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>

> Thus at what point do AS traits cross the threshhold into an AS

> diagnosis and at one point does having some AS traits make someone

> not AS but just someone with AS traits?

>

I think the terms are clinical and sub-clinical. I believe the

destinction is in functioning. Does the set of behaviors interfere

in the jobs of daily life.

The problem with that is however also societal. Our ability to be

employed (by working well with others is hampered) This I have found

is oftentimes because we impose a high standard on ourselves and

because others are lax we become dissalusioned, irritable, and

dissatisfied. We end up being perfectionists and loners, and when we

can find a niche that only supports or singular endeavor we find

success. I have often longer for a job that I could do alone or with

a comitted other(or few others) where high standards were a

requirement. (I worked for seven years in a place where my job was

to notice imperfection) It was very low paying, but I worked 70 hour

weeks because it was what I liked.

Anyway based on my skill set I should be gainfully employed but

because I cannot stand impriority, or disservice to an employer it

becomes difficult for me to stay at a more lucrative position.

Parenting seems to be a good place for me but the pay is horrendous

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In your statements you bring to light the points.

Regulation/ConSIDERATION has to be universal. One entity doing the

right thing doesn't negate all the wrong. The world would have to be

on the same page of preservation of environment and resources.

Management of everything. Taking responsibility for all actions in an

effort to bring about the best possible outcome. It comes back to

Utopian ideals. Everyone has to be commited to progress and what

progress means. The industrial age is in a sense dying. There has to

rise an economy of green industry to preserve what we cannot replace.

the Earth, Air and Water. you are very knowledgeable and you

may be very correct in that your family is part of a group og concerned

humans, but not every group is. As you state other countries, Brazil,

Chile etc, That isn't a reason for your family to stop but rather the

reason for others to start

[Guest guest]

The question is, who or what is it that impairs our functioning.

Some of it probably truly can be attributed to AS, but I also think

that much of it has to do with the way other people react to us.

Just as you say in your employment example, there are certain places

where we do not fit in, and clearly in many of these cases it is

because our standards are higher, or we insist on doing a better job

than others.

Yes, we stim. Yes we have other odd behaviotrs. Yes, we are anti-

social.

So what?

If we can get the job done then we are entitled to the job.

Not hiring someone or not being friends with someone or not

socializing with someone PURELY because they appear to be different

is wrong, and how can WE bve assigned responsibility for how others

see us and react to us?

Tom,

Administrator

" I think the terms are clinical and sub-clinical. I believe the

destinction is in functioning. Does the set of behaviors interfere

in the jobs of daily life. "

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" The deer population is probably affected somewhat by farming.

However, the numbers are high even in places where there is little

farming or ranching. Deer are just very prolific breeders with no

real natural enemies in most places aside from humans. That will

probably be a continuing problem for a while yet.

" "

Be of good cheer. Not so long ago, a wild cougar was seen prowling

around EAST of the Mississippi. Whether or not it was truly wild or

was someone's pet that has been released, it bodes well if it has

survived and has mated. Cougars prey on deer.

And no, they do not prey on humans as a rule, nor do they go after

cattle. Cattle are easy targets because they don't move fast, but

they are also not so easy for cougars to kill either, and they would

much rather go after deer.

People will say that a cougar would have to hunt deer but not

cattle. Not true. Cattle will scent cougar as easily as deer do.

What a cougar will do is hide in a tree and jump on the deer's back

and bite its neck until it suffocates. But it cannot do this on open

farmland where cattle roam.

Just one cougar can kill as many as 30 or 40 deer deer a year.

Tom

Administrator

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In a message dated 1/8/2007 1:56:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mnmimi@... writes:

In your statements you bring to light the points. Regulation/ConSIDERATION has to be universal. One entity doing the right thing doesn't negate all the wrong.

Here is an article I found today. It is more on the macro scale end of the forestry issue, but it does make a few points. Another reason not mentioned in the article is that builders import wood because it is sometimes cheaper to import it from countries with less regulation and cost than to buy from US sources. This also hurts US agriculture because it puts loggers and sometimes mills out of business and causes land owners to sell to developers who might cut the forests down because they can't afford to keep the land due to taxes. The reference to Massachusetts is indirectly addressing that problem.

