Re: Blood Type A?

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Hello Dan,

I have O negative, and I believe that my brother has the same. We are both

Aspie. My

mother may or may not have had A.S. and she had O - her brothers and sisters did

and I

beleive that they had O negative as well.

I just heard a doctor on genetics and autism - he is at the Montreal Chidren's

Hospital. He

said that they are finding, currently, across Canada, that Autism is being

diagnosed at

about 6.7 per cent of the population. He said that the genetic studies they

have had thus

far are complicated as in different family groups there are different genes

involved.

I have a sense, although well meaning, that maybe Donna is wrong. It will be

interesting

to know what others' blood types here on this list are.

Thanks!

Deborah

>

> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body Ecology Diet)

> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.

>

> Anyone on this list blood type A?

>

> I am A-

>

> Dan

>

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You might want to reread that or else consider that the 80 percent she's speaking of came from philippines or asian descent. Most autistics would certainly not be blood type A. Dan Corrigan <dan@...> wrote: I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body Ecology Diet) and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A. Anyone on this list blood type A? I am A- Dan

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I am o-

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RE blood type and autism I am extremely-extremely skeptical there is such a powerful link, or even that there is a weak link. The genetics of autism has accumulated a great deal of information so far, and although the picture is still quite murky, if there were such a simple relationship to blood types it would have been well established quite a long time ago and would definitely be mentioned in such scholarly review articles as the following- http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n6/abs/5201610a.html (I have read the article in detail. However due to copyright etc cannot post it to the list. If you are at a university library though then you can dowload and print out the pdf as I regularly do with so many articles it's a major part of

my limited budget.) By the way, if I haven't mentioned it before there is what I consider to be an extremely important article recently written by a world-leading behavioral geneticist Plomin and others, in one of the most prestigious of journals, that should be accessible to everyone's computer's- ("open access" article...) The article includes comments about how so many different factors go into the development of autism "spectrum" (misnomer) disorders. If there were one single large factor correlated with autism, such as blood type, it would be mentioned in many-many places in the literature, which it's not. http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v9/n10/full/nn1770.html (Hmm... how odd...I can't even remember what is my blood type. Haven't

thought about it since I was tested as a child some 40 years ago.) Cheers, Heph miminm <mnmimi@...> wrote: I am o-Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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Re:

> ... they are finding, currently, across Canada, that Autism is being

> diagnosed at

> about 6.7 per cent of the population.

.... a *heck* of a lot more than the 1-in-166 (about 0.7%)

that so terrifies and enrages " Autism Speaks " ...

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Re:

> ... they are finding, currently, across Canada, that Autism is being

> diagnosed at

> about 6.7 per cent of the population.

.... a *heck* of a lot more than the 1-in-166 (about 0.7%)

that so terrifies and enrages " Autism Speaks " ...

Kate Gladstone

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A - here as well.

>

> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body Ecology

Diet)

> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.

>

> Anyone on this list blood type A?

>

> I am A-

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you know what her reasons are

for thinking there is a correlation between blood types and autism

or was it just a coincidence?

Raven

>

> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body

Ecology Diet)

> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.

>

> Anyone on this list blood type A?

>

> I am A-

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

> Anyone on this list blood type A?

> I am A-

> Dan

I am A negative, also.

Take care,

Gail :-)

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" That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you know what her reasons are for

thinking there is a correlation between blood types and autism or was it

just a coincidence? " -Raven

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Here's what Donna Gates says about Blood Type A and autism:

" Out of every ten children with autism, eight will be blood type A. This

blood type typically has low stomach acid. When they eat protein, A's do not

digest it. This leads to chronic low-grade protein deficiency. Recent

research from England links protein malnutrition with elevated cortisol

levels. A's, even little ones, feel more anxious when cortisol levels are

high. They also find it difficult to sleep even though they may be

exhausted. Children with autism have problem sleeping at night. On the Body

Ecology Diet we know how to feed little A's. "

http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/newsletter/2005/mar/23/origins_of_autism.php

Also, she says this:

" Children are often being misdiagnosed or labeled with disorders like ADD,

ADHD or autism when, in fact, they are simply deficient in nutrients, lack

energy, have chronic-low grade infections and have poor digestion.

I have also noticed that the majority of autistic children are blood type A.

That tells me something right there because As are typically very low in

stomach acid. Hydrochloric acid, the first enzyme our stomach produces,

triggers all the other enzymes to work properly. Knowing this, you can

certainly see how important this first enzyme (HCl) is to all of the

digestion that follows. "

http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/newsletter/2005/jan/25/kids_health_autism_zin

c.php

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Awhile back I read the book " Eat Right For Your Type " and I think Donna's

work is partially based on that book. I don't think the blood type concept

is perfect, but it correctly points out that everyone does do better eating

different foods. For example, I would not do well being a vegan... Give me

bacon, eggs and lots of butter!

