEG too. I know you want to get as much training in before he goes to school. I wish you the best of luck.

Millie

> > >

> > > Hello Listmates,

> > >

> > > A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could

> > attach

> > > a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what

> > > I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will " show up " in this way.

> > Do

> > > I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how

> > do

> > > I do that?

> > >

> > > This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as

> > per

> > > TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking

> > > brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing

> > is,

> > > every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety,

> > " itchy "

> > > person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to

> > filter

> > > this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training

> > > somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile?

> > We

> > > used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs

> > > involved!

> > >

> > > Thanks ---

> > >

> > > Liz

> > > --

> > > Margoshes, Ph.D.

> > > New York State Licensed Psychologist

> > > <http://www.finishingschool.org>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Margoshes, Ph.D.

> New York State Licensed Psychologist

> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>

-- Margoshes, Ph.D.New York State Licensed Psychologist 

[Guest guest]

Liz,

Marvin Sams trains kids with audio feedback while they are playing tetris

On May 1, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Millie wrote:

> Hi Liz,

>

> Actually it was Joanie (not Dr. Sharrie) that said, " Just train with audio and

use small hand-held brain games for client entertainment as well as challenging

the brain during training. " I thought it was a good suggestion so I added it to

my file of posts I think I may want or need to refer to later.

>

> I think that movement in the hands should be ok as long as the wires are not

being moved. I try to set up the EEG behind or to the side so the cables are

not hanging in the front. Also I sometimes use a velcro strip to tie the wires

together and loosly channel them away from the body. I hope this helps.

>

> And by the way, " family " I was referring to is my father. He wants to talk

and ask questions during a movie. I learned with him, its best to stick with the

bars and points. I also use HEG too. I know you want to get as much training in

before he goes to school. I wish you the best of luck.

>

> Millie

>

>>>>

>>>> Hello Listmates,

>>>>

>>>> A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could

>>> attach

>>>> a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what

>>>> I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will " show up " in this way.

>>> Do

>>>> I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how

>>> do

>>>> I do that?

>>>>

>>>> This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as

>>> per

>>>> TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking

>>>> brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing

>>> is,

>>>> every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety,

>>> " itchy "

>>>> person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to

>>> filter

>>>> this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training

>>>> somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile?

>>> We

>>>> used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs

>>>> involved!

>>>>

>>>> Thanks ---

>>>>

>>>> Liz

>>>> --

>>>> Margoshes, Ph.D.

>>>> New York State Licensed Psychologist

>>>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Margoshes, Ph.D.

>> New York State Licensed Psychologist

>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

So my question remains, : I wonder how the intrusion of muscle artifact influences the training. On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM, <gmartin@...> wrote:

 

Liz,

Marvin Sams trains kids with audio feedback while they are playing tetris

On May 1, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Millie wrote:

> Hi Liz,

>

> Actually it was Joanie (not Dr. Sharrie) that said, " Just train with audio and use small hand-held brain games for client entertainment as well as challenging the brain during training. " I thought it was a good suggestion so I added it to my file of posts I think I may want or need to refer to later.

>

> I think that movement in the hands should be ok as long as the wires are not being moved. I try to set up the EEG behind or to the side so the cables are not hanging in the front. Also I sometimes use a velcro strip to tie the wires together and loosly channel them away from the body. I hope this helps.

>

> And by the way, " family " I was referring to is my father. He wants to talk and ask questions during a movie. I learned with him, its best to stick with the bars and points. I also use HEG too. I know you want to get as much training in before he goes to school. I wish you the best of luck.

>

> Millie

>

>>>>

>>>> Hello Listmates,

>>>>

>>>> A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could

>>> attach

>>>> a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what

>>>> I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will " show up " in this way.

>>> Do

>>>> I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how

>>> do

>>>> I do that?

>>>>

>>>> This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as

>>> per

>>>> TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking

>>>> brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing

>>> is,

>>>> every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety,

>>> " itchy "

>>>> person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to

>>> filter

>>>> this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training

>>>> somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile?

>>> We

>>>> used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs

>>>> involved!

>>>>

>>>> Thanks ---

>>>>

>>>> Liz

>>>> --

>>>> Margoshes, Ph.D.

>>>> New York State Licensed Psychologist

>>>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Margoshes, Ph.D.

