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(mercado 83),That's a good comment you made below. I know that Van Deusen has reservations about Brain State Training because Les Gerdes studied under . told me over the phone that Gerdes' methods are identical to TLC's (please correct me if I'm wrong, )--but I know from personal experience that BST is NOT identical to TLC training because, as you comment in your posting, , BST is absorbed passively--it does not take active mental concentration, as does traditional NF. It is also much quicker than NF.And to ---you yourself, , said to me, "...maybe if you want to get there without doing any work for

it..." or words to that effect. Well, of course I want to 'get there' the easiest possible way, , and of course I want to get there as quickly as possible! So does everybody. People have other things to devote their 'work' time to--like 'work,' for instance. That doesn't mean people are lazy, , it just means that they have other importance things going on and they want to get on with their lives.MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH BST:I've personally gone through BST--8 days, or 16 sessions, of it--in January 2011. To be frank, I just plain benefited from BST beyond my wildest expectations. I had given up all hope of a transformation in my life, but BST provided me with just that--a transformation. I now have a sense of inner calm and self-confidence that I've never known before, much more than I ever

achieved with meditation techniques. And the results I achieved from BST have been permanent because once one achieves a higher level of consciousness, then all decisions and actions are made from this level and one deals with life with more maturity. Even my husband has noticed and has even made the unsolicited comment that I seem 'different' now--better--more in charge of my life--and, believe me, my husband has NEVER said anything like that to me before in the 30+ years we've known each other! And when I say 'never,' I don't mean 'hardly ever'--I mean 'NEVER.' My husband's surprise comment reflects what Gerdes says regarding many who undergo BST--"...they just look so much more present." [the word 'present' in italics].I urge all NF practitioners to research BST further. I have no reason to say this to you, except that the results of BST are often so dramatic, as they

were in my case. Perhaps this is because Les Gerdes used the brain wave frequencies of two Buddhist monks to set up his first model, rather than the median of brain wave samples taken throughout the world (NF).MY CONVERSATION WITH HERSHEL TOOMIM:I don't know if one can reach a higher level of consciousness through traditional NF techniques or not, but can one reach it through NF in just three days? I spoke with Hershel Toomim about my experience with BST for over an hour one day. Hershel was a true professional, and a good listener--he respected what I told him about my experience with BST, and he accepted my words on face value--after all, I had no reason to lie to him about my experience, and he recognized that. Hershel asked me how long it took me to achieve the profound

change I experienced with BST, and I told him '3 days.' He said, "Three days!" Hershel was clearly impressed, and he told me he was going to explore BST further. He told me that he was positive that he could duplicate the results of BST. To my sorrow, Hershel, who I believe was 94 years old when I spoke to him, passed away shortly after our conversation. I hope other NF practitioners will pick up Hershel's torch and find out how BST works and duplicate it so that it can become more available to the public. I know that Gerdes didn't seek to have BST copyrighted (or patented? I forget which) because it would be too easy for others to duplicate once his secret was out. A BST practitioner told me that Gerdes felt that BST had a '5 year window' before others figured it out. Hershel himself was so positive that he could easily figure it out himself, but

unfortunately he didn't live long enough to pursue it--so, one of you out there, please pick up Hershel's torch. BST works better than traditional NF--I'm sure of it. Read about it online; take the 5-day/10-session BST training yourself; watch the youtube videos of the severely involved child receiving BST in AZ; read the testimonials of soldiers suffering from PTSD.RE: LES GERDES:I have no allegiance to Les Gerdes himself--in fact, I fear his apparently-harsh business practices might 'do BST in'-- but I do know that his Brain State Training worked extremely well for me and for others, and that BST doesn't require dozens or hundreds of sessions to achieve desired results as does NF. And children can play with their toys if they want to, while undergoing BST, rather than be coerced into focusing on the computer screen

In his book "Limitless You," Gerdes explains that he achieved better results from NF for his PTSD than he did with other treatments, such as drugs or psychotherapy (he was attacked and beaten by a gang of kids in San Francisco); but, Gerdes said, NF just didn't work fast enough, and he wanted to get on with his life. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH 'BEING A GOOD MARKETER.' Van Deusen comments that Les Gerdes is a good "marketer," and I suppose Pete is right about that--but Gerdes' marketing skills DO NOT in any way diminish the genuine value of BST as a treatment. Marketing was Gerdes's forte to begin with, and he was good at it--he was a major force behind making Amazon.com the major force that it is today. But that's not an argument against the true value of BST.RE:

