Re: gregorian chant

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Re:

> I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as well

> as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home so

> wondering what the musical likes are

From this corner: Celtic, folk, and filk.

Kate Gladstone\

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" I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as well

as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home so

wondering what the musical likes are. "

In order of preference:

1) Carribbean: Soca, Soca Monarch, Rapso, Ragga, Zouk, Road March,

Chutney, Calypso from Trinidad and Tobago.

2) Steel Drum (of the sort you hear during Carnival in Trinidad &

Tobago with 100 or more instruments and 100 to 300 musicians.)

3) Crossover Tunes from Barbados.

4) African Rhumba

5) Classical: Copeland, Vivaldi, Strauss (all of them) Bach and some

Mozart being my favorites (in that order.) Also a little know piece by

Carl Orff called " Street Scene. " Baroque Brass, and Gregorian Chant.

6) Certain movie soundtracks (Star Wars, Indiana , Gladiator.)

7) Celtic/Irish folks music.

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I am open to all styles of music. I believe that one either likes a

certain style or does not understand it. I do not believe that anyone

hates a musical style.

That being said, I do not understand gangsta rap or hard core country.

Raven

>

> I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as

well

> as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home

so

> wondering what the musical likes are

>

[Guest guest]

.... I do not believe that anyone

> hates a musical style.

>

> That being said, I do not understand gangsta rap or hard core

country.

I don't recognise rap as music.

It's talk.

Even when its content is aggressive or sick, I always find it sounds

patronising + like talking to an infant!

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RE Types of music liked- Eclectic- For about 7 years I did late-night radio shows on a university radio station (KCSB 91.9 FM). I played many different kinds of very weird music/songs. The programmer who had been at the station since it started in 30 years earlier said she always found listening to my show interesting because she never knew what to expect! (I know- it sounds like a back-handed compliment- but really a lot of people whose tastes I respected thought pretty highly of it.) So in general I like a wide variety of music. I tire very quickly of the same kinds of popular music played over and over again on the radio. (People often think I'm shy when they first meet me- lack of eye contact, tend to speak quietly and so forth. Yet I find I am often doing things - like radio shows - that others who

are pretty normal are to shy for! Basically, I often don't care aboutwhat others think of me in situations where most NTs care a lot. A somewhat zennish kind of questionfor some perhaps, and I want to note that ordinarily I avoidthe phrase "theory of mind" because I think the idea has someserious limitations- but here goes- Can you be shy if you don'thave a theory of mind- an ability to imagine how others are perceivingyou? Saw a paper somewhere- don't recall- that shyness among autistic spectrum persons is more complicated than they thought...) Clear words- (e.g. Leonard Cohen.) When I listen to music with lyrics I strongly prefer the words to be clear and understandable. Although I'm largely a child of the 60's (which as so many people say really happened in the early to mid 70s) I never particularly liked most rock n

roll because of the music half-drowning out the words. That is no doubt related to my not liking loud bars either- I can't understand what anyone is saying, though others expect me to. Boredoms- There are a few exceptions to this, for example the Japanese band The Boredoms. (Some consider them a Japanese noise band- but it's really extremely carefully crafted- amazingly so- and so not noise at all- It can appear that way at first though.) They sing mostly in Japanese so I'm not really trying to process the words with the verbal portions of my brain. There has been some research about Japanese... something about they use what are considered in westerners to be non-verbal portions of their brains, musical portions of their brains, when they are listening to their own language. Don't recall details. When I listen to the Boredomsit is as if I'm listening

with a different partof my brain than usual. You kind of have to allowyour brain to relax and follow the sounds. Mozart- Back in the 80s for six months or so I listened to a classical music station first thing coming home fromwork for 45 mintues or so. (Put a dark rag across my eyes and lie on a couch...) Whenever I heard somethingI particularly liked I would wait for the announcementat the end of the piece and write it down. Because therewere very few pieces I found worth remembering about I rarely listened to the announcements/advertisements leadingup to the playing of the music. At the end of six monthssomething like 16 of 19 pieces of music turned out to all be Mozart during his early and early-middle years. I have asked musicians, and some of those who also workedat the classical music radio station I was at for awhile(I was hired when they were in the process

of being sold)... what made that Mozart music different- I've heard variousthings- but one aspect I seem to recall is the notes arefairly distinct from each other- something like that- I could be wrong. Here I'm reminded of Ben & Jerry's icecream-They developed it by using the preferences of one of themwho had unusual tastes because of constant colds- Early onthey put in lots of texture and strong flavors (compared to other icecream makers). I think there might be an analogy to why.. but then on the other hand my maternaluncle was a child musical prodigy on the piano- who knows? ... Hungarian Rhapsodies by Franz Liszt. Moroccan... The Middle Eastern Studies department at the UniversityI was attending/haning-at for some awful number of years isone of the best in the world- they even got some big grants fromMiddle Eastern