>> New York State Licensed Psychologist

>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

When I have done this type of thing, not often, the major artifact is when kids begin using body language to nudge things along. A couple reminders is usually all that is needed. SImple movements of the fingers on the device have not been a problemOn May 1, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Margoshes wrote:So my question remains, : I wonder how the intrusion of muscle artifact influences the training. On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM, <gmartin@...> wrote: Liz,Marvin Sams trains kids with audio feedback while they are playing tetrisOn May 1, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Millie wrote:> Hi Liz,> > Actually it was Joanie (not Dr. Sharrie) that said, "Just train with audio and use small hand-held brain games for client entertainment as well as challenging the brain during training." I thought it was a good suggestion so I added it to my file of posts I think I may want or need to refer to later.> > I think that movement in the hands should be ok as long as the wires are not being moved. I try to set up the EEG behind or to the side so the cables are not hanging in the front. Also I sometimes use a velcro strip to tie the wires together and loosly channel them away from the body. I hope this helps. > > And by the way, "family" I was referring to is my father. He wants to talk and ask questions during a movie. I learned with him, its best to stick with the bars and points. I also use HEG too. I know you want to get as much training in before he goes to school. I wish you the best of luck. > > Millie> >>>> >>>> Hello Listmates,>>>> >>>> A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could>>> attach>>>> a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what>>>> I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will "show up" in this way.>>> Do>>>> I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how>>> do>>>> I do that?>>>> >>>> This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as>>> per>>>> TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking>>>> brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing>>> is,>>>> every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety,>>> "itchy">>>> person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to>>> filter>>>> this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training>>>> somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile?>>> We>>>> used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs>>>> involved!>>>> >>>> Thanks --->>>> >>>> Liz>>>> -->>>> Margoshes, Ph.D.>>>> New York State Licensed Psychologist>>>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margoshes, Ph.D.>> New York State Licensed Psychologist>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>>> > > > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

,I meant in general. My son is not going to play a handheld game at this point. I'm talking about fidgeting, scratching, etc.  How still does the client have to be in order to get valid training?Liz

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM, <gmartin@...> wrote:

 

When I have done this type of thing, not often, the major artifact is when kids begin using body language to nudge things along.  A couple reminders is usually all that is needed.  SImple movements of the fingers on the device have not been a problem

On May 1, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Margoshes wrote:

So my question remains, : I wonder how the intrusion of muscle artifact influences the training.  On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM,  <gmartin@...> wrote:

 Liz,Marvin Sams trains kids with audio feedback while they are playing tetris

On May 1, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Millie wrote:> Hi Liz,> > Actually it was Joanie (not Dr. Sharrie) that said, " Just train with audio and use small hand-held brain games for client entertainment as well as challenging the brain during training. " I thought it was a good suggestion so I added it to my file of posts I think I may want or need to refer to later.

> > I think that movement in the hands should be ok as long as the wires are not being moved. I try to set up the EEG behind or to the side so the cables are not hanging in the front. Also I sometimes use a velcro strip to tie the wires together and loosly channel them away from the body. I hope this helps. 

> > And by the way, " family " I was referring to is my father. He wants to talk and ask questions during a movie. I learned with him, its best to stick with the bars and points. I also use HEG too. I know you want to get as much training in before he goes to school. I wish you the best of luck. 

> > Millie> >>>> >>>> Hello Listmates,>>>> >>>> A couple of people (well, maybe one - Mr. Odermatt) asked if I could>>> attach

>>>> a file of a session to see what's going on with my signal. So that's what>>>> I'm doing, except I'm not sure an attachment will " show up " in this way.>>> Do

>>>> I have to put it in Attachments in the group separately, and, if so, how>>> do>>>> I do that?>>>> >>>> This session, 20 minutes long, was done using a a 1 Ch 2-38Hz squash (as

>>> per>>>> TLC assessment) using a DVD as feedback, with the brightness blinking>>>> brighter and dimmer. I'd love any feedback about how it looks. One thing>>> is,

>>>> every time he moved (which was frequently: this is a very fidgety,>>> " itchy " >>>> person dx'd with ADHD), the signal went way up. Is there any way to>>> filter

>>>> this EMG intrusion out of the signal, or is accepted that when training>>>> somebody who can't sit still that's just the way it has to be for awhile?>>> We>>>> used an old Saturday Night Live video so there were a number of laughs

>>>> involved!>>>> >>>> Thanks --->>>> >>>> Liz>>>> -->>>> Margoshes, Ph.D.

>>>> New York State Licensed Psychologist>>>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>>>>> >>> 

>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margoshes, Ph.D.>> New York State Licensed Psychologist

>> <http://www.finishingschool.org>>> > > > > 

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