Dan

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I very much agree with the nutrient situation and malabsorbtion and

myself my son my family and my ancestors. I don't have the right

bloodtype but I do have the digestion issues. I can say that synthetic

foods mask this as well as synthetic chemicals. I didn't feel greatt

when I ate Mcs in my youth but I am far more aware of my issues

now and I have a very healthy diet. One has to remove the veil to see

the true problem mimi

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thats a bunch of stuff. Every one is different, Lornaravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you know what her reasons are for thinking there is a correlation between blood types and autism or was it just a coincidence?Raven>> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body Ecology

Diet)> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.> > Anyone on this list blood type A?> > I am A-> > Dan>

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I'm a universal donnor, O neg

Kim

>

> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body Ecology

Diet)

> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.

>

> Anyone on this list blood type A?

>

> I am A-

>

> Dan

>

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Dan wrote: " ... <snip> ... I have also noticed that the majority of

autistic children are blood type A. That tells me something right

there because As are typically very low in stomach acid. Hydrochloric

acid, the first enzyme our stomach produces, triggers all the other

enzymes to work properly. Knowing this, you can certainly see how

important this first enzyme (HCl) is to all of the digestion that

follows. "

While the information regarding the enzymes may be accurate, the

hypothesis that persons with autism are more apt to be blood type A is

flawed in its logic. Anecdotal evidence, while plentiful and

valuable, is not anywhere near as reliable as scientic evidence.

Raven

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Love ya kim im with you-lornaKim <6emini@...> wrote: I'm a universal donnor, O negKim>> I recently attended a lecture presented by Donna Gates (Body EcologyDiet)> and she said that the 80% of autistic children are blood type A.>> Anyone on this list blood type A?>> I am A->>

Dan>

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Grunt. I'm type O.

This happens to be the most common blood type, + in soem parts of the

world it's dominant. If I remember from a leaflet, O was the only group

in the South American native (what is the PC word for them?)

population. Are we to suppose there is no autism among them?

The A and rarer B factors had to spread through the world from their

origins. O is the default blood type.

Do you know what her reasons are for

> thinking there is a correlation between blood types and autism or was

it

> just a coincidence? " -Raven

>

> ------

> Here's what Donna Gates says about Blood Type A and autism:

>

> " Out of every ten children with autism, eight will be blood type A.

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you got it marice ! Lornamaurice <megaknee@...> wrote: Grunt. I'm type O.This happens to be the most common blood type, + in soem parts of the world it's dominant. If I remember from a leaflet, O was the only group in the South American native (what is the PC word for them?) population. Are we to suppose there is no autism among them?The A and rarer B factors had to spread through the world from their origins. O is the default blood type.Do you know what her reasons are for> thinking there is a correlation between blood types and autism or was it> just a coincidence?" -Raven> > ------> Here's what Donna Gates says about Blood Type A and autism:> > "Out of every ten children with autism, eight will be blood type A.

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" While the information regarding the enzymes may be accurate, the

hypothesis that persons with autism are more apt to be blood type A is

flawed in its logic. Anecdotal evidence, while plentiful and

valuable, is not anywhere near as reliable as scientic evidence. " -Raven

I agree with you that, in general, the blood type concept is flawed. Last

year when I attended the same conference (Wise Traditions), there was a

doctor who gave a talk on cancer and enzymes. He had said that the blood

type diet was flawed. He talked about a guy who figured out that there were

about a dozen(?) different metabolic types. Basically, a certain food may be

good for someone, and that same food may be bad for someone else. This makes

more sense to me.

My guess is that the Blood Type / Autism connection, like you said is more

anecdotal. I think Donna Gates is chasing a red herring. Although, I am

quite intruiged by her work on digestive health. I am big fan of gut health.

There is a huge gut/brain connection.

Dan

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Oh, I agree totally with you Dan on that one. I didn't mean to come off as such a prick when I wrote the earlier response to the blood type. Yes, healing the gut helps heal the brain. You know about Reuteri, Acidophilus, Bifidus, Casei, Buckthorn root, fiber, vitamin B-12 and B-6, electrolyte balance, yeast overgrowth, and the very important digestive enzymes. That's what I imagine you've heard about. I'm a big fan of gut health too Dan. It's good to know you understand how it works. Dan Corrigan <dan@...> wrote: "While the information regarding the enzymes may be accurate, the hypothesis that persons with autism are more apt to be blood type A is flawed in its logic. Anecdotal evidence, while plentiful and valuable, is not anywhere near as reliable as scientic evidence." -RavenI agree with you that, in general, the blood type concept is flawed. Lastyear when I attended the same conference (Wise Traditions), there was adoctor who gave a talk on cancer and enzymes. He had said that the bloodtype diet was flawed. He talked about a guy who figured out that there wereabout a dozen(?) different metabolic types. Basically, a certain food may begood for someone, and that same food may be bad for someone else. This makesmore sense to me.My guess is that the Blood Type / Autism connection, like you said is moreanecdotal. I think Donna Gates is chasing a red herring. Although, I amquite intruiged by her work on digestive

