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I have one client in particular who experiences anxiety for upwards of 24 hours if overtraining. LevineOn Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, MICHAEL <mpsych44m@...> wrote:

 

Dear Pete and Listmates,

My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition, e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc.  We've had about 10 sessions so far.  We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins. per site, twice per week.  I've been doing fine, buy my wife started experiencing irritability and headaches briefly.  So I reduced her sessions to 5 mins. each site, once a week.  After a couple of sessions on this new schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that scared her.  She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was much younger when her life was not going well at all.  This appears to be a sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg?  What do you make of such a reaction with Heg? 

How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature?  Reduce the  time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further  Heg?

I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

Mike

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Mike,No, I haven't run into this before, but I have a few questions:What exactly are the 3 sites you are training (with your wife)?Have you tried using the TLC graph design?  If so, what does her graph look like?  Overtraining is in the brain of the beholder.  I've seen a few clients who couldn't train (in the beginning) more than 3 minutes before they began to show drops in their graphs.

What training design are you using?Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

USA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:07 AM, MICHAEL <mpsych44m@...> wrote:

 

Dear Pete and Listmates,

My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition, e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc.  We've had about 10 sessions so far.  We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins. per site, twice per week.  I've been doing fine, buy my wife started experiencing irritability and headaches briefly.  So I reduced her sessions to 5 mins. each site, once a week.  After a couple of sessions on this new schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that scared her.  She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was much younger when her life was not going well at all.  This appears to be a sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg?  What do you make of such a reaction with Heg? 

How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature?  Reduce the  time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further  Heg?

I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

Mike

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If I do more than a couple of minutes on each site (usually the graph is going

down by then) I have a hard time being able to " think " at all for at least 24

hours or so. I'm way more spacey than usual. I have to be careful with it.

Todd

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> > **

> >

> >

> > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> >

> > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition,

> > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about 10

> > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites

> > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins.

> > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her sessions

> > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this new

> > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up

> > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half

> > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that

> > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to be a

> > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> >

> > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > of such a reaction with Heg?

> >

> > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce the

> > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> >

> > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

>

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Todd,

I've never actually had it happen with nIR feedback, but I've always thought it

would be possible and have been careful about it. The reason I say that is that

I have had some clients who start out with nIR readings extremely high. They are

usually people with very high anxiety who are never able to let go. From my

observations, it's obvious there is a way to raise nIR readings high in a

dysfunctional, high anxiety way. I haven't encountered that with pIR HEG.

If the readings are extremely high, let them go down. Then keep doing the

relaxation things you've done while you raise it slowly again. The hands should

not get more moist or cold while you are doing HEG. If they do, you are raising

the readings in non-productive ways which will create an anxiety state.

Dan (began using nIR clinically in 1997)

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> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > >

> > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition,

> > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about 10

> > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites

> > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins.

> > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this new

> > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up

> > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one

half

> > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that

> > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to be

a

> > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > >

> > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > >

> > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce the

> > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > >

> > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Thanks.

Could you clarify what " extremely high " means?

I purchased one of those finger temperature deals and couldn't believe how low

my temperature was compared to what it said it should be. I haven't worked on it

much because I have so many other things I've been working on.

Maybe I should become some sort of " stress coach " , as I think I've tried just

about everything (and own the equipment)except EMG. I'd like to try that (my

shoulders are in a state of constant tension), but it's too expensive for me at

this point.

I also notice that it's easy for me to become " tense " while trying to raise the

HEG, as you describe. I try really hard to do it without becoming a stiff board.

A person here in town who does neurofeedback told me that a lot of ADDers use

tension as a way to pay attention and I definitely think I fit that description.

When I'm talking sometimes I actually grab my should with my hand. I think it's

a way to try to stay focused, but when I step back I think it's weird.

You know what they say about teaching and doing...ha ha

Thanks

Todd

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> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > >

> > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about

10

> > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate

sites

> > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6

mins.

> > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this

new

> > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke

up

> > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one

half

> > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability

that

> > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to

be a

> > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > >

> > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > >

> > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce

the

> > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dan,

What do you do to be careful about it? How do you let the readings " go down " .

Do you mean engage in relaxation techniques?

Thanks.

Mike

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > >

> > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about

10

> > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate

sites

> > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6

mins.

> > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this

new

> > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke

up

> > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one

half

> > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability

that

> > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to

be a

> > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > >

> > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > >

> > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce

the

> > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Pete, I'm using the standard sites of Fp1, Fp2 and Fpz, and rotating the

sequence of the sites each session.

