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Shane~I think the point about Les Fehmi's work is being missed here. If you are interested in deeper work, consciousness and awareness then it is worth the commitment to the extra practice. Buddhist monks don't gain deeper awareness and enlightenment by watching more TV and reading extra Time magazines, they acquire it by spending more time committed to deeper meditative practices such as Les Fehmi's recommendations. It's about priorities.~Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Shane <tracyshane@...>Sender: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:09:21 +0100 (BST) < >Reply Subject: Re: ...scoop on Les Fehmi Sue.It's not even clear to me what subject you are referring to. Could you please clarify? I left 'scoop on Les Fehmi' as the subject title for this posting because that seems to be the connection here, even though the topic has wandered away from Les Fehmi himself. By the way, Sue, as best as I can tell, I'm the only one on this site who has personally challenged Dr. Les Fehmi, directly to his face, his relentless insistence that his neurofeedback treatment at his Princeton Biofeedback Centre alone is not enough--that one must listen to his recordings 2 hours/day in order for his Open Focus technique to have serious positive results. That's an important piece of information for NF practitioners interested in Fehmi'sNF technique to know. From: Sue Breazeale <grams@...> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:57 AMSubject: Re: ...scoop on Les Fehmi you could be right, Shane. Please excuse me for addressing my lastemail to you alone. It would be better to address it to the wholegroup and ask that we move on from this subject. Sometimes thisgroup seems to get stuck on topics, as it seems with this one- in myopinion. But as you suggested, I could just not read the emails onthis topic.SueOn 10/27/2011 10:01 PM, Shane wrote: Dear Sue,With all due respect, I'm here to learn fromothers and to convey my own personal experiencesregarding NF. Sites like this chat group allow anexchange of information that one simply can't get byreading a textbook. I'm grateful to those individualswho have posted their comments and have shown interestin my personal experiences. But no one is obligatedto read my (or anyone else's) postings, Sue, so feelfree to skip over mine in the future.However, Sue, I hope you DID take in what I saidabout most BST centers offering free services to USsoldiers who served in a war zone and who are sufferingPTSD. We owe it to our soldiers and their families toinform them of this. Let the soldiers decide forthemselves whether they want to pursue BST or not.Thanks,Shane From: Sue Breazeale<grams@...> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 201111:05 PMSubject: Re: ...scoop on Les Fehmi Shane,as my mother used to say, " enough is enough",o.k.?how about we change the subject?SueOn 10/27/2011 9:01 PM, Shane wrote: Thank you, ,I'll have to ask Pete aboutthat. Pete didn't mention that tome on the phone when I spoke tohim a few months ago. In fact,Pete said he felt I'd be betteroff staying with BST (not just formyself, but for my 3 adultchildren).Shane From: Duncan <karenduncan@...> Sent:Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:57PMSubject: Re: ...scoop on LesFehmi Shane~It has been proven thatBST designs are EXACTLYsome of the old TLCdesigns from years back. If you benefited from theBST training like you saythen the same intensitywith TLC training will doeven more for you sincethe assessment one wouldwork with would be moreinformative, not just theone page (heads page) Leelifted from Pete's TLCassessment after he tookPete's training. ~From: "Shane" <tracyshane@...> ,"mercado 83" <mercado_83@...>Cc: tracyshane@...Sent: Thursday,October 27, 2011 10:44:26PMSubject: ...scoop on Les Fehmi.Good information, . (mercado 83),That'sa good commentyou madebelow. I knowthat VanDeusen hasreservationsabout BrainState Trainingbecause LesGerdes studiedunder . told meover the phonethat Gerdes'methods areidentical toTLC's (pleasecorrect me ifI'm wrong,)--but Iknow frompersonalexperiencethat BST isNOT identicalto TLCtrainingbecause, asyou comment in yourposting, ,BST isabsorbedpassively--itdoes not takeactive mentalconcentration,as doestraditionalNF. It isalso muchquicker thanNF.And to---youyourself,, said tome, "...maybeif you want toget therewithout doingany work forit..." orwords to thateffect. Well,of course Iwant to 'getthere' theeasiestpossible way,, and ofcourse I wantto get thereas quickly aspossible! Sodoeseverybody. People