Re: Kendra's Law

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Earlier I had confused Kendrick with Kendra- There is a person I barely know named Kendrick and that had somehow slipped over a neuron or two in my brain. Here is one of many summaries on the web: http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/Kendra_web/Ksummary.htm New York State recently enacted legislation that provides for assisted outpatient treatment for certain people with mental illness who, in view of their treatment history and present circumstances, are unlikely to survive safely in the community without supervision. This new law is commonly referred to as "Kendra’s Law" and is set forth in Section 9.60 of the Mental Hygiene Law (MHL). It was named after Kendra Webdale, a young woman who died in January, 1999 after being pushed in front of a New York City subway train by a person

who failed to take the medication prescribed for his mental illness. The proponents tend to argue specific cases where people have not taken their prescribed medicines and gone on to harm themselves and others. (Here in New Mexico, I think it's related to a case where a schizophrenic was trying to get his drugs but the insurance co wasn't willing to pay- He wound up killing himself, a couple of cops, and a couple of other people. Big tv news event here awhile back. I didn't pay much attention. Paraphrasing someone who's ideas I hate- News is Bunk!) The opponents argue against the attempt to micromanage. (On general principle, I grieve for those who come to harm, but on general principle I abhor the taking away of freedoms. So I come down slightly against Kendra's.) Oh, another correction of an earlier post of mine. I had thought

since I had not heard anything that Kendra hadn't passed and was old news. All I had heard from "the street" was very anti the bill. I had heard from one person, in social services, who was very pro-bill. She was somewhat religious, if that has anything to do with it. Anyway, the city council here in Albuquerque just met a few days ago and passed it. A google if anyone cares: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=Kendra%27s+Law Heph mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >> >"An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar > that he claimed was his "only friend," according to the suit."Oh, this is just too painfully sad. :(Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and people who will jump in to help. > >Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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Actually that sparks a few memories. I had read about laws like Kendra's law and they exist in other states under a national mental health association campaign. There is a drug Haloperidol that causes the closest thing to parkinson's disease, tardive dyskinesia and cuts 15 years of a person's life on average because it's poison. Certain underprivileged, vitamin and mineral deficient people or people with heavy metal toxicity are hospitalized and given mandatory antipsychotic medications because the establishment labeled them as schizophrenic. The haldol is placed under the skin as a six month steady-release dispenser to keep the patient compliance. The reason they have to keep patient compliance is because the patient feels like total crap while taking it and they can literally feel their bodies getting sicker when taking these drugs that dry up all the dopamine. Remember, America started eugenics before Nazi Germany. Hephaestus Clubfoot

<lemnosforge@...> wrote: Earlier I had confused Kendrick with Kendra- There is a person I barely know named Kendrick and that had somehow slipped over a neuron or two in my brain. Here is one of many summaries on the web: http://www.omh.state.ny.us/omhweb/Kendra_web/Ksummary.htm New York State recently enacted

legislation that provides for assisted outpatient treatment for certain people with mental illness who, in view of their treatment history and present circumstances, are unlikely to survive safely in the community without supervision. This new law is commonly referred to as "Kendra’s Law" and is set forth in Section 9.60 of the Mental Hygiene Law (MHL). It was named after Kendra Webdale, a young woman who died in January, 1999 after being pushed in front of a New York City subway train by a person who failed to take the medication prescribed for his mental illness. The proponents tend to argue specific cases where people have not taken their prescribed medicines and gone on to harm themselves and others. (Here in New Mexico, I think it's related to a case where a schizophrenic was trying to get his drugs but the insurance co wasn't willing to pay- He wound up killing himself, a couple of cops, and

a couple of other people. Big tv news event here awhile back. I didn't pay much attention. Paraphrasing someone who's ideas I hate- News is Bunk!) The opponents argue against the attempt to micromanage. (On general principle, I grieve for those who come to harm, but on general principle I abhor the taking away of freedoms. So I come down slightly against Kendra's.) Oh, another correction of an earlier post of mine. I had thought since I had not heard anything that Kendra hadn't passed and was old news. All I had heard from "the street" was very anti the bill. I had heard from one person, in social services, who was very pro-bill. She was somewhat religious, if that has anything to do with it. Anyway, the city council here in Albuquerque just met a few days ago and passed it. A google if anyone cares: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=Kendra%27s+Law Heph mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01 > wrote: >> >"An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar > that he claimed was his "only friend," according to the suit."Oh, this is just too painfully sad. :(Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and people who will jump in to help. > >Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

