Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Me too Tom, although not severe until junior high school, that was pure hell, by senior high I stopped talking to people. Beth - Co-administratorenvironmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: This article could have been about me. Similar things happened to me when I was a kid.TomAdministratorhttp://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/115871731377900.xml & coll=1CUMBERLAND VALLEY SCHOOLS Parents of autistic boy sue districtWednesday, September 20, 2006BY ELLEN LYONOf The Patriot-News A Hampden Twp. couple allege in a federal lawsuit against the Cumberland Valley School District that their son, who has a high functioning form of autism, was repeatedly bullied and harassed by students and teachers from 1998 to earlier this year. "His educational history at the defendant district is a tragic and tortured account of gross negligence, deliberate indifference and unsympathetic discrimination by students and school personnel alike," and Bloschichak claim in a U.S. Middle District Court lawsuit. The abuse and discrimination "exacerbated" their son's Asperger's syndrome and caused him to regress, the suit states. The Bloschichaks seek unspecified monetary and punitive damages for "economic, psychological, emotional and physical injuries." The suit also names Beverly , the district's director of special education; Sandy Baughman, the boy's fifth-grade teacher; June Seiler, his fourth-grade teacher; Kim Duke, his third-grade teacher; and Kathleen Luft, former principal of Shaull Elementary, where the boy attended. Superintendent said yesterday she can't comment on litigation, and the employees named in the suit are not allowed to comment. "Any time we have a student with any particular special need, we ensure that the staff who are working with that student has the appropriate training," said. Luft, now supervisor of elementary curriculum in the Mechanicsburg School District, could not be reached yesterday afternoon. The boy, who is identified only by his initials in the lawsuit because he is a minor, was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome in 1998 and also found to be "mentally gifted." The lawsuit describes him as "a strikingly handsome young man, talented with a brilliant mind, particularly in the area of math." The suit says the boy, now 14, was subjected "to a pervasively hostile environment of bullying by non-disabled students and abusive staff" since first grade. Students taunted and humiliated him, ransacked his backpack, took his school supplies, stole his lunch box, covered the back of his head with spit and filled the hood of his jacket with spit balls and paper, according to the suit. Because some of his peers threatened to break into his house at night and steal things from his room, he slept with the lights on for a year, the suit states. To escape the abuse, he hid under his desk in the classroom and spent an "inordinate amount of time in the bathroom," the suit states. His teachers were unfamiliar with Asperger's, punished him for behavior associated with the disorder and sometimes physically restrained him, the suit states. An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar that he claimed was his "only friend," according to the suit. Asperger's is characterized by impairment in communication skills as well as repetitive or restrictive patterns of thought and behavior, according to a National Institutes of Health Web site. In 2000 his parents paid a psychiatrist to conduct training at Shaull Elementary, where he attended from 1998 to 2003, explaining Asperger's syndrome, the suit says. "Despite this training that the defendant district should have provided, the lack of understanding and knowledge of Asperger's continued throughout the remainder of the year," the suit alleges. Bloschichak said he talked to his son's principal, the district superintendent and several school board members to no avail. "There were no other schools that would provide him with what he needed. Cumberland Valley had the resources but wouldn't use them," he said. The Bloschichaks are asking the court to uphold a 2004 decision by the Special Education Appeals Review Panel that found the district discriminated against their son and failed to provide him with "a free appropriate education" as required by law. The decision awarded the Bloschichaks 180 days of compensatory education and ordered the district to develop an autistic support program and educate school personnel about autism. The district appealed the order, and the appeals panel reduced the compensatory education award to 450 hours, according to the lawsuit. ELLEN LYON: 255-8167 or elyonpatriot-news How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 >> > " An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar > that he claimed was his " only friend, " according to the suit. " Oh, this is just too painfully sad. Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and people who will jump in to help. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Aspies did get the short shrift in school. I was more or less left alone before I went to military school, though I'm sure being in private school had a lot to do with that. At military school I was in band company and since all of us caught grief from the other companies, we tended to band together more. By my second year I had rank so no one could mess with me anyway. Had I been in public school, things probably would have been as bad as these other stories, especially since the public schools in this town are not only the worst in the state, but very brutal as well. If the athletes and popular kids were bullied half as bad as they dish out, there would be a national campaign against bullying even more vociferous than the antismoking campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 What can I do? I have this thought- Make up some flyers and carry around with me everywhere I go, and when I see someone who is possibly in a similar situation, hand it out to them? An opportune situation might not happen for a month, or years- but it seems possible enough and important enough to happen sometime. Something perhaps a little light-toned. A quick list of major typical symptoms, and then a list of some of the more prominent/important community forums on the internet? (I think of this somewhat as peer-group counseling by the way. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. I think in that sense it's been pretty effective so far.) It seems like trying to teach the teachers is a kind of self-enabling learned helplessness- if that makes any sense. Just daydreaming I suppose. Heph mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >> >"An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar > that he claimed was his "only friend," according to the suit."Oh, this is just too painfully sad. :(Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and people who will jump in to help. > >Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 In a message dated 9/20/2006 10:33:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: One thing I'm glad about having gone through the pain of being bullied--I can have empathy for children who are being bullied, and I can help them. And that's a good thing. And I'm glad for it. There was a little bullying at school, but most of it actually came when I was at home. The neighbor kids who had been friends for years turned on me and took up with a drug dealer kid up the street. When I was home, I could barely go outside during the daytime without them seeing me and coming after me. They even came around the house at times and would taunt me trying to get me outside. They would even steal or break my things and a few times attacked my dogs draw me out. Those were bad years. Of course, even though there were some witnesses to this, the parent's never did anything about it. Unfortunately, my mother thought their mother was her good friend, so she would only tell me to try to get along with them and all that. However, that woman was no more a friend to her than her kids were to me. So, going away to school was actually a relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I hate to say it, , but far too often this is EXACTLY how Asplings are treated and no matter how loudly the parents of Asplings do battle with those who mistreat our children in this way, this sort of abuse continues. Even the medical professionals have a tendency (or a penchant depending on who you may be dealing with in this respect) for disregarding the uniqueness of Asplings and Aspies in favour of their hard-headed misguided approaches to 'fixing' the AS and his or her 'weird' ways. Friends and people who will jump in? There are far too few and most of them don't want to upset the apple cart in case they suffer backlash for daring to go against the 'authorities.' Raven > >> > > " An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar > > that he claimed was his " only friend, " according to the suit. " > > Oh, this is just too painfully sad. > > Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and > people who will jump in to help. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I know this is how it is. I myself was always being bullied by someone from childhood through adulthood almost without stop, by adults and children both. Middle school/junior high was especially painful. Now it's my boss. I try and understand why people do it and can't. The closest I can come up with is that people feel that that could be them, because many people are afraid of being different and cast out from the group and so when they see someone who is different they see themselves and so they want to destroy it. And there's mob mind--the crowd becomes a beast and everyone goes along with it. Jealousy as well and jealousy is an ugly murderous thing that takes over people. The fact that we have social problems combined with high intelligence is a huge target on our backs, so to speak. What I blame people for is their inabilty to rise above their base feelings. Compassion and patience and self control should override these bad feelings. The fact that the teachers were part of this abuse is digusting. Kids kill themselves over this kind of abuse. Where is the adult's and especially teacher's natural feelings of wanting to shelter and help children? I'll never forget my first grade teacher, Mrs. Sabin, who split her class into groups by ability and then lovingly gave each group the attention they needed. Yes, they should pay teachers much much more, but then there's my high school physics teacher who was an awesome amazing teacher and person, and who turned down many high-paying, high-power physics jobs because he loved being a teacher. Then there's my 7th grade Art teacher who was free spirited, unconventional and creative and gave us so many ways to learn and be different and express ourselves. I had a lot of