I have not been using the TLC graph design, but rather 's 30 nIR training

design. I haven't graphed the session results yet because I have yet to

purchase the MS Office 2010 upgrade to the Starter MS Office 2010 that came with

my new computer.

Regarding those clients who couldn't train for 3 minutes in the beginning, did

you reduce the training time? When you do reduce the training time, how do you

know when to increase it?

Thanks, Pete and to the rest of you listmates who have responded to this thread.

Mike

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> > **

> >

> >

> > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> >

> > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition,

> > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about 10

> > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites

> > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins.

> > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her sessions

> > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this new

> > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up

> > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half

> > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that

> > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to be a

> > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> >

> > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > of such a reaction with Heg?

> >

> > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce the

> > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> >

> > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

>

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Consider the possibility, for someone who just wrote that he has music running in his head all the time and rumination pretty constantly, that what you experience as " not being able to think " may be a POSITIVE change.  HEG is about single-pointed focus.  About " not thinking and not trying " but just paying intense attention and maintaining it--even to a rather " boring " target--over a longer and longer period.  All the music and rumination is inside your head, and it makes it difficult to stay connected to the external world.

I can go through hours without " thinking " and perform just fine on many tasks.  I pay attention to what I am doing rather than thinking about it (or something else).Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM, topper1969 <topper@...> wrote:

 

If I do more than a couple of minutes on each site (usually the graph is going down by then) I have a hard time being able to " think " at all for at least 24 hours or so. I'm way more spacey than usual. I have to be careful with it.

Todd

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> >

> > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition,

> > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about 10

> > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites

> > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins.

> > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her sessions

> > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this new

> > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up

> > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half

> > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that

> > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to be a

> > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> >

> > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > of such a reaction with Heg?

> >

> > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce the

> > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> >

> > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

>

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Consider the possibility, for someone who just wrote that he has music running in his head all the time and rumination pretty constantly, that what you experience as " not being able to think " may be a POSITIVE change.  HEG is about single-pointed focus.  About " not thinking and not trying " but just paying intense attention and maintaining it--even to a rather " boring " target--over a longer and longer period.  All the music and rumination is inside your head, and it makes it difficult to stay connected to the external world.

I can go through hours without " thinking " and perform just fine on many tasks.  I pay attention to what I am doing rather than thinking about it (or something else).Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:00 PM, topper1969 <topper@...> wrote:

 

If I do more than a couple of minutes on each site (usually the graph is going down by then) I have a hard time being able to " think " at all for at least 24 hours or so. I'm way more spacey than usual. I have to be careful with it.

Todd

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> >

> > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our cognition,

> > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about 10

> > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate sites

> > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6 mins.

> > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her sessions

> > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this new

> > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke up

> > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one half

> > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability that

> > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to be a

> > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can occur

> > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> >

> > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > of such a reaction with Heg?

> >

> > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce the

> > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> >

> > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

>

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Mike,

When I'd talk to Herschel about the subset of clients I saw with extremely high

readings, he'd tell me to just have them train their HEG down. I never did. I'd

tell them just to observe and be aware. Those clients almost always had a sudden

huge drop after a short period of training. Then they'd slowly come back up

part way.

It taught me that there is a non-productive way to get very high HEG readings.

By being careful, I mean I always monitored for signs of physiological

over-arousal. You want the HEG readings to come up while the body stays still

and quiet and the hands get/stay warm and dry. If there's over arousal, the

hands will get cold or moist (most usually moist in this instance).

Dan

> > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > > >

> > > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had

about 10

> > > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate

sites

> > > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6

mins.

> > > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this

new

> > > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke

up

> > > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one

half

> > > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability

that

> > > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she

was

> > > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to

be a

> > > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can

occur

> > > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you

make

> > > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > > >

> > > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce

the

> > > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > > >

> > > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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That's a really good point. I'll have to try to observe what it is that I

" think " is an adverse reaction.

I'm usually really slow to come up with names of people (if at all) and

sometimes really have to work to come up with a word I'll looking for while

speaking. And also the disorientation while driving, walking around in stores,

etc.

I had thought that overdoing it was making that worse. But I'll try to notice

more closely next time.

Thanks

Todd

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > >

> > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

> > cognition,

> > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had about

> > 10

> > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate

> > sites

> > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6

> > mins.

> > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

> > sessions

> > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on this

> > new

> > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then woke

> > up

> > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and one

> > half

> > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability

> > that

> > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she was

> > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears to

> > be a

> > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can

> > occur

> > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > >

> > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you make

> > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > >

> > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature? Reduce

> > the

> > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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So by just being aware and observing, they'd unlearn the non-productive way of

raising their readings? Would you be giving them some verbal feedback as to what

they were doing. And also, how would you know they were not training correctly?

By monitoring their arousal level?

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> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had

about 10

> > > > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and rotate

sites

> > > > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to 6

mins.

> > > > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife started

> > > > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on

this new

> > > > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then

woke up

> > > > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and

one half

> > > > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and irritability

that

> > > > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since she

was

> > > > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This appears

to be a

> > > > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can

occur

> > > > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do you

make

> > > > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature?

Reduce the

> > > > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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If I see a drop let's say while training the first site, should I not proceed to

the second and third sites so as not to over train?

Thanks

Mike

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>

> Mike,

>

> With the Itallis HEG design there is a trend graph of the entire session. You

can see during a session if the trainee has a drop in the HEG signal.

>

> Rah

> Itallis

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>

> From: mpsych44m@...

> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:33:36 +0000

> Subject: Re: nIR Heg and adverse reactions

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I train all the sites but cut them short if the signal drops and doesn't rise again. I also leave time in between sites for the level to stabilize, and re-establish the resting level since there's usually a rise at other sites during training as well.If there isn't a noticeable drop I still don't go past 7 minutes on a site - 8 if it's someone I know tolerates training well and wants to finish a video, song or game.Rah From: mpsych44m@...Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:57:16 +0000Subject: Re: nIR Heg and adverse reactions

If I see a drop let's say while training the first site, should I not proceed to the second and third sites so as not to over train?

Thanks

Mike

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Mike,

This subset of clients start out with extremely high readings which then drop to

something more usual. I say " observe " vs. " train up " because otherwise they feel

they have done something wrong when the drop happens. An even larger subset of

clients have chaotic and elevated EEG readings with a similar drop happenning no

matter how they train. The high nIR HEG clients are included in the later

subset, but usually with an abundance of high beta and gamma.

Dan

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> > > > > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

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> > > > > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've had

about 10

> > > > > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and

rotate sites

> > > > > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up to

6 mins.

> > > > > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife

started

> > > > > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced her

sessions

> > > > > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions on

this new

> > > > > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and then

woke up

> > > > > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one and

one half

> > > > > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and

irritability that

> > > > > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since

she was

> > > > > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This

appears to be a

> > > > > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what can

occur

> > > > > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do

you make

> > > > > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature?

Reduce the

> > > > > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mike

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Thank you, Dan for your explantion. I haven't seen this phenomenon yet but will

know how to hanle it when I do.

Mike

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pete and Listmates,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My wife and I who are in our 60's are doing Heg to enhance our

cognition,

> > > > > > > > e.g. attention, concentration, memory, alertness, etc. We've

had about 10

> > > > > > > > sessions so far. We are doing the standard sites for nIR and

rotate sites

> > > > > > > > each session. We started out at 4 mins. per site and worked up

to 6 mins.

> > > > > > > > per site, twice per week. I've been doing fine, buy my wife

started

> > > > > > > > experiencing irritability and headaches briefly. So I reduced

her sessions

> > > > > > > > to 5 mins. each site, once a week. After a couple of sessions

on this new

> > > > > > > > schedule, she experienced irritablity for the entire day and

then woke up

> > > > > > > > in the middle of the night without going back to sleep for one

and one half

> > > > > > > > hours, preoccupied with a strong since of hostility and

irritability that

> > > > > > > > scared her. She has not experienced this level of emotion since

she was

> > > > > > > > much younger when her life was not going well at all. This

appears to be a

> > > > > > > > sort of abreation that I haven't heard of with Heg unlike what

can occur

> > > > > > > > with EEG ( alpha/Theta.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has any one else experienced such a reaction with Heg? What do

you make

> > > > > > > > of such a reaction with Heg?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How can I guard against any further reactions of this nature?

Reduce the

> > > > > > > > time and frequency of sessions further? Forego further Heg?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I appreciate any reponses and opinions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mike

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DanI am relatively new to the field of nIR HEG, but I have noticed a tendency for the reading to start high and then drop precipitously before stabilising and starting to rise again. I have always regarded this as artefactual and just the system 'settling in' for the first 20 seconds or so. Would you agree with this or does this represents a 'real' effect?

Adam.

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