governments. (One grant enabled them to take a fairly large number of their musicians touring through there.) When they played at Lotte Lehmann Hall I learned that the M.E. music I liked the best was actually Moroccan music, orNW African. I lot of people think they're listening to Arabic or other music when they're actually listening to andliking Moroccan music. Industrial-techno I also like ~some~ so-called "industrial-techno" music. It's very good for studying to, or playing computer games... (By the way- Oneof the things I learned about music during all those years asa radio programmer is there are a lot of fuzzy boundaries betweenmost genres.) Celtic music too! e.g. Loreena McKennitt http://www.worldmusiccentral.org/artists/artist_page.php?id=1424 Heph Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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" Can you be shy if you don't have a theory of mind- an ability to

imagine how others are perceiving you? Saw a paper somewhere- don't

recall- that shyness among autistic spectrum persons is more

complicated than they thought...) "

I am not really sure what shyness is, actually. I have always

thought it meant a fear of social interaction. Let me look it up...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shy

Okay. The following are the pertanent definitions:

shy 1 (sh)

adj. shi·er (shr) or shy·er, shi·est (shst) or shy·est

1. Easily startled; timid.

2.

a. Drawing back from contact or familiarity with others; retiring or

reserved.

b. Marked by reserve or diffidence: a shy glance.

I think shyness IS more complicated than this for autistics.

SOMEtimes I am afraid to interact with people due to fear of a bad

interactions, SOMEtimes I cannot stand the sensory overload, but

MOST times I simply do not care to interact just because it is not

interesting or in my interest to do so.

If I am shy, in other words, it is unintentional in the first case

because I CAN assertain what others may be thinking, and so theory

of mind applies. In the latter two cases I am intentionally shy

regardless of whether or not I can assertain what others are

thinking.

To answer your main question, if you are having a coincidental

reaction to someone else and you do not have theory of mind, then

you are not being shy, I don't think.

Tom

Administrator

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>

>

> Celtic music too!

> e.g. Loreena McKennitt

>

Have to agree with you about the eclectic music

I drive a cab at nights and play a lot of loreena mckennit.....as well

as a lot of enigma,,my customers love it, and they always ask " who is

that? "

thanks for your post i could relate to it very much

DEb from down under

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You forgot to mention 'C is for cookie' by the cookie monster :-)

>

> " I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as

well

> as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home

so

> wondering what the musical likes are. "

>

> In order of preference:

>

> 1) Carribbean: Soca, Soca Monarch, Rapso, Ragga, Zouk, Road March,

> Chutney, Calypso from Trinidad and Tobago.

>

> 2) Steel Drum (of the sort you hear during Carnival in Trinidad &

> Tobago with 100 or more instruments and 100 to 300 musicians.)

>

> 3) Crossover Tunes from Barbados.

>

> 4) African Rhumba

>

> 5) Classical: Copeland, Vivaldi, Strauss (all of them) Bach and

some

> Mozart being my favorites (in that order.) Also a little know piece

by

> Carl Orff called " Street Scene. " Baroque Brass, and Gregorian

Chant.

>

> 6) Certain movie soundtracks (Star Wars, Indiana , Gladiator.)

>

> 7) Celtic/Irish folks music.

>

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You forgot to mention 'C is for cookie' by the cookie monster :-)

>

> " I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as

well

> as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home

so

> wondering what the musical likes are. "

>

> In order of preference:

>

> 1) Carribbean: Soca, Soca Monarch, Rapso, Ragga, Zouk, Road March,

> Chutney, Calypso from Trinidad and Tobago.

>

> 2) Steel Drum (of the sort you hear during Carnival in Trinidad &

> Tobago with 100 or more instruments and 100 to 300 musicians.)

>

> 3) Crossover Tunes from Barbados.

>

> 4) African Rhumba

>

> 5) Classical: Copeland, Vivaldi, Strauss (all of them) Bach and

some

> Mozart being my favorites (in that order.) Also a little know piece

by

> Carl Orff called " Street Scene. " Baroque Brass, and Gregorian

Chant.

>

> 6) Certain movie soundtracks (Star Wars, Indiana , Gladiator.)

>

> 7) Celtic/Irish folks music.

>

[Guest guest]

Definitely one of my favorites.