haveother thingsto devotetheir 'work'time to--like'work,' forinstance. That doesn'tmean peopleare lazy,, it justmeans thatthey haveotherimportancethings goingon and theywant to get onwith theirlives.MYPERSONALEXPERIENCEWITH BST:I'vepersonallygone throughBST--8 days,or 16sessions, ofit--in January2011. To befrank, I justplainbenefited fromBST beyond mywildestexpectations. I had givenup all hope ofatransformationin my life,but BSTprovided mewith justthat--atransformation. I now have asense of innercalm andself-confidencethat I'venever knownbefore, muchmore than Iever achievedwithmeditationtechniques. And theresults Iachieved fromBST have beenpermanentbecause onceone achieves ahigher levelofconsciousness,then alldecisions andactions aremade from thislevel and onedeals withlife with morematurity. Even myhusband hasnoticed andhas even madetheunsolicitedcomment that Iseem'different'now--better--morein charge ofmy life--and,believe me, myhusband hasNEVER saidanything likethat to mebefore in the30+ yearswe've knowneach other! And when Isay 'never,' Idon't mean'hardlyever'--I mean'NEVER.' Myhusband'ssurprisecommentreflects whatGerdes saysregarding manywho undergoBST--"...theyjust look somuch morepresent." [theword 'present'in italics].I urgeall NFpractitionersto researchBST further. I have noreason to saythis to you,except thatthe results ofBST are oftenso dramatic,as they werein my case. Perhaps thisis because LesGerdes usedthe brain wavefrequencies oftwo Buddhistmonks to setup his firstmodel, ratherthan themedian ofbrain wavesamples takenthroughout theworld (NF).MYCONVERSATIONWITH HERSHELTOOMIM:I don'tknow if onecan reach ahigher levelofconsciousnessthroughtraditional NFtechniques ornot, but canone reach itthrough NF injust threedays? I spokewith HershelToomim aboutmy experiencewith BST forover an hourone day. Hershel was atrueprofessional,and a goodlistener--herespected whatI told himabout myexperiencewith BST, andhe accepted mywords on facevalue--afterall, I had noreason to lieto him aboutmy experience,and herecognizedthat. Hershelasked me howlong it tookme to achievethe profoundchange Iexperiencedwith BST, andI told him '3days.' Hesaid, "Threedays!" Hershel wasclearlyimpressed, andhe told me hewas going toexplore BSTfurther. Hetold me thathe waspositive thathe couldduplicate theresults ofBST. To mysorrow,Hershel, who Ibelieve was 94years old whenI spoke tohim, passedaway shortlyafter ourconversation. I hopeother NFpractitionerswill pick upHershel'storch and findout how BSTworks andduplicate itso that it canbecome moreavailable tothe public. Iknow thatGerdes didn'tseek to haveBSTcopyrighted(or patented? I forgetwhich) becauseit would betoo easy forothers toduplicate oncehis secret wasout. A BSTpractitionertold me thatGerdes feltthat BST had a'5 yearwindow' beforeothers figuredit out. Hershelhimself was sopositive thathe couldeasily figureit outhimself, butunfortunatelyhe didn't livelong enough topursue it--so,one of you outthere, pleasepick upHershel'storch. BSTworks betterthantraditionalNF--I'm sureof it. Readabout itonline; takethe5-day/10-sessionBST trainingyourself;watch theyoutube videosof theseverelyinvolved childreceiving BSTin AZ; readthetestimonialsof soldierssuffering fromPTSD.RE: LES GERDES:I haveno allegianceto Les Gerdeshimself--infact, I fearhisapparently-harshbusinesspracticesmight 'do BSTin'-- but I doknow that hisBrain StateTrainingworkedextremely wellfor me and forothers, andthat BSTdoesn'trequire dozensor hundreds ofsessions toachievedesiredresults asdoes NF. Andchildren canplay withtheir toys ifthey want to,whileundergoingBST, ratherthan becoerced intofocusing onthe computerscreen In hisbook"LimitlessYou," Gerdesexplains thathe achievedbetter resultsfrom NF forhis PTSD thanhe did withothertreatments,such as drugsorpsychotherapy(he wasattacked andbeaten by agang of kidsin SanFrancisco);but, Gerdessaid, NF justdidn't workfast enough,and he wantedto get on withhis life. THERE'SNOTHING WRONGWITH 'BEING AGOODMARKETER.' VanDeusencomments thatLes Gerdes isa good"marketer,"and I supposePete is rightaboutthat--butGerdes'marketingskills DO NOTin any waydiminish thegenuine valueof BST as atreatment. Marketing wasGerdes's forteto begin with,and he wasgood at it--hewas a majorforce behindmaking Amazon.com the major force that it istoday. Butthat's not anargumentagainst thetrue value ofBST.RE: LENS:Iintend to takefurthersessions ofBST--but I,too, wonderwhether Imight benefitas much ormore fromLENS. Fromwhat I've beentold, LENStends to be ofgreatestbenefit tothose who haveundergonerecent severetrauma, suchas