Re: ADHD coach/Neurofeedback

[Guest guest]

Todd,HEG is probably your best bet, since it is very fast, easy and clean to set up and use, so it could easily be integrated into a session with whatever else you'll be offering.  It's also a great bet for most people with ADHD (and many without).

I ran 4 offices in Atlanta from 1992-2001.  We called ourselves Attention Development Programs.  We didn't talk about ADHD or any other label.  As soon as you start labeling, you get into psychology and medicine, and you open yourself up charges of practicing without a license.

We focused on developing ability to focus, to stay on a task, to control behavior and emotional response, to be quiet and still--in other words, focus on the positive and no one can accuse you of trying to practice mental health.  Don't talk about curing.  Focus on the fact that the client himself is doing the work--I used to tell them I was a personal trainer for the brain.  I might coach them, but they get the credit for any changes they make.

You won't be able to get BCIA certification, but if you feel a burning need to get some initials to put after your name, you can earn certification from other groups, like Natural Therapies Certification Board.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM, topper1969 <topper@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I've been looking into becoming an ADHD coach and maybe adding neurofeedback to the mix eventually. There really aren't many resources for people (especially adults) with ADHD in my city.

Can anyone describe a neurofeedback practice that isn't in a clinical setting? I assume that would mean no certification from BCIA or any other group that requires a clinical setting.

Or would I just be asking for trouble by not being in a clinical setting?

Thanks for any input,

Todd Brashear

[Guest guest]

Todd,HEG is probably your best bet, since it is very fast, easy and clean to set up and use, so it could easily be integrated into a session with whatever else you'll be offering.  It's also a great bet for most people with ADHD (and many without).

I ran 4 offices in Atlanta from 1992-2001.  We called ourselves Attention Development Programs.  We didn't talk about ADHD or any other label.  As soon as you start labeling, you get into psychology and medicine, and you open yourself up charges of practicing without a license.

We focused on developing ability to focus, to stay on a task, to control behavior and emotional response, to be quiet and still--in other words, focus on the positive and no one can accuse you of trying to practice mental health.  Don't talk about curing.  Focus on the fact that the client himself is doing the work--I used to tell them I was a personal trainer for the brain.  I might coach them, but they get the credit for any changes they make.

You won't be able to get BCIA certification, but if you feel a burning need to get some initials to put after your name, you can earn certification from other groups, like Natural Therapies Certification Board.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM, topper1969 <topper@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I've been looking into becoming an ADHD coach and maybe adding neurofeedback to the mix eventually. There really aren't many resources for people (especially adults) with ADHD in my city.

Can anyone describe a neurofeedback practice that isn't in a clinical setting? I assume that would mean no certification from BCIA or any other group that requires a clinical setting.

Or would I just be asking for trouble by not being in a clinical setting?

Thanks for any input,

Todd Brashear

[Guest guest]

The minute you start talking about medical conditions -- and ADHD is defined by

the FDA as a medical condition that can only be cured by drugs -- you become a

target for extinction. It may take years, but in the end you will be broke and

out of business.

Talk about improving attention, improving concentration, improving focus, and

managing or reducing stress all you want and license boards and government

agencies will ignore you. Reducing hyperactivity could also work -- at least for

now.

I agree, the best approach is to become a coach -- but only under some title

designation that does not include a medical condition. ADD Coach or ADHD Coach

is a target.

Attention Coach, Biofeedback Coach, Concentration Coach, HEG Coach,

Neurofeedback Coach, Neurotherapy Coach, Stress Management Coach, Stress

Reduction Coach and a few other coach titles are safe because there aren't any

drugs that can help improve any of these things. No drugs = safe!

Pick a title that doesn't impact drug sales and you're safe. That really is the

bottom line. For a list of coach titles I endorse see pkcrs.com. a King at

PKCRS will tell you that if you get involved with IAAC you will be promoting the

use of drugs to cure ADHD and ADD. In my opinion, no drugs = safe for all

concerned.

Peace,

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been looking into becoming an ADHD coach and maybe adding neurofeedback

to the mix eventually. There really aren't many resources for people (especially

adults) with ADHD in my city.

>

> Can anyone describe a neurofeedback practice that isn't in a clinical setting?

I assume that would mean no certification from BCIA or any other group that

requires a clinical setting.

>

> Or would I just be asking for trouble by not being in a clinical setting?

>

> Thanks for any input,

>

> Todd Brashear

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Todd,

To be honest with you I never heard anything about ADHD Coaches until June 2011.

All of a sudden, out of the blue, a number of them contacted me because they

were in trouble with a licensing board and wanted my help.