LENS:I intend to take further sessions of BST--but I, too, wonder whether I might benefit as much or more from LENS. From what I've been told, LENS tends to be of greatest benefit to those who have undergone recent severe trauma, such as a stroke. I also read somewhere--I think in the book "A Symphony in the Brain" by Jim Robbins--that LENS has even benefited dogs that had been emotionally traumatized as a result of Hurricane Katrina and were left abandoned. These traumatized dogs, who had started snapping at people in their fear, became calm enough to be adoptable again.In other words, with LENS, as with BST, one does not have to be actively engaged in the process in order to benefit from it. You can even benefit from BST if you fall asleep. I was told during my BST sessions to simply to imagine myself relaxing in

a pleasant surrounding. I chose to picture myself on a blanket on a beach in Galveston TX, where I lived for 2 years. There were a couple of other visualization things I was asked to follow for BST, but that was it. I didn't have to actively concentrate on anything, like make a submarine going up and down, or make an airplane fly, on the computer screen in front of me.STUDY BEING PERFORMED ON BST:I've considered trying traditional NF--which is why I'm on this site, to learn more about it--but, based on what I've read to date on this site, plus on Les Gerdes' book "Limitless You," plus on testimonials for BST that I've read, it sounds like BST is much faster than traditional NF and that it's the most cost-effective way to go.Another point worth mentioning: The U. of Va. is

currently conducting a study on BST, with the support and cooperation of the US Military, on 350 soldiers suffering from PTSD. The reason that the military chose to pursue this study is that they are desperate to find some effective means to deal with PTSD of their returning soldiers, and testimonials of soldiers with PTSD who have undergone BST have been impressive. IMPT FOR NEUROFEEDBACK PRACTITIONERS TO KNOW: SOLDIERS SUFFERING FROM PTSD CAN RECEIVE BST FOR FREE:Which brings to mind something else that NF practitioners need to know: MOST, IF NOT ALL, BRAIN STATE TRAINING CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE US, OFFER SOLDIERS WHO SERVED IN A WAR ZONE and who are now experiencing PTSD AS A RESULT, BST TREATMENT WITHOUT CHARGE. So if you know of any soldiers suffering from PTSD, whether it be from Viet Nam or Iraq or

Afghanistan, please call Brain State Technology's AZ office for more details.Being from a military family myself, I care a lot about our soldiers--a whole lot. If you know ANY soldier suffering from PTSD as a result of serving in a war zone, PLEASE pass this information on to the soldier or his family. Professional responsibility calls for it.I have great respect for all of you NF practitioners--you deserve more attention and respect than the medical community gives you. Thank you for all you've done to help people in need.Yours,Shane New Hope PAFrom: mercado_83 <mercado_83@...> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:19 PMSubject: Re: What's the scoop on Les Fehmi

I skimmed through the BST file Pete uploaded. From what I can tell, the BST software provides feedback in the form of sounds that reflect some aspects of the real-time activity of the brain, and the brain is hypothesized to automatically correct itself while listening to the sounds, and the user sits passively without actively trying to change anything (p. 9-11). To me, that sounds closer to the LENS approach than the TLC approach (the TLC approach being closer to "traditional" methods of neurofeedback).

Chivers

> As for BST...well, I've already written that story several times, and I'm

> tired of it. Of course it "works" for some people, and doesn't for others.

> All NF does. But BST, and certainly Mr. Gerdes, are much more about

> marketing than about brain training. I have recently seen that they are now

> calling what they do (drum-roll)

> "High-resolution, Relational, Resonance-Based Electroencephalic Mirroring"

> or HIRREM (which name, by the way, is TRADEMARKED!! If you put salt in a

> fancy container and call it low-cal, all-natural, gluten-free NaCl

> flavoring, you'll probably be able to sell it for double the price to at

> least some of the market. And no matter what you call it, it still adds a

> salty taste to your food, so many people will like it--same as regular salt

> in a simple package. That's marketing. And if you can get a few

> "celebrities" to swear that they won't eat a bite without it, well, you'll

> sell even more.

>

> Anyone wants to read the 18-page "article" setting this forth, I've uploaded

> it to in the Files area

> /files/

> Anyone who is particularly interested might wish to glance through pp13-17,

> where they explain the difference between HIRREM (sorry, I can't find the TM

> key on my keyboard) and "regular" neurofeedback.

>

> Let the buyer beware, regardless of what he/she is buying.

>

> Pete

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