health. I am big fan of gut health.There is a huge gut/brain connection.Dan

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Math Error? I suppose I should have caught this right away- If you slip a decimal over, from 6.7% to 0.67%, you have roughly 6 in 1000, or 1 in 166. Did someone just make a typo and not catch it? (Or are they really claiming that the rate is ten times greater in Canada...) Given all the errors I see all the time these days, I'm inclined to suspect sloppiness. (Along with memorizing multplication tables, if you're doing lots of basic math computations it's very useful to have memorized single-digit inverses approximations... 1/9 is about .1111..., 1/8th is 0.125, ...1/6th is 0.1666...) Heph Kate Gladstone

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About Asperger's being epidemic... I thought something 'epidemic' only

has to do with something contagious. Aspergers is not contagious.

>

> And while some may think there is an AS epidemic, this is inaccurate

> at best. The ability to more accurately diagnosis AS is what

> creates the increased numbers that have you so concerned.

>

> Raven

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RE: AS rates, ADD diagnoses and... Diane Kennedy at the recent online Awares autism conference presented a paper in which she made a very interesting point about possible overlapping or misdiagnoses between diagnostic categories. Estimates for students having some degree of ADD type problems range as high as one in ten- and for AS only around one in 166. Also, one in six children diagnosed with AS have strong ADD/ADHD type co-symptomology. Clinicians are much more familiar with ADD/ADHD, and there is already a good deal of funding for it. So there may be some diagnoses bias effects occurring. Indulge my playing with some numbers here- but first I want to put that 1 in 166 number in perspective- well- my perspective anyway! It is the same as saying six in one thousand. But by saying one in 166 it

sounds like it is accurate to three decimal places. (Grrrr!) I think that's just plain nonsense- as can be seen many places in the research literature- and in Diane Kennedy's paper as well! It's part of the casual debasing of numbers and science (for which numbers are nearly the language of) that leads the world into darkness and chaos instead of truth and light... ah well. Back to normal-talk-talk. People like Gerd Gigerenzer and his research group at the Max Planck Institute (the Harvard-MIT of Germany) have spent a lot of time researching how best we humans with our evolved minds deal with statistics... cutting to the quick here- thinking in terms of six in a thousand is better for most of us than thinking in terms of 1 in 166. (e.g. if you came from a secondary school of 800 students- that would be the equivalent of roughly five students.) I could write ad nauseum about the games the medical industry plays

with statistics... It's really incredibly tragic actually... Continuing on--- Imagine a school of 10,000 students. (A small university in the USA.) If one in ten has some degree of ADD/ADHD that produces a group of 1,000. If say 20% of the diagnoses of ADD/ADHD are really AS, then of that 1,000 there are 200 who are really AS with sub-type ADHD (is how I think of it). So add another 200, to the "1 in 166" number. That "1 in 166" number (not significant to three digits!) in the class of 10,000 means 60. (Simply multiply 6 by 10.) But now with the potential correction in the misdiagnoses it goes from 60 to 260! More than four times greater. All these numbers are very soft however, in all directions. (At the conference, registration was free and I still have access. Not sure if you can register anymore...) http://www.awares.org/conferences/ http://www.awares.org/conferences/show_paper.asp?section=000100010001 & conferenceCode=000200020008 & id=100 & full_paper=1 This might get to the paper.... http://www.awares.org/conferences/print_paper.asp?section=000100010001 & conferenceCode=000200020008 & id=100 Lots of hits about her at google - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=Diane+Kennedy+autism

Heph ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: The information is from the Centre for Disease Control that the rate for Autism Spectrum Disorders is 1 in 166. The incidence rate for Asperger Syndrome in North America is 1 in 285. The incidence rate information from the CDC is in keeping with the statistics in Canada.There is no error in calculations. This is based on medical research done by the CDC and its affiliates as well as recognized medical

researchers in Canada.Prior to Asperger Syndrome being in the DSM-IV, children with AS were diagnoses as being atypical schizophrenics or gifted children with severe social deficits. And while some may think there is an AS epidemic, this is inaccurate at best. The ability to more accurately diagnosis AS is what creates the increased numbers that have you so concerned.Raven> Re:> > > ... they are finding, currently, across Canada, that Autism is being> > diagnosed at> > about 6.7 per cent of the population.> > ... a *heck* of a lot more than the 1-in-166 (about 0.7%)> that so terrifies and enrages "Autism Speaks" ...> > Kate Gladstone> > > > > > Hephaestus Clubfoot> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus> http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.html> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi> > ---------------------------------> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.>Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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Heph,

I agree with you that numbers can be used to sway the public's

perception of things.

