Re: Brain Science Institute

[Guest guest]

It's probably not a generally accepted procedure to use a Q to diagnose someone.  And doing a Q to decide to do SMR training, which is one of the oldest and most basic training protocols, for nearly a year...well, one wonders what exactly the Q showed.  Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for trainers to do a Q and then train whatever they know how to do.

If someone " has " PTSD and RAD, I would expect to see lots of very fast activity in the temporal lobes, perhaps a very hot right side, possible alpha distortions, etc.  It sounds like you've trained none of these, assuming your trainer recognized any of them in the Q.  Certainly training for a year is pretty long for any client short of a traumatic brain injury, autistic spectrum or something that completely compromises the brain's ability to organize itself.

You might want to get a second opinion with the FIRST Q before you spend more money getting a second one.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM, onemom22boys <onemom22boys@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Can someone tell me how accurate are the analyses from this company that show

predicted IQ, predicted neuropsychological scores, traumatic brain injury

analysis, learning disability probability, and so forth?

Is this only in an experimental stage?

http://www.brainsinternational.com/index.php/services

My dd has been having nfb for a year next month. She had been showing

improvement, but now she is slipping back into old behaviors. According to the

first QEEG done a year ago, she has PTSD and RAD. After around 70 sessions of

C4-SMR training (I think that is what the therapist called it), she is just not

showing further progress.

The therapist has decided she needs a 2nd QEEG to compare with the results of

the 1st QEEG to help determine where to go from here and to see how her brain

has changed.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The therapist has tried to do temporal training, but each time she does, dd goes

really loopy. The first time she did temporal training, dd darted out into

traffic and was just in a daze for a few days. The last time, the loopiness was

not as severe, but it was still there. BTW, dd is nearly 16 years old, so you

would expect her to be mindful of traffic.

Before nfb, dd was having rages that lasted for hours. She'd bang her head

against the wall, claw the blood out of herself, and just have really horrible

behaviors and attitude.

She is calmer now, more focused, and able to sit and do her school work.

Several months ago we were able to discontinue the 1000 mg of Depakote and 64

mgs. of Vyvanse dd was on. However, she has stopped making progress over the

past month.

Her behaviors are slipping here at home. We're seeing an increase in sneaky,

manipulative, lying behaviors, and more acting out and anger. The therapist

says she is not calming in the office like she did prior to the beginning of

June.

Dd also had low amplitude across the board in every area. Tomorrow I will pull

out the original QEEG and take a look at it. I cannot remember everything that

was in the original report.

>

> It's probably not a generally accepted procedure to use a Q to diagnose

> someone. And doing a Q to decide to do SMR training, which is one of the

> oldest and most basic training protocols, for nearly a year...well, one

> wonders what exactly the Q showed. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for

> trainers to do a Q and then train whatever they know how to do.

>

> If someone " has " PTSD and RAD, I would expect to see lots of very fast

> activity in the temporal lobes, perhaps a very hot right side, possible

> alpha distortions, etc. It sounds like you've trained none of these,

> assuming your trainer recognized any of them in the Q. Certainly training

> for a year is pretty long for any client short of a traumatic brain injury,

> autistic spectrum or something that completely compromises the brain's

> ability to organize itself.

>

> You might want to get a second opinion with the FIRST Q before you spend

> more money getting a second one.

>

> Pete

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> USA 678 224 5895

> BR 47 3346 6235

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are lots of types of temporal training.  Was it one-channel bipolar, two-channel monopolar?  Training what frequencies?  Those are issues much more related to the client's reactions than just the sites.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895

BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, onemom22boys <onemom22boys@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

The therapist has tried to do temporal training, but each time she does, dd goes really loopy. The first time she did temporal training, dd darted out into traffic and was just in a daze for a few days. The last time, the loopiness was not as severe, but it was still there. BTW, dd is nearly 16 years old, so you would expect her to be mindful of traffic.

Before nfb, dd was having rages that lasted for hours. She'd bang her head against the wall, claw the blood out of herself, and just have really horrible behaviors and attitude.

She is calmer now, more focused, and able to sit and do her school work. Several months ago we were able to discontinue the 1000 mg of Depakote and 64 mgs. of Vyvanse dd was on. However, she has stopped making progress over the past month.

Her behaviors are slipping here at home. We're seeing an increase in sneaky, manipulative, lying behaviors, and more acting out and anger. The therapist says she is not calming in the office like she did prior to the beginning of June.

Dd also had low amplitude across the board in every area. Tomorrow I will pull out the original QEEG and take a look at it. I cannot remember everything that was in the original report.

>

> It's probably not a generally accepted procedure to use a Q to diagnose

> someone. And doing a Q to decide to do SMR training, which is one of the

> oldest and most basic training protocols, for nearly a year...well, one

> wonders what exactly the Q showed. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for

> trainers to do a Q and then train whatever they know how to do.

>

> If someone " has " PTSD and RAD, I would expect to see lots of very fast

> activity in the temporal lobes, perhaps a very hot right side, possible

> alpha distortions, etc. It sounds like you've trained none of these,

> assuming your trainer recognized any of them in the Q. Certainly training

> for a year is pretty long for any client short of a traumatic brain injury,

> autistic spectrum or something that completely compromises the brain's

> ability to organize itself.

>

> You might want to get a second opinion with the FIRST Q before you spend

> more money getting a second one.

>

> Pete

> --

> Van Deusen

> pvdtlc@...

> http://www.brain-trainer.com

> USA 678 224 5895

> BR 47 3346 6235

> The Learning Curve, Inc.

>

>

>