a stroke. I also readsomewhere--Ithink in thebook "ASymphony inthe Brain" byJimRobbins--thatLENS has evenbenefited dogsthat had beenemotionallytraumatized asa result ofHurricaneKatrina andwere leftabandoned. Thesetraumatizeddogs, who hadstartedsnapping atpeople intheir fear,became calmenough to beadoptableagain.Inother words,with LENS, aswith BST, onedoes not haveto be activelyengaged in theprocess inorder tobenefit fromit. You caneven benefitfrom BST ifyou fallasleep. I wastold during myBST sessionsto simply toimagine myselfrelaxing in apleasantsurrounding. I chose topicture myselfon a blanketon a beach inGalveston TX,where I livedfor 2 years. There were acouple ofothervisualizationthings I wasasked tofollow forBST, but thatwas it. Ididn't have toactivelyconcentrate onanything, likemake asubmarinegoing up anddown, or makean airplanefly, on thecomputerscreen infront of me.STUDYBEINGPERFORMED ONBST:I'veconsideredtryingtraditionalNF--which iswhy I'm onthis site, tolearn moreabout it--but,based on whatI've read todate on thissite, plus onLes Gerdes'book"LimitlessYou," plus ontestimonialsfor BST thatI've read, itsounds likeBST is muchfaster thantraditional NFand that it'sthe mostcost-effectiveway to go.Anotherpoint worthmentioning: The U. of Va.is currentlyconducting astudy on BST,with thesupport andcooperation ofthe USMilitary, on350 soldierssuffering fromPTSD. Thereason thatthe militarychose topursue thisstudy is thatthey aredesperate tofind someeffectivemeans to dealwith PTSD oftheirreturningsoldiers, andtestimonialsof soldierswith PTSD whohave undergoneBST have beenimpressive. IMPTFORNEUROFEEDBACKPRACTITIONERSTO KNOW: SOLDIERSSUFFERING FROMPTSD CANRECEIVE BSTFOR FREE:Whichbrings to mindsomething elsethat NFpractitionersneed to know: MOST, IF NOTALL, BRAINSTATE TRAININGCENTERSTHROUGHOUT THEUS, OFFERSOLDIERS WHOSERVED IN AWAR ZONE andwho are nowexperiencingPTSD AS ARESULT, BSTTREATMENT WITHOUTCHARGE. So ifyou know ofany soldierssuffering fromPTSD, whetherit be fromViet Nam orIraq orAfghanistan,please callBrain StateTechnology'sAZ office formore details.Beingfrom amilitaryfamily myself,I care a lotabout oursoldiers--awhole lot. Ifyou know ANYsoldiersuffering fromPTSD as aresult ofserving in awar zone,PLEASE passthisinformation onto the soldieror his family. Professionalresponsibilitycalls for it.I havegreat respectfor all of youNFpractitioners--youdeserve moreattention andrespect thanthe medicalcommunitygives you. Thank you forall you'vedone to helppeople inneed.Yours,ShaneNewHope PA From:mercado_83 <mercado_83@...>Sent:Thursday,October 27,2011 2:19 PMSubject: Re: What's thescoop on LesFehmi I skimmedthrough theBST file Peteuploaded. Fromwhat I cantell, the BSTsoftwareprovidesfeedback inthe form ofsounds thatreflect someaspects of thereal-timeactivity ofthe brain, andthe brain ishypothesizedtoautomaticallycorrect itselfwhilelistening tothe sounds,and the usersits passivelywithoutactivelytrying tochangeanything (p.9-11). To me,that soundscloser to theLENS approachthan the TLCapproach (theTLC approachbeing closerto"traditional"methods ofneurofeedback). Chivers> As forBST...well,I've alreadywritten thatstory severaltimes, and I'm> tired ofit. Of courseit "works" forsome people,and doesn'tfor others.> All NFdoes. But BST,and certainlyMr. Gerdes,are much moreabout> marketingthan aboutbraintraining. Ihave recentlyseen that theyare now> callingwhat they do(drum-roll)>"High-resolution,Relational,Resonance-BasedElectroencephalicMirroring"> or HIRREM(which name,by the way, isTRADEMARKED!!If you putsalt in a> fancycontainer andcall itlow-cal,all-natural,gluten-freeNaCl>flavoring,you'llprobably beable to sellit for doublethe price toat> leastsome of themarket. And nomatter whatyou call it,it still addsa> saltytaste to yourfood, so manypeople willlike it--sameas regularsalt> in asimplepackage.That'smarketing. Andif you can geta few>"celebrities"to swear thatthey won't eata bite withoutit, well,you'll> sell evenmore.> > Anyonewants to readthe 18-page"article"setting thisforth, I'veuploaded> it toin the Filesarea>/files/> Anyonewho isparticularlyinterestedmight wish toglance throughpp13-17,> wherethey explainthe differencebetween HIRREM(sorry, Ican't find theTM> key on mykeyboard) and"regular"neurofeedback.> > Let thebuyer beware,regardless ofwhat he/she isbuying.> > Pete> > "> --> VanDeusen>pvdtlc@...>http://www.brain-trainer.com> USA 305433 3160> BR 473346 6235> TheLearningCurve, Inc.-- Watchfor all thatbeautyreflectingfrom you andsing a lovesong to yourexistence. Rumi♥

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