Re: nIR HEG Positions

[Guest guest]

> HEG doesn't necessarily change activation

> patterns, as EEG can do. It can change activation capability.

Hi Pete,

Can you please expound on this? Do you notice training EEG is not as efficacious

if HEG is not used prior to the EEG session? If so, do you alternate between HEG

then EEG?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,When you begin a program of aerobic exercise, the support in terms of blood supply to your heart and lungs improves so that, in situations where you need to activate your cardiovascular system and sustain that level of activation over a longer time, the system is capable of responding and recharging more quickly.  But that doesn't mean you HAVE TO run around all the time.  Just that you have the capacity to do so.

Changing the perfusion levels in your prefrontal cortex by increasing capillarization makes it possible for the brain to get more blood (O2 and glucose) out to the neurons more quickly and effectively--it doesn't REQUIRE it to do so.  When the PFC needs to activate, the better the network for blood supply, the better it is able to get the raw materials of metabolism and take out the trash.

I had a physician in one of my courses recently who explained to us that the body has a huge amount more places to send blood than it has blood.  Not every capillary is filled all the time.  I think of it like a beach town building more streets and better traffic flow to deal with the heavy traffic during summer weekends.  When the cars aren't there, the streets may be empty, but when they DO come, the traffic is able to get around without bottlenecks.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, neurosynchrony <neurosynchrony@...> wrote:

> HEG doesn't necessarily change activation

> patterns, as EEG can do. It can change activation capability.

Can you please expound on this? Do you notice training EEG is not as efficacious if HEG is not used prior to the EEG session? If so, do you alternate between HEG then EEG?

[Guest guest]

Pete,I just tried to do a session and there was a red sign that said no port.  Everything else looks fine but it wont let us start the session with the red no port signal. What can I do?Thanks,

Lori Altman404-819-5209On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

Niels,With all due respect to Hershel--and that's a lot!--I think it's worth remembering that the PFC is not like an ice-cube tray with a bunch of little compartments.  When I train nIR, I move the sensors to 3 sites--one far left, one far right and on central.  I usually use the central valley of the forehead rather that the anterior frontal sites, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference.

What I have found is that most everyone does pretty well raising the ratio at the first site--regardless of which of the 3 I use.  They then have a harder time at the second and very difficult time at the third.  From that I infer that improving perfusion in one small area probably raises it throughout the structure, at least collaterally.  I rotate the order of the sites, so I may start on the right one time, on the left the next session and in the middle for the third.  HEG doesn't necessarily change activation patterns, as EEG can do.  It can change activation capability.

I recognize that there are trainers who complicate it, but I just do a very simple session, pretty much the same with everyone, and it works very well.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Niels Schnepel <schniels@...> wrote:

 

 

Listmates,

 

which postions do you choose for nIR Heg training with ADD Clients ? I remember that Hershel uses Af8 as primary target and switches over to FP2 FP2. Someone has told me that he does a baseline on fp1 and fp2 and then trains the " weaker " position of this.

 

Regards from Germany

 

Niels

[Guest guest]

Lori,If the dongle is plugged in and blinking, RIGHT-click on the place in the black status bar where it says EEG Pendant on COM and choose Properties.  In the window that opens, click the arrow for the drop-down menu for COM port and choose the last option on the list.

Make sure the Baud rate is 38400, Parity is None, Byte size is 8 and Stop Bits are 1 (nobody should be messing with these).If you still have trouble, email me back-channel.Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Lori Altman <lka5009@...> wrote:

 

Pete,I just tried to do a session and there was a red sign that said no port.  Everything else looks fine but it wont let us start the session with the red no port signal. What can I do?Thanks,

Lori Altman404-819-5209On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

Niels,With all due respect to Hershel--and that's a lot!--I think it's worth remembering that the PFC is not like an ice-cube tray with a bunch of little compartments.  When I train nIR, I move the sensors to 3 sites--one far left, one far right and on central.  I usually use the central valley of the forehead rather that the anterior frontal sites, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference.

What I have found is that most everyone does pretty well raising the ratio at the first site--regardless of which of the 3 I use.  They then have a harder time at the second and very difficult time at the third.  From that I infer that improving perfusion in one small area probably raises it throughout the structure, at least collaterally.  I rotate the order of the sites, so I may start on the right one time, on the left the next session and in the middle for the third.  HEG doesn't necessarily change activation patterns, as EEG can do.  It can change activation capability.