" 6 in 1000 " does not sound as big as " 1 in 166 " to my ears. And I

would wager that most people hear statistical representations

similarly.

Ergo if you are going to try and get people to panic, it's wise to

use the " 1 in 166 number. "

Here is another way to get people to panic: 1 in 300 people in the

US have HIV and/or AIDS. By contrast, 1 in 166 have some form of

autism.

This would scare people because most people are aware of HIV/AIDS

abd how common it is, and if autism is more common than AIDS, holy

cow! Also, the deadliness of HIV/AIDS transfers to autism in the

minds of some people who don't think logically. So you can make

autism more serious than it really is by pairing it up with a deadly

disease.

If you want to represent things in a way that is probably, if not

statistically correct, " 6 in 1000 " is better. However, in either

case, and in the case of " 1 in 166 " speciffically, the numbers tell

it like it is according to the studies have been done. So what

difference does it make WHICH numbers are used?

Personally, I think " 1 in 166 " is a phrase and concept people can

digest. The larger the number, the harder it is for people to

imagine it.

In think of HIV/AIDS, I imagine how many people I drive past in my

car when I go somewhere. If I think I've seen three hundred cars, I

think to myself " Now statistically, it is probable that at least one

of those folks has HIV/AIDS. Now which one is it? " And I think to

myself that, statistically, I only have to pass slightly more than

half as many cars and I will pass someone who has some form of

autism.

Tom

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Indulge my playing with some numbers here- but first I want to put

that 1 in 166 number in perspective- well- my perspective anyway! It

is the same as saying six in one thousand. But by saying one in 166

it sounds like it is accurate to three decimal places. (Grrrr!) I

think that's just plain nonsense- as can be seen many places in the

research literature- and in Diane Kennedy's paper as well! It's part

of the casual debasing of numbers and science (for which numbers are

nearly the language of) that leads the world into darkness and chaos

instead of truth and light... ah well. Back to normal-talk-talk.

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So many in the NT world think that because AS is being more

accurately diagnosed than ever before that they can refer to it as

an epidemic. *sigh* Really now!!!

Raven

>

> >

> > And while some may think there is an AS epidemic, this is

inaccurate

> > at best. The ability to more accurately diagnosis AS is what

> > creates the increased numbers that have you so concerned.

> >

> > Raven

>

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Heph wrote: " ... <snip> ... People like Gerd Gigerenzer and his

research group at the Max Planck Institute (the Harvard-MIT of

Germany) have spent a lot of time researching how best we humans

with our evolved minds deal with statistics... cutting to the quick

here- thinking in terms of six in a thousand is better for most of

us than thinking in terms of 1 in 166. (e.g. if you came from a

secondary school of 800 students- that would be the equivalent of

roughly five students.) I could write ad nauseum about the games the

medical industry plays with statistics... It's really incredibly

tragic actually... Continuing on--- Imagine a school of 10,000

students. (A small university in the USA.) If one in ten has some

degree of ADD/ADHD that produces a group of 1,000. If say 20% of the

diagnoses of ADD/ADHD are really AS, then of that 1,000 there are

200 who are really AS with sub-type ADHD (is how I think of it). So

add another 200, to the " 1 in 166 " number. That " 1 in 166 " number

(not significant to three digits!) in the class of 10,000 means 60.

(Simply multiply 6 by 10.) But now with the potential correction in

the misdiagnoses it goes from 60 to 260! More than four times

greater. All these numbers are very soft however, in all directions. "

Here's the thing, Heph ... when it comes to funding for research,

programs and services, government monies directed towards Autism

Spectrum Disorders is disproportionate to other disorders and

disabilities.

In the United States, leukemia affects 1 in 25,000 children.

Muscular Dystrophy affects 1 in 20,000 children. Cystic Fibrosis

affects 1 in 5,000 children. Juvenile Diabetes affects 1 in 500

children.

Autism affects 1 in 166 children.

Asperger's Syndrome affects 1 in 285 children.

If you have ever tried to access and secure services for a child

with AS, you would know that you have a much better chance of

getting a plethora of services if your child had another

disability. By virtue of having AS, your child doesn't even get the

minimal services that a low functioning autistic will receive.

Government departments, school boards and most agencies don't give a

hoot about helping AS children or the parents who are dedicated to

their AS children.

That's the bottom line.

Raven