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> " There is a drug Haloperidol that causes the closest thing to

parkinson's disease, tardive dyskinesia and cuts 15 years of a person's

life on average because it's poison. Certain underprivileged, vitamin

and mineral deficient people or people with heavy metal toxicity are

hospitalized and given mandatory antipsychotic medications because the

establishment labeled them as schizophrenic. The haldol is placed under

the skin as a six month steady-release dispenser to keep the patient

compliance. The reason they have to keep patient compliance is because

the patient feels like total crap while taking it and they can

literally feel their bodies getting sicker when taking these drugs that

dry up all the dopamine. Remember, America started eugenics before Nazi

Germany. "

I'm reading a sci-fi book written in 1975 in which a woman is

wrongfully admitted to a mental hospital where they are experimenting

on patients. I'm going to do research to see if they were doing that as

late as 1975. I'm sure they were.

Incidentally, the US brought over several doctors from Germany after

WWII, who had been Nazis, to do research for the US, because they were

excellent researchers. (No doubt they were able to learn a lot of what

they knew by experimenting on humans.)

And do we think bioweapon development and testing goes on only in other

countries? A lot of funny stuff went on here in the 50's.

There's this recent incident in which people were part of a drug trial

that went horribly wrong. Mice were used first, then they tried it on

humans. It took place in England--it was said by a commentator on this

incident that the British media is good at finding out things, so I

wonder if this goes on more than we know:

March 15, 2006

Six taken ill after drug trials

(original on BBC)

Six men remain in intensive care after being taken ill during a

clinical drugs trial in north-west London.

The healthy volunteers were testing an anti-inflammatory drug at a

research unit based at Northwick Park Hospital when they suffered a

reaction.

Relatives are with the patients, who suffered multiple organ failure.

Two men are said to be critically ill.

An investigation has begun at the unit, run by Parexel, which said it

followed recommended guidelines in its trial.

The men were being paid to take part in the early stages of a trial for

the drug to treat conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis and leukaemia

until they were taken ill on Monday within hours of taking it.

Eight volunteers were involved, but two were given a placebo at the

unit, which is on Northwick Park Hospital's grounds, but is run

independently.

The hospital's intensive care director Ganesh Suntharalingam said the

patients were admitted very quickly and were receiving " close

monitoring and appropriate treatment " .

A Northwick Park Hospital spokesman said two are in a critical

condition, while the other four are " serious but stable " .

'Exhaustive investigation'

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)

immediately withdrew authorisation for the trial. An international

warning has also gone out, to prevent it being tested abroad.

Its inspectors will visit the research unit and it is in contact with

the local strategic health authority, the Department of Health and

police about the cases.

Chief executive officer Professor Kent Woods said: " Our immediate

priority has been to ensure that no further patients are harmed. "

" We will now undertake an exhaustive investigation to determine the

cause and ensure all appropriate actions are taken. "

It had approved the trial and the drug had already been tested on

animals and in a laboratory. Volunteers are paid up to £150 a day to

take part in clinical trials, though the fee can vary depending on the

amount of discomfort involved.

Parexel, which was running the trial, said it had followed guidelines

and such cases were extremely rare.

Professor Herman Scholtz, from Parexel, said the clinical research

organisation had followed regulatory, medical and clinical research

guidelines during the study.

He said: " When the adverse drug reaction occurred, the Parexel clinical

pharmacology medical team responded swiftly to stop the study

procedures immediately. "

He added: " Such an adverse drug reaction occurs extremely rarely and

this is an unfortunate and unusual situation.

" Since our unit is located within the hospital, we have immediate

access to world-class medical care and we did everything possible to

get the patients treated as quickly as possible. "

And here's something that happened in 1993, here an excerpt from an

article written in 2001:

Eight years ago this summer, he and six other participants in a

clinical trial at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) became sick.

Extremely sick. Within days researchers realized that an experimental

drug the volunteers had been taking for hepatitis B had killed more

than that virus.

In fact, it had poisoned and begun destroying major organs throughout

their bodies. By July 30, four people were dead. Another was dying.

Patient #10 was poised perilously near that edge, with a transplanted

liver that no one was sure would save his life. His kidneys were

failing and a ventilator was forcing air continually into his lungs.

Feeding tubes snaked down his nose into his stomach. He was comatose.

Doctors had little understanding why.

Never before has he talked publicly about his experience in the

clinical trial for the drug fialuridine, which became an unprecedented

catastrophe for NIH.

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The US and England did bring over some Nazis, but more scientists than doctors. There were people like Von Braun who helped with the space program and others. The Russians were doing the same, though most of the Germans preferred the West to the Communists.

The reason for this was very simple. Germany had shown itself to be technically very advanced and ahead of the Allies in many areas. Well before the war ended, the US and England knew they couldn't trust Stalin and that war with the Russians was very likely. Therefore, we tried to scoop up as many of the scientists as we could before the Russians could get them and the invaluable information and skill they possessed.