Tom

Administrator

Re: gregorian chant

You forgot to mention 'C is for cookie' by the cookie monster :-)

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I wrote you an email about two instrumental songs that I wanted you to hear. Did you ever get a chance to review them? If not that's okay. I just wondered if you'd received them or not that's all. ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: I am open to all styles of music. I believe that one either likes a certain style or does not understand it. I do not believe that anyone hates a musical style.That being said, I do not understand gangsta rap or hard core country.Raven>> I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as well > as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home so > wondering what the musical likes are>

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I wrote you an email about two instrumental songs that I wanted you to hear. Did you ever get a chance to review them? If not that's okay. I just wondered if you'd received them or not that's all. ravenmagic2003 <ravenmagic2003@...> wrote: I am open to all styles of music. I believe that one either likes a certain style or does not understand it. I do not believe that anyone hates a musical style.That being said, I do not understand gangsta rap or hard core country.Raven>> I have stated I am jewish but I happen to like gregorian chant as well > as traditional nomadic arab music. I am getting made fun of at home so > wondering what the musical likes are>

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Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made to

feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

with/feel " part of " ...

Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,

what working solutions have you found?

Kate Gladstone

[Guest guest]

Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made to

feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

with/feel " part of " ...

Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,

what working solutions have you found?

Kate Gladstone

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Dear Kate,

I have had trouble with music over the years. I enjoy it when I enjoy it . .

..but I don't know

when that will be. I liked church music, classical and and cowboy music as a

child.

As a teen I tolerated music as I was trying to fit in and didn't know that there

was another

way.

Now, at 54 I really do not like most music. When I am in the mood for music I

prefer

classical or Christian Hymns and some Christian Lite Rock. But usually I prefer

silence.

When I go to church or friend's weddings, Bar Mitphah's, etc I simply " make "

myself go

through it if I elect to go. Over the years I have excused myself from many

social events,

including weddings, etc and my good friends and relatives understand - if they

didn't I

knew they weren't really my friend.

I have a hard time riding in a car with rock music on - so I try not to ride in

freind's cars.

Last spring, two of my friends had to be in and out of various hospitals - with

other

people driving us when I helped out, so I made myself ignore it, reminding

myself that the

health emergencies of my friend's took precedent over my discomfort with the

music.

So - I guess, as I write about this - I have ordered my life as well as possible

so as not to

have to put up with extraneous music. I choose the events or life priorities,

where music I

dislike is present, carefully and ask myself what is more important - my

comfrort or the

event that I am participating in with my friends.

Good luck with that.

Deborah

>

> Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made to

> feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

> music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

> with/feel " part of " ...

>

> Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

>

> Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

> surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,

> what working solutions have you found?

>

>

> Kate Gladstone

>

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Dear Kate,

I have had trouble with music over the years. I enjoy it when I enjoy it . .

..but I don't know

when that will be. I liked church music, classical and and cowboy music as a

child.

As a teen I tolerated music as I was trying to fit in and didn't know that there

was another

way.

Now, at 54 I really do not like most music. When I am in the mood for music I

prefer

classical or Christian Hymns and some Christian Lite Rock. But usually I prefer

silence.

When I go to church or friend's weddings, Bar Mitphah's, etc I simply " make "

myself go

through it if I elect to go. Over the years I have excused myself from many

social events,

including weddings, etc and my good friends and relatives understand - if they

didn't I

knew they weren't really my friend.

I have a hard time riding in a car with rock music on - so I try not to ride in

freind's cars.

Last spring, two of my friends had to be in and out of various hospitals - with

other

people driving us when I helped out, so I made myself ignore it, reminding

myself that the

health emergencies of my friend's took precedent over my discomfort with the

music.

So - I guess, as I write about this - I have ordered my life as well as possible

so as not to

have to put up with extraneous music. I choose the events or life priorities,

where music I

dislike is present, carefully and ask myself what is more important - my

comfrort or the

event that I am participating in with my friends.

Good luck with that.

Deborah

>

> Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made to

> feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

> music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

> with/feel " part of " ...

>

> Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

>

> Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

> surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,

> what working solutions have you found?

>

>

> Kate Gladstone

>

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I don't go to culturally/religiously importante events. That's how I avoid it. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made tofeel like an "alien" or "bad person" for not liking the kind ofmusic that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identifywith/feel "part of" ...Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...Do other people here have similar problems with the musics thatsurround them at

(say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,what working solutions have you found?Kate Gladstone

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I don't go to culturally/religiously importante events. That's how I avoid it. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made tofeel like an "alien" or "bad person" for not liking the kind ofmusic that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identifywith/feel "part of" ...Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...Do other people here have similar problems with the musics thatsurround them at

(say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,what working solutions have you found?Kate Gladstone