How U.S. policies harm overseas forests

By Jim BowyerJanuary 10, 2007

Concerned about impending reductions in wood imports from Canada, U.S. homebuilders are looking around the globe for a solution. In their sights: Russia. In some ways, Russia is a logical place to look for more wood because it has almost one-fourth of the world's forestland. But looking beyond that fact, Russia quickly comes up short. While the Russian government is attempting to address problems, there remain widespread issues related to a lack of environmental oversight of forest harvesting, inefficiency among timber operators, and illegal logging. In fact, a 2005 report by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Foreign Agricultural Service estimates 25 percent to 50 percent of logs exported from Russia originate in illegal logging, putting forests at risk. Illegal logging continues to be rampant internationally, causing environmental damage and encouraging corruption. It also leaves behind a hefty price tag for developing nations, who forfeit an estimated $15 billion a year in lost revenue, according to the World Bank. As the United States sets its sights on wood supplies outside North America it runs the very real risk of simultaneously transferring the environmental impacts of forest harvesting to other countries while also magnifying the impacts of harvest. The National Association of Homebuilders is looking to Russia for one simple reason -- its pleas to increase the harvesting of wood in the United States have gone nowhere. The lack of attention to changing harvest policy is surprising in view of the fact that in many federally managed forests in the United States thinning is badly needed to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire -- a risk that grows with each passing month. Harvest activity in the nation's federal forests is a fraction of what it was in the relatively recent past. In California alone, state records show that harvesting trees on federal lands today is just 12 percent of what it was 20 years ago. While some might applaud the lack of harvest activity in federal forests, the fact is that the rate of forest growth is well above the rate of removals nationwide, and in federally managed forests in particular. As a result, tree mortality is far higher on federal land than on any other class of forest ownership. In California, more than 11/2 times the annual consumption of wood accumulates as new growth onto existing trees each year. The increasing occurrence of large, catastrophic fire events is a direct result of overcrowding resulting from nonmanagement. Billions are spent in attempting to protect lives and property as these events unfold, while millions of tons of carbon dioxide, methane, and particulates are released into the atmosphere. Meanwhile, harvesting is quietly shifted outside the borders of the United States. It is completely irresponsible not to utilize more of the unprecedented forest growth in this nation's forests. Thankfully, attitudes are beginning to change. In Massachusetts, a group of Harvard University professors concerned about forests are encouraging sustainable harvesting of trees to keep forestland in that state, rather than seeing such land developed. They note Massachusetts harvests trees to meet just 2 percent of its wood product needs, yet has the capacity to harvest far more. Before we take steps to export more of the impacts of our consumption to other countries, it is time for policy leaders to rethink management standards for the nation's federal forests. We can and must do a better job of managing our national forests and we need to reverse, as soon as possible, the little-to-no-harvest mantra of the past decade. Jim Bowyer is a professor emeritus, Department of BioProducts and BioProcess Engineering, University of Minnesota, St. . He is also director of the Responsible Materials Program, Dovetail Partners Inc., White Bear Lake, Minn.

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In a message dated 1/10/2007 1:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 6emini@... writes:

This is my life! They try to tell me it's the chaos therory at work butI know better. I go around stacking, packing, cleaning & putting thingsin order and the rest of my family pulls it apart. If I'm in a goodmood, I just put things back where I like them but if I'm having a badday, I go about like a drill sergant. I think I missed my calling, I'mso very good a barking orders! :-oKim

Most of my things are in orderly disorder, meaning things are messy but I know where they are. The exceptions to this are my books and the kitchen. I like having my books together by topic and subtopic. The kitchen I keep orderly so food does get lost and got to waste. When I do organize things, I like to have it done my way, since that is usually a logical method. I also don't like people fooling with my system when I have one set up.

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> wrote:

> Now the orderly cabinet is back to a jumbled mess.

> Its so frustrating.

> I have been having to be polite to these people when they spend the

day

> trying my patience. I'm not sure they mean to be doing it most of the

time, but

> there are other times I know they are trying to get under my skin.

Speaking of

> which, the house has gone quiet so I'd better go look for them.

>

This is my life! They try to tell me it's the chaos therory at work but

I know better. I go around stacking, packing, cleaning & putting things

in order and the rest of my family pulls it apart. If I'm in a good

mood, I just put things back where I like them but if I'm having a bad

day, I go about like a drill sergant. I think I missed my calling, I'm

so very good a barking orders! :-o

Kim

[Guest guest]

yes effective management may mean weeding out the necessary amount. I

believe in conscious management not in conservation for the sake of

conserving. That is like information hording, or collecting things

that can never have use. Mismanagement is mismanagement, for a life a

country a government a brain. Thought is the crucial missing element

and long range thinking.

[Guest guest]

oh Kim and

don't get me started!!. I prefer to do everything myself. Sometime I

wish I could have help because I am tired then I think about how that

other person would do it and my tired dissapears. My family has

learned to leave me alone to clean for the day. I have very

unrealistic goals for myself and usually I try to accomplish 3 days

worth of tasks in one. I haven't learned to replicate yet

I get asked if I want a maid (they say that to drive me crazy!!)

[Guest guest]

I hate it too when my things are being invaded, this is a common AS

trait. I like living on my own because I can control where everything

is, and the place is quiet.

This starts to be a problem though when we live with someone else,

particularly our own NT children. They need to have friends around

just as much as we need our peace and quiet. Mutual accommodation

seems very difficult.

>

> >

> > I don't like " intruders " in the house in the first place, and I

> don't

> > particularly like these people, so it was rather tiring. Worst

horror

> was when they

> > used my bathroom. I hate people using my bathroom. No details,

but

> suffice

> > it to say, I was NOT pleased after they left.