good teachers. Where are these people anymore? Bunch of losers these days. But surely when some read this boy's story they will be moved to compassion. What about parents whose fear is that this could be their child being treated this way? People need to know that even though Aspies appear aloof, most are wanting very much to have friends and belong. I think it's very off- putting to non-Aspies who have no point of reference for the behavior of Aspies and interpret it as stuck-up, uncaring, mean. > > >> > > > " An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a > caterpillar > > > that he claimed was his " only friend, " according to the suit. " > > > > Oh, this is just too painfully sad. > > > > Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends > and > > people who will jump in to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 One thing I'm glad about having gone through the pain of being bullied--I can have empathy for children who are being bullied, and I can help them. And that's a good thing. And I'm glad for it. > > Aspies did get the short shrift in school. I was more or less left alone > before I went to military school, though I'm sure being in private school had a > lot to do with that. At military school I was in band company and since all of > us caught grief from the other companies, we tended to band together more. > By my second year I had rank so no one could mess with me anyway. > > Had I been in public school, things probably would have been as bad as these > other stories, especially since the public schools in this town are not only > the worst in the state, but very brutal as well. > > If the athletes and popular kids were bullied half as bad as they dish out, > there would be a national campaign against bullying even more vociferous than > the antismoking campaign. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 I've got the Family Forum which is designed to educate parents about things like this. Mostly the parents just ignore me and dope their AS kids up on meds to turn them into robots, but I try. Tom Administrator >> > " An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a caterpillar that he claimed was his " only friend, " according to the suit. " Oh, this is just too painfully sad. Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends and people who will jump in to help. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 The first thing they told use in teacher training classes was that if we were in it for the money, we should get out now. I doubt there is a teacher alive who believes s/he's going to get rich teaching, and if they believe it, they are incredibly naive. Tom Administrator Yes, they should pay teachers much much more, but then there's my high school physics teacher who was an awesome amazing teacher and person, and who turned down many high-paying, high-power physics jobs because he loved being a teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Our erstwhile moderator Debbie (for those of you who do not know, she died of cancer while trying to get back custody of her kids from the UK authorities who said her Aspies ought to be institutionalized and medicated permanently) had a TV story air nationwide in the UK about the authorities mistreating their AS children and the result was rocks thrown through their window, cranks calls, and anonymous letters saying that people were going to stalk their kids and kill them because of Debbie's " slandering " of the Bristish government. Some people don't care and never will. Debbie knew this, and that is why she hid her cancer from the authorities until she got custody back. She was afraid that the authorities would use the illness to prevent her and her husband from getting custody. When she got custody back, she went to seek treatment...and died, because it was too late. Even with a solicitor, progress to get custody back was slow because the government deliberately threw up red tape for no other reason than to spite her, as far as the lawyer could see. This is the society we are living in these days. Tom Administrator But surely when some read this boy's story they will be moved to compassion. What about parents whose fear is that this could be their child being treated this way? People need to know that even though Aspies appear aloof, most are wanting very much to have friends and belong. I think it's very off- putting to non-Aspies who have no point of reference for the behavior of Aspies and interpret it as stuck-up, uncaring, mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 wrote: " But surely when some read this boy's story they will be moved to compassion. What about parents whose fear is that this could be their child being treated this way? " I will give you an example of what happens, . There was a parent posting in the Family Forum about her Aspling. She posted in Family as well as in other non-FAM forums about the situation. The other message boards commiserated with her on her misfortune in having an Aspling for a child and then went on to support enthusiatically the doping of her child to make the child quiet and compliant. On these message boards, the parent was all smiles and chuckles at having received 'permission' from other parents to dope the child up to the nines rather than understand what was causing the child such distress. She did not return to the one message board that provided her with REAL information on how to deal well with her Aspling. In subsequent posts to the other message boards, she referred to people with AS as being clueless perfectionist egocentric maniacs who used cruelty to motivate others. She referred to Aspies with such glowing references as " these types of people " and " those people. " When you can't even get compassion from the parent, what's an Aspling to look forward to in the long run? Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 " Friends and people who will jump in? There are far too few and most of them don't want to upset the apple cart in case they suffer backlash for daring to go against the 'authorities.' " Tell me about it :-( Often in the past I was very appalled by the treatment of my son and others at one particular school, but often when I told others they just did not seem concerned; occasionally people would say 'oh that is awful' and words to that affect, but that is all. I challenged the school about their behaviours and I also knew it was happening to other children; in this instance children being locked in a small inadequate room, of course the school denied it, but there was too much evidence to my thinking pointing to the fact it was happening. I mentioned the name of the other child, whom my son had informed me had been locked in the room and the reply from the person at the school I was dealing with was 'his mother said we could throw away the key for all she cares' What! Well that response is very revealing (along with some other things I noted) why say that if children weren't being locked in a room. I was appalled by this response to - did a parent really say that? It was unfortunate that no-one seemed to really care what was going on at that school, but it did make me extremely happy when the school closed down :-) I am agaisnt school closures generally, but in this instance I am glad it was. > > I hate to say it, , but far too often this is EXACTLY how > Asplings are treated and no matter how loudly the parents of > Asplings do battle with those who mistreat our children in this way, > this sort of abuse continues. > > Even the medical professionals have a tendency (or a penchant > depending on who you may be dealing with in this respect) for > disregarding the uniqueness of Asplings and Aspies in favour of > their hard-headed misguided approaches to 'fixing' the AS and his or > her 'weird' ways. > > Friends and people who will jump in? There are far too few and most > of them don't want to upset the apple cart in case they suffer > backlash for daring to go against the 'authorities.' > > Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 This kind of stuff is scary and very sad :-( makes me feel very fortunate not to have been dx'd as a child, also there was little information around at the time about the autistic spectrum. I was just labbelled weird instead. For a parent to say the things she has though, I really feel for her child - to be put down at such a young age - whatever happened to love, nuturing? I often hear that parents that recieve a dx of autism for their child grieve - which has always confused me. A friend explained that many parents do because they had hopes and dreams for their child and feel that now such have been dashed. I didn't really have hopes and dreams for my son, other than he be happy. I have always accepted him for who he is and he is a wonderful child. It makes me realise viewing some parents and hearing such things that not all parents do accept their children :-( Instead they have some 'ideal' of what their child should be and if said child does not fit the criteria they're basically in for a rough time :-( " But surely when some read this boy's story they will > be moved to compassion. What about parents whose fear is that this > could be their child being treated this way? " > > I will give you an example of what happens, . There was a > parent posting in the Family Forum about her Aspling. She posted in > Family as well as in other non-FAM forums about the situation. The > other message boards commiserated with her on her misfortune in > having an Aspling for a child and then went on to support > enthusiatically the doping of her child to make the child quiet and > compliant. > > On these message boards, the parent was all smiles and chuckles at > having received 'permission' from other parents to dope the child up > to the nines rather than understand what was causing the child such > distress. She did not return to the one message board that provided > her with REAL information on how to deal well with her Aspling. > > In subsequent posts to the other message boards, she referred to > people with AS as being clueless perfectionist egocentric maniacs > who used cruelty to motivate others. She referred to Aspies with > such glowing references as " these types of people " and " those > people. " > > When you can't even get compassion from the parent, what's an > Aspling to look forward to in the long run? > > Raven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi everyone I'm a, I think this is the 1st time I'm posting (shy even online...). In the UK is the same, at the moment there's a campaign going on by the NAS called 'make schools make sense' - well I came to the point that I felt I had no option but to take my son out of school last Feb! But I couldn't find the energy to sue anyone... http://aspiehomeeducation.blogspot.com Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi a, welcome to the group. I am from West Yorkshire myself, my son (12) has HFA and is in a special school, though I do know other parents that have pulled their children out of school due to most schools being frankly inept. I will check out your link. > > Hi everyone > I'm a, I think this is the 1st time I'm posting (shy even online...). In the UK is the same, at the moment there's a campaign going on by the NAS called 'make schools make sense' - well I came to the point that I felt I had no option but to take my son out of school last Feb! But I couldn't find the energy to sue anyone... > http://aspiehomeeducation.blogspot.