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Music others expected me to like that I did not-- Having a considerable amount of ADHD symptoms to go along with the aspergerian doctor diagnosis- There was a lot of music that people around me (mostly family) kept trying to "teach" me to like... - but because of being forced to sit still for hours at a time during operas and so forth (concerts, church music...) I learned to strongly dislike instead! (It's difficult to communicate just how decidely unpleasant being forced to immobility over long periods of time is.... like being bound in a straightjacket put on over a layer of itching powder...sometimes I'm amazed at how much agony I put up with!...) Gradually over the decades my preferences have rebounded somewhat from that, but mostly that recovery took many years. (I'm now 51.) Also- (I might have

mentioned this in a prior post)...too-loud rock music with annoying or marginally-intelligible lyrics...growing up in the midst of the 60s-70s everyone was playing it a lot. Heph Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made tofeel like an "alien" or "bad person" for not liking the kind ofmusic that

his/her culture assumes its members will like/identifywith/feel "part of" ...Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...Do other people here have similar problems with the musics thatsurround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,what working solutions have you found?Kate GladstoneHephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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Music others expected me to like that I did not-- Having a considerable amount of ADHD symptoms to go along with the aspergerian doctor diagnosis- There was a lot of music that people around me (mostly family) kept trying to "teach" me to like... - but because of being forced to sit still for hours at a time during operas and so forth (concerts, church music...) I learned to strongly dislike instead! (It's difficult to communicate just how decidely unpleasant being forced to immobility over long periods of time is.... like being bound in a straightjacket put on over a layer of itching powder...sometimes I'm amazed at how much agony I put up with!...) Gradually over the decades my preferences have rebounded somewhat from that, but mostly that recovery took many years. (I'm now 51.) Also- (I might have

mentioned this in a prior post)...too-loud rock music with annoying or marginally-intelligible lyrics...growing up in the midst of the 60s-70s everyone was playing it a lot. Heph Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made tofeel like an "alien" or "bad person" for not liking the kind ofmusic that

his/her culture assumes its members will like/identifywith/feel "part of" ...Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...Do other people here have similar problems with the musics thatsurround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,what working solutions have you found?Kate GladstoneHephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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I should have added- Now I only listen on records or radios. I haven't gone to such places where you have to be still for over a decade now. Hephaestus Clubfoot <lemnosforge@...> wrote: Music others expected me to like that I did not-- Having a considerable amount of ADHD symptoms to go along with the aspergerian doctor diagnosis- There was a lot of music that

people around me (mostly family) kept trying to "teach" me to like... - but because of being forced to sit still for hours at a time during operas and so forth (concerts, church music...) I learned to strongly dislike instead! (It's difficult to communicate just how decidely unpleasant being forced to immobility over long periods of time is.... like being bound in a straightjacket put on over a layer of itching powder...sometimes I'm amazed at how much agony I put up with!...) Gradually over the decades my preferences have rebounded somewhat from that, but mostly that recovery took many years. (I'm now 51.) Also- (I might have mentioned this in a prior post)...too-loud rock music with annoying or marginally-intelligible lyrics...growing up in the midst of the 60s-70s everyone was playing it a lot. Heph Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepairgmail> wrote: Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made tofeel like an "alien" or "bad person" for not liking the kind ofmusic that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identifywith/feel "part of" ...Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...Do other people here have similar problems with the musics thatsurround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If so,what working solutions have you found?Kate GladstoneHephaestus

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I'm Christian and cannot stand most hymns, especially " Amazing

Grace. "

I also don't like much music they play on the radio these days and

have been told that I am pretending not to like them just to be anti-

social, and that if I had any true musical taste I would LOVE

Brittany Spears.

No, I have not found a way to deal with people who tell me I am

weird for not enjoying certain kinds of music...except to stop

hanging around with those people.

Tom

Administrator

Re: Re: gregorian chant

Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made

to feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

with/feel " part of " ...

Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If

so, what working solutions have you found?

Kate Gladstone

[Guest guest]

I'm Christian and cannot stand most hymns, especially " Amazing

Grace. "

I also don't like much music they play on the radio these days and

have been told that I am pretending not to like them just to be anti-

social, and that if I had any true musical taste I would LOVE

Brittany Spears.

No, I have not found a way to deal with people who tell me I am

weird for not enjoying certain kinds of music...except to stop

hanging around with those people.

Tom

Administrator

Re: Re: gregorian chant

Does anyone here (besides me) get made fun of/bullied/excluded/made

to feel like an " alien " or " bad person " for not liking the kind of

music that his/her culture assumes its members will like/identify

with/feel " part of " ...

Born into Judaism, I *cannot* *stand* 99%+ of Jewish music ...

Do other people here have similar problems with the musics that

surround them at (say) culturally/religiously important events? If

so, what working solutions have you found?

Kate Gladstone

[Guest guest]

I am a black sheep and very much like it. So i ignore and or leave

when somethings gets to be to much. European " jewish music is way too

whiny for me "

[Guest guest]

Folks, I know about ignoring or leaving as strategies. Sometimes I

can't or (for various important-to-me reasons) mustn't leave and

mustn't block my ears — and I canNOT ignore sounds that HURT even when

I hear the tiniest, tiniest bit of the sound!!!!!! Any other

suggestions?

Kate Gladstone