I recognize that there are trainers who complicate it, but I just do a very simple session, pretty much the same with everyone, and it works very well.Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Niels Schnepel <schniels@...> wrote:

 

 

Listmates,

 

which postions do you choose for nIR Heg training with ADD Clients ? I remember that Hershel uses Af8 as primary target and switches over to FP2 FP2. Someone has told me that he does a baseline on fp1 and fp2 and then trains the " weaker " position of this.

 

Regards from Germany

 

Niels

[Guest guest]

Lori,If the dongle is plugged in and blinking, RIGHT-click on the place in the black status bar where it says EEG Pendant on COM and choose Properties.  In the window that opens, click the arrow for the drop-down menu for COM port and choose the last option on the list.

Make sure the Baud rate is 38400, Parity is None, Byte size is 8 and Stop Bits are 1 (nobody should be messing with these).If you still have trouble, email me back-channel.Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Lori Altman <lka5009@...> wrote:

 

Pete,I just tried to do a session and there was a red sign that said no port.  Everything else looks fine but it wont let us start the session with the red no port signal. What can I do?Thanks,

Lori Altman404-819-5209On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

Niels,With all due respect to Hershel--and that's a lot!--I think it's worth remembering that the PFC is not like an ice-cube tray with a bunch of little compartments.  When I train nIR, I move the sensors to 3 sites--one far left, one far right and on central.  I usually use the central valley of the forehead rather that the anterior frontal sites, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference.

What I have found is that most everyone does pretty well raising the ratio at the first site--regardless of which of the 3 I use.  They then have a harder time at the second and very difficult time at the third.  From that I infer that improving perfusion in one small area probably raises it throughout the structure, at least collaterally.  I rotate the order of the sites, so I may start on the right one time, on the left the next session and in the middle for the third.  HEG doesn't necessarily change activation patterns, as EEG can do.  It can change activation capability.

I recognize that there are trainers who complicate it, but I just do a very simple session, pretty much the same with everyone, and it works very well.Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Niels Schnepel <schniels@...> wrote:

 

 

Listmates,

 

which postions do you choose for nIR Heg training with ADD Clients ? I remember that Hershel uses Af8 as primary target and switches over to FP2 FP2. Someone has told me that he does a baseline on fp1 and fp2 and then trains the " weaker " position of this.

 

Regards from Germany

 

Niels

[Guest guest]

Thanks!LoriOn Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:33 AM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

Lori,If the dongle is plugged in and blinking, RIGHT-click on the place in the black status bar where it says EEG Pendant on COM and choose Properties.  In the window that opens, click the arrow for the drop-down menu for COM port and choose the last option on the list.

Make sure the Baud rate is 38400, Parity is None, Byte size is 8 and Stop Bits are 1 (nobody should be messing with these).If you still have trouble, email me back-channel.Pete

-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160

BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Lori Altman <lka5009@...> wrote:

 

Pete,I just tried to do a session and there was a red sign that said no port.  Everything else looks fine but it wont let us start the session with the red no port signal. What can I do?Thanks,

Lori Altman404-819-5209On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

Niels,With all due respect to Hershel--and that's a lot!--I think it's worth remembering that the PFC is not like an ice-cube tray with a bunch of little compartments.  When I train nIR, I move the sensors to 3 sites--one far left, one far right and on central.  I usually use the central valley of the forehead rather that the anterior frontal sites, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference.

What I have found is that most everyone does pretty well raising the ratio at the first site--regardless of which of the 3 I use.  They then have a harder time at the second and very difficult time at the third.  From that I infer that improving perfusion in one small area probably raises it throughout the structure, at least collaterally.  I rotate the order of the sites, so I may start on the right one time, on the left the next session and in the middle for the third.  HEG doesn't necessarily change activation patterns, as EEG can do.  It can change activation capability.

I recognize that there are trainers who complicate it, but I just do a very simple session, pretty much the same with everyone, and it works very well.Pete-- Van Deusen

pvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Niels Schnepel <schniels@...> wrote:

 

 

Listmates,

 

which postions do you choose for nIR Heg training with ADD Clients ? I remember that Hershel uses Af8 as primary target and switches over to FP2 FP2. Someone has told me that he does a baseline on fp1 and fp2 and then trains the " weaker " position of this.

 

Regards from Germany

 

Niels