That's when I found out this group formed in 1998 to train licensed

professionals to help patients with ADD or ADHD. They also trained ADD and ADHD

patients to use these techniques to help themselves.

About 2008 they started training non-licensed people suffering from AHHD to help

other people. This decision appears to have been made in the name of greed.

I consider the ADHD curriculum to be excellent. That's not the problem.

The problem with this program is the education group certifies their own

students and runs the association. They gained publicity and notoriety. They

became a voice for pharmacology. Unfortunately, non-licensed and improperly

certified professionals in this environment become targets of license boards.

Pete's right when he says you're better off with no credentials than a worthless

piece of paper. Prosecuting attorneys and all the boards I know consider

certificates issued by a captive non-accredited business nothing but worthless

paper. ADHD Coach is a captive non-accredited business.

I've tried over the last six months to contact the key people at ADHD Coach and

their attorney with no luck to date. What that means to me is they don't care

what happens to the few who get caught.

In my opinion, Pete's right again when he referred you to NTCB.org. If you want

to get involved with ADHD Coach, just don't get caught.

Peace,

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the input everyone.

I've always thought it was weird to start a certification group or " charity " ,

but the founders are all people who are selling the program that you need to

complete to get the certification.

We all have to pay the bills, but it seems kind of self-serving and like a

conflict of interest to me.

Though I agree that many of the programs appear to be informative and beneficial

as well.

Thanks, I'm glad to have these perspectives before I started trying to go down

that road.

Todd

>

> Dear Todd,

>

> To be honest with you I never heard anything about ADHD Coaches until June

2011. All of a sudden, out of the blue, a number of them contacted me because

they were in trouble with a licensing board and wanted my help.

>

> That's when I found out this group formed in 1998 to train licensed

professionals to help patients with ADD or ADHD. They also trained ADD and ADHD

patients to use these techniques to help themselves.

>

> About 2008 they started training non-licensed people suffering from AHHD to

help other people. This decision appears to have been made in the name of greed.

>

> I consider the ADHD curriculum to be excellent. That's not the problem.

>

> The problem with this program is the education group certifies their own

students and runs the association. They gained publicity and notoriety. They

became a voice for pharmacology. Unfortunately, non-licensed and improperly

certified professionals in this environment become targets of license boards.

>

> Pete's right when he says you're better off with no credentials than a

worthless piece of paper. Prosecuting attorneys and all the boards I know

consider certificates issued by a captive non-accredited business nothing but

worthless paper. ADHD Coach is a captive non-accredited business.

>

> I've tried over the last six months to contact the key people at ADHD Coach

and their attorney with no luck to date. What that means to me is they don't

care what happens to the few who get caught.

>

> In my opinion, Pete's right again when he referred you to NTCB.org. If you

want to get involved with ADHD Coach, just don't get caught.

>

> Peace,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unless things have changed, BCIA also does not answer to any credentialing organizations around there own certification process. They dropped the regulatory and educational organization that over saw them a long time back, claiming that it was to expensive.

Bruce

Re: ADHD coach/Neurofeedback

Thanks for the input everyone.I've always thought it was weird to start a certification group or "charity", but the founders are all people who are selling the program that you need to complete to get the certification. We all have to pay the bills, but it seems kind of self-serving and like a conflict of interest to me. Though I agree that many of the programs appear to be informative and beneficial as well. Thanks, I'm glad to have these perspectives before I started trying to go down that road. Todd>> Dear Todd,> > To be honest with you I never heard anything about ADHD Coaches until June 2011. All of a sudden, out of the blue, a number of them contacted me because they were in trouble with a licensing board and wanted my help.> > That's when I found out this group formed in 1998 to train licensed professionals to help patients with ADD or ADHD. They also trained ADD and ADHD patients to use these techniques to help themselves. > > About 2008 they started training non-licensed people suffering from AHHD to help other people. This decision appears to have been made in the name of greed.> > I consider the ADHD curriculum to be excellent. That's not the problem.> > The problem with this program is the education group certifies their own students and runs the association. They gained publicity and notoriety. They became a voice for pharmacology. Unfortunately, non-licensed and improperly certified professionals in this environment become targets of license boards.> > Pete's right when he says you're better off with no credentials than a worthless piece of paper. Prosecuting attorneys and all the boards I know consider certificates issued by a captive non-accredited business nothing but worthless paper. ADHD Coach is a captive non-accredited business. > > I've tried over the last six months to contact the key people at ADHD Coach and their attorney with no luck to date. What that means to me is they don't care what happens to the few who get caught. > > In my opinion, Pete's right again when he referred you to NTCB.org. If you want to get involved with ADHD Coach, just don't get caught.> > Peace,> >