Even so, most of the really nasty Nazis like the death camp people, ended up in Argentina, Brazil and some Middle Eastern countries. Eichmann, Mengela and others would have been turned over for trial no matter what, which is why they hid in South America. I'm sure a few less than pleasant types made it through Operation Paperclip too though.

The people that really got off easy were the Japanese. They had their own units, like Unit 731 which was the biological warfare research unit, that did terrible things. 731 even used our POWs as live test subjects including vivisection. They were largely unpunished, however, because of the increasing tensions with the Russians. Basically, we were trying to win over the Japanese before the Russians did, or before the Russians invaded Japan, which was a very real threat in 1946 since there were many Russian divisions on some Japanese Islands already and poised to invade from the mainland.

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In a message dated 9/21/2006 8:09:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

Other scary things went on as well. The 50's were not the innocent time Leave it To Beaver protrayed. (Well, we knew that, right?) Actually it will scare you a lot to read about it.

There were scary things going on then. Unfortunately, the scary things that happened here were mild compared to other Really Scary Things that were going on. It is true that some experiments were carried out on people without their knowledge in the US and that other experiments like releasing minor pathogens to track their spread was done.

This was done for a good reason. In the 1950's, the threat of nuclear war was very real. In order to learn how to treat radiation injuries, test subjects were needed. I would have preferred condemned criminals, but instead they tried using mental patients. If there had been a nuclear war or even a relatively minor exchange, that knowledge would have be valuable.

On the other hand, we were doing limited research into bioweapons. Once the treaties banning it were signed, that research was curtailed to defensive uses. By that I mean small batches were made to see what could be done with the germs by the enemy and no large scale manufacturing facilities were left. Human testing, usually on conscientious objector volunteers (yes, they actually volunteered for this duty), was also stopped.

The Russians did not follow these treaties. They had several secret cities dedicated to germ warfare that remained in full swing up through the collapse of communism. They created some really horrible stuff, including it is said by people who once worked in the system, new forms of small pox that was far more virulent than its already lethal, natural form. They also had large stocks of other very deadly germs ready to be loaded onto weapons. Indeed, if there had been a nuclear war, the Russian plan was to have the second wave of missiles carry biological weapons to kill survivors through the epidemics they would unleash.

As for Lyme Disease having been released from that facility, I think that is about as likely as the Chupacabra having been released from an army base in Puerto Rico.

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> " Heph: The movie The Marathon Man includes fictional references to

it. (Huge list of mega-stars including Hoffman, Lawrence

Olivier....). "

I've learned that 'fictional' movies often are a way to get truths

across to the public. One example is 'Law and Order' where they

portray true cases but protect themselves by saying they're fictional.

" If you google on search terms like " Project paperclip " and nixon,

eisenhower, nazi scientists,... you will see a lot of interesting

hits. "

Yes! Google Traub as well. Supposedly there is evidence that

Lyme, Connecticut, a bioweapons lab, is responsible for unleasing

Lyme Disease on the world. The number of cases is grossly

underreported and people who have many other health problems actually

have Lyme Disease. Traub worked with ticks at that lab.

Other scary things went on as well. The 50's were not the innocent

time Leave it To Beaver protrayed. (Well, we knew that, right?)

Actually it will scare you a lot to read about it.

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> " There were scary things going on then. Unfortunately, the scary

things that

> happened here were mild compared to other Really Scary Things that

were going

> on. "

Well, I am not comparing nations and pointing a finger at who was

doing the scariest things. If I die from a Russian manufactured

pathogen or an American manufactured one I still die. It's just that

I live here, in America, so I am slightly more concerned about

pathogens being released by airplane, into the air, into people,

vaccines, etc., especially when everyone is pointing the finger at

everyone else and thinking no way would that happen here and going

blindly about their business, not knowledgeable and therefore not

able to protect themselves. I realize you will stand up for the U.S.

no matter what, that is your first priority, your first thought, but

surely the idea of German scientists being brought over here after

WWII, is just the slightest bit scary to you? You should look up

Project Paperclip as Heph suggests.

" It is true that some experiments were carried out on people without

their

> knowledge in the US and that other experiments like releasing

minor

> pathogens to track their spread was done. "

So you do know about this?

>

> " I would have preferred condemned criminals, but instead they

> tried using mental patients. "

Oh, you can be sure they used criminals as well.

>

> " By that I mean small batches were made to see what could be done

with the

> germs by the enemy and no large scale manufacturing facilities

were left.