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 > > " So, going away to school was actually a relief. " > Actually, it was that way for me, too. I thought kindergarten was paradise. Getting away from a bad home life and having my own life was good for me. Overall, I loved school but there has been a chain of pain. The first bully I encountered was the school nurse in 2nd grade who picked me out of all the kids to persecute, and the kind of thing she would never let adults see, but really nasty. Oh did she traumatize me. Such irony from then on--the first time I felt confidence at something I could do, gossip spread that I was a show- off and everyone avoided me, and so on and so on up till now where my female boss has issues and attacks and drives off anyone who is not docile and chubby. When I was very sick with systemic Candida and had a tapeworm and got down to a size 4 she attacked me the most. She's a size 10 and smokes and is healthy as a horse. Oh the irony of my life. I'm sure other Aspies have experienced similar irony? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Tom wrote: " Mostly the parents just ignore me and dope their AS kids up on meds to turn them into robots, but I try. " " Our erstwhile moderator Debbie (for those of you who do not know, she died of cancer while trying to get back custody of her kids from the UK authorities who said her Aspies ought to be institutionalized and medicated permanently) " Raven wrote: " I will give you an example of what happens, . There was a parent posting in the Family Forum about her Aspling. She posted in Family as well as in other non-FAM forums about the situation. The other message boards commiserated with her on her misfortune in having an Aspling for a child and then went on to support enthusiatically the doping of her child to make the child quiet and compliant. " This doping thing angers me so much, I don't have words. <Moment of silence> People in general will often rather dope themselves than fix their problems (see Vioxx issue--many people ignore it and continue to take Vioxx and others like it), but to dope a child whose body can't handle these drugs as well as adults and who don't even have a chance to grow and experience life undrugged just because they're not 'normal' and the parents can't deal with that, is ... <don't have words>. I have always been digusted at parents, especially women, who get pregnant expecting this perfect little blonde, blue-eyed popular athletic healthy, etc. etc. child. Anything can happen and the child can have any personality and attributes. The parents are responsible for nurturing and loving and training the child and keeping them safe and warm. They need to be prepared to do that come what may, or don't have children. Okay, there is adoption, and people who will adopt a special needs child and be good to them, but this expectation of their own little perfect ny/Jane needs to stop. And is usually women who have these issues? Why do I always hear about mothers ,and have talked to one mother myself, who have these negative feelings about their Aspergers children? I do know one mother of an Asperger child who has done the opposite and has spoiled and babied her son and that's not good either. > >> > > " An aide restrained him once to remove from his pocket a > caterpillar that he claimed was his " only friend, " according to the > suit. " > > Oh, this is just too painfully sad. > > Hopefully, now that it has been brought out there will be friends > and people who will jump in to help. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 > > > > " I challenged the school about their behaviours and I also knew it was > happening to other children; in this instance children being locked > in a small inadequate room, of course the school denied it, but there > was too much evidence to my thinking pointing to the fact it was > happening. I mentioned the name of the other child, whom my son had > informed me had been locked in the room and the reply from the person > at the school I was dealing with was 'his mother said we could throw > away the key for all she cares' What! Well that response is very > revealing (along with some other things I noted) why say that if > children weren't being locked in a room. I was appalled by this > response to - did a parent really say that? " Wow. Unbelievable. Though why should I be surprised? When my sister was a teacher for autistic kids she said they were being abused by their parents. Physically, sexually, verbally. One child she thought her loose mother was pimping out for money. 7th grader. Others would send their kids to school sick because they didn't want to have to deal with them at home--ship them off to school, get them out of here. No natural affection. The feelings parents should naturally have for their own children. They're worse than animals who do naturally care for their offspring. Even crocodiles for cripes sake. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi, a! Hopefully you will feel comfortable enough to post here. > > Hi everyone > I'm a, I think this is the 1st time I'm posting (shy even online...). In the UK is the same, at the moment there's a campaign going on by the NAS called 'make schools make sense' - well I came to the point that I felt I had no option but to take my son out of school last Feb! But I couldn't find the energy to sue anyone... > http://aspiehomeeducation.blogspot.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 wrote: " ... <snip> ... I often hear that parents that recieve a dx of autism for their child grieve - which has always confused me. A friend explained that many parents do because they had hopes and dreams for their child and feel that now such have been dashed ... <snip> ... " Across the years that my child has been alive, I have to endure medical professionals accuse me of being in denial BECAUSE I don't grieve over the fact that my child is the child he is ... diagnoses and all. In fact, I had one many years ago who, upon telling me in hospital that my child in fact also had OCD (along with AS and an alphabet soup list of disorders), let me know that he had contacted a psychiatrist in the hospital to come see me about my 'denial' problem. I told this doctor that denial isn't when you accept what cannot be changed. Denial isn't when you accept clues as to how your child processes information and reacts to information and then roll with that. Denial is when you say to the doctor, " Oh nooooooo! Not MY child! Whatever will I do? " THAT's denial. Yes, it would appear that because I didn't wail and moan and gnash my teeth over his 'revelation' about my child, I was allegedly in denial. Sometimes I wonder about these people with all those fancy initials behind their names .... Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 wrote: " ... <snip> ... And is usually women who have these issues? Why do I always hear about mothers ,and have talked to one mother myself, who have these negative feelings about their Aspergers children? I do know one mother of an Asperger child who has done the opposite and has spoiled and babied her son and that's not good either. " What I've seen happen is that the fathers tend to detach themselves from the situation (in order to cope with the disappointment) and the mothers tend to search for others with whom to commiserate (in order to validate the fact that they are not to blame). It's a different approach to dealing with the same situation when the situation is perceived as being negative. Parents who do NOT perceive the diagnosis as negative remain attached to their children and involved in their development. As in any parenting situation, the parent must find the fine line between being overly indulgent and being overly punitive. When the parent(s) can walk that fine line, children (AS and non-AS) have a good balance in life as provided by the parent(s). Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I have read this woman's posts to other message boards. When she calls Aspies such names, keep in mind that since her children are AS, she is calling THEM those names. Many parents have quit the FF over the yegars voicing this woman's exact view about their own AS kids in no uncertain terms. Tom Administrator " But surely when some read this boy's story they will be moved to compassion. What about parents whose fear is that this could be their child being treated this way? " Raven responded: " In subsequent posts to the other message boards, she referred to people with AS as being clueless perfectionist egocentric maniacs who used cruelty to motivate others. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Hi a, Welcome to the group. Post as you please. We are always happy to have new people on board. Tom Administrator Hi everyone I'm a, I think this is the 1st time I'm posting (shy even online...). In the UK is the same, at the moment there's a campaign going on by the NAS called 'make schools make sense' - well I came to the point that I felt I had no option but to take my son out of school last Feb! But I couldn't find the energy to sue anyone... http://aspiehomeeducation.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Men have them too. They tend to join the FF less, but I have known two who had severe problems with their AS kids. One quit in a huff when the things we suggested for him was " Too much work " and the other just recently quit saying that Aspie kids are VERY hard to deal with. This from a guy who has supposedly been diagnosed Aspie. The one fellow that I have praise for and who cared for his Aspie duaghtwer deeply just died of cancer, and his daughter is not motherless and fatherless. A sad story indeed. I believe moms have more negative feelings than men simply because moms tend to have a more active role in child rearing and thus intertwine their personal failures with their child's AS oddities and thus resent the child. Dads have less of a bond, so they can enjoy the child the way s/he is. Tom Administrator " And is usually women who have these issues? Why do I always hear about mothers ,and have talked to one mother myself, who have these negative feelings about their Aspergers children? I do know one mother of an Asperger child who has done the opposite and has spoiled and babied her son and that's not good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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