> >

> >

> >

> These are the events that cause people to say I have a lot of hang-

> ups. I HATE to be invaded, What I hate is the lack of

consideration.

> I do not touch other people things unless I am asked. I cook what

by

> BF likes to eat. I prefer to do the cleaning myself so that I know

it

> is the level of work that I can live with. If someone were willing

to

> have a standard then I would not be so rigid. However like

> states: no details (I don't want to swim in other peoples microbial

> leavings) well just wanted to say you are not alone in your desire

to

> keep your environment untainted

>

[Guest guest]

" I hate it too when my things are being invaded, this is a common AS

trait. I like living on my own because I can control where everything

is, and the place is quiet. "

I do believe you are right when you say you think this is an AS

trait. I have a place for everything and everything in its place,

even if what I have does not look organized to others. And I don't

like people " tidying up " for me or moving things around, or

borrowing things without my consent. If they do so, I am completely

disorganized even if the relocated object is a mere 12 inches away.

" This starts to be a problem though when we live with someone else,

particularly our own NT children. They need to have friends around

just as much as we need our peace and quiet. Mutual accommodation

seems very difficult. "

One thing:

I tend to be willing to make concessions for those who are different

than I, but I seldom see reciprocity. I let others have their way,

sometimes letting them know how much I am being inconvenienced, but

if I ask for concessions, I seldom receive them. (Er...let me

quantify more specifically: If I ask for concessions from Aspies, I

generally get them if what I ask for is reasonable. If I ask for

concessions from non-Aspies, I seldom get them at all, and am

usually told that what I am asking for is ridiculous and selfish.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I think in some ways I am fortunate that my son is not NT/non aspie. He

can be quite loud at times though - he is not a quiet aspie type.

However we both give one another space and that helps.

Thinking about it my most successful intimate relationship was mostly

(I believe) due to the fact we gave one another quite a bit of space

and guess we were respectfull of one anothers needs and I have stayed

in touch and am still friends with the person from that relationship.

>

> I hate it too when my things are being invaded, this is a common AS

> trait. I like living on my own because I can control where everything

> is, and the place is quiet.

>

> This starts to be a problem though when we live with someone else,

> particularly our own NT children. They need to have friends around

> just as much as we need our peace and quiet. Mutual accommodation

> seems very difficult.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " I hate it too when my things are being invaded, this is a common AS

> trait. I like living on my own because I can control where

everything

> is, and the place is quiet. "

>

> I do believe you are right when you say you think this is an AS

> trait. I have a place for everything and everything in its place,

> even if what I have does not look organized to others. And I don't

> like people " tidying up " for me or moving things around, or

> borrowing things without my consent. If they do so, I am completely

> disorganized even if the relocated object is a mere 12 inches away.

>

> " This starts to be a problem though when we live with someone else,

> particularly our own NT children. They need to have friends around

> just as much as we need our peace and quiet. Mutual accommodation

> seems very difficult. "

>

> One thing:

>

> I tend to be willing to make concessions for those who are

different

> than I, but I seldom see reciprocity. I let others have their way,

> sometimes letting them know how much I am being inconvenienced, but

> if I ask for concessions, I seldom receive them. (Er...let me

> quantify more specifically: If I ask for concessions from Aspies, I

> generally get them if what I ask for is reasonable. If I ask for

> concessions from non-Aspies, I seldom get them at all, and am

> usually told that what I am asking for is ridiculous and selfish.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

Yes this is my experience too.

I have been sacrificing my emotional well-being for the sake of that

of NTs, but getting nowhere near the same level of accommodation in

return.

[Guest guest]

>

> " I hate it too when my things are being invaded, this is a common AS

> trait. I like living on my own because I can control where

everything

> is, and the place is quiet. "

>

> I do believe you are right when you say you think this is an AS

> trait. I have a place for everything and everything in its place,

> even if what I have does not look organized to others. And I don't

> like people " tidying up " for me or moving things around, or

> borrowing things without my consent. If they do so, I am completely

> disorganized even if the relocated object is a mere 12 inches away.

>

> " This starts to be a problem though when we live with someone else,

> particularly our own NT children. They need to have friends around

> just as much as we need our peace and quiet. Mutual accommodation

> seems very difficult. "

>

> One thing:

>

> I tend to be willing to make concessions for those who are

different

> than I, but I seldom see reciprocity. I let others have their way,

> sometimes letting them know how much I am being inconvenienced, but

> if I ask for concessions, I seldom receive them. (Er...let me

> quantify more specifically: If I ask for concessions from Aspies, I

> generally get them if what I ask for is reasonable. If I ask for

> concessions from non-Aspies, I seldom get them at all, and am

> usually told that what I am asking for is ridiculous and selfish.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

Yes this is my experience too.

I have been sacrificing my emotional well-being for the sake of that

of NTs, but getting nowhere near the same level of accommodation in

return.