> Human testing, usually on conscientious objector volunteers (yes,

they actually

> volunteered for this duty), was also stopped. "

Well, little buggies do have a propensity to multiply rapidly, don't

they now? Sure am glad they stopped, or who knows where we'd be now.

> " As for Lyme Disease having been released from that facility, I

think that is

> about as likely as the Chupacabra having been released from an army

base in

> Puerto Rico. "

Oh, not just regular Borrelia burgdorferi, that's been around, but a

much more virulent strain, one that has been tampered with. Have you

researched the subject? What do you know about it?

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I'll have to look up Traub as well. I just saw a show last night about Dog the bounty hunter. He's the one who hunted down Luster, the man who raped and brutalized 86 women after he drugged them with GHB. The federali and the feds in America seized him and his coworkers 3 years after the fact. See, Dog went to Mexico and did it. That's a sentence of somewhere around 2 weeks in prison not in Dog's favor. The most outrageous, overboard thing was the fact that American Marshalls dragged him and his team out of their beds and not doing it peacefully. The whole thing is either a publicity stunt or I'm thinking it's an abuse of power which sounds more likely the case. Anyway, who wouldn't hunt down the grandson of MaxFactor makeup tycoon, the guy who raped 86 women? mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >>"Heph: The movie The Marathon Man includes fictional references to it. (Huge list of mega-stars including Hoffman, Lawrence Olivier....)."I've learned that 'fictional' movies often are a way to get truths across to the public. One example is 'Law and Order' where they portray true cases but protect themselves by saying they're fictional."If you google on search terms like "Project paperclip" and nixon, eisenhower, nazi scientists,... you will

see a lot of interesting hits."Yes! Google Traub as well. Supposedly there is evidence that Lyme, Connecticut, a bioweapons lab, is responsible for unleasing Lyme Disease on the world. The number of cases is grossly underreported and people who have many other health problems actually have Lyme Disease. Traub worked with ticks at that lab.Other scary things went on as well. The 50's were not the innocent time Leave it To Beaver protrayed. (Well, we knew that, right?) Actually it will scare you a lot to read about it.

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In a message dated 9/21/2006 10:02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

I realize you will stand up for the U.S. no matter what, that is your first priority, your first thought, but surely the idea of German scientists being brought over here after WWII, is just the slightest bit scary to you? You should look up Project Paperclip as Heph suggests.

Not really. Many of them weren't Nazis. Von Braum only worked with the Nazis because that was the only way he could get funding for his research and work toward his ultimate goal: sending a man to the moon.

"So you do know about this?"

Yes. I've seen programs about this and read about it. A few times they released harmless agents and tracked how they spread through cities. This has even been done since 9/11. The pathgens were things like the common cold or flu. However, it was realized that planned releases weren't necessary because of the recurring incidents of this naturally several times per year.

The test subjects I mentioned were tested under laboratory conditions. They were kept in laboraty rooms where they had round the clock medical care and observation. The agent was either injected or they used a special, sealed system to expose them to airborne agents. In all cases, they were not allowed out until their systems were clear. This happened in the 1950s and some of these men are still alive today, or they were a few years ago when a few programs made mention of these tests.

"Oh, not just regular Borrelia burgdorferi, that's been around, but a much more virulent strain, one that has been tampered with. Have you researched the subject? What do you know about it?"

Diseases evolve. That's why they are watching Bird Flu so closely. It shows signs of evolving into an easily transmissible human version which would be a major problem. This is what happened with the 1918 flu pandemic. A common bug developed into a virulent strain that killed millions around the world. As diseases find themselves in new hosts, they adapt so that they spread more easily in that species. That's what they do. It is how they reproduce and survive. Now and then they get too good at it and kill their host though. Ebola is a horrible thing, but it is hard to transmit and kills very quickly, making it hard to spread. However, if either of those conditions change, then it will become a real threat. So just because a known disease is doing something new, doesn't mean it was manufactured. More likely it is just an organism doing what it has always done: evolve to suit new conditions and new hosts.

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In a message dated 9/21/2006 11:26:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes:

The whole thing is either a publicity stunt or I'm thinking it's an abuse of power which sounds more likely the case. Anyway, who wouldn't hunt down the grandson of MaxFactor makeup tycoon, the guy who raped 86 women?

I think Luster used his millions to get these charges brought against Dog. Corruption is terrible in Mexico, it was years ago when there were some Mexican students at my school and they talked about the troubles their fathers, big business owners, had. If Luster still had access to his money, he could easily have arranged this through his lawyers.

Personally though, as reluctant as Mexico is to deal with the immigration issue and other matters, I would refuse to send them Dog and would instead have marshals protecting him.