Tics

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Connie,

My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment

with the Roshi 2+.

Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes

in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen

rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the

package.

I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow.

Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric

called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency.

I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most

noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate.

So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with

anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the

slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you

track this during sessions,

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:

> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would

like to address them)

>

> Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the

other appears to have a slow wave disorder.

>

> I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take

down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.

>

> The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.

>

> Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast

wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not

alot of delta and theta.

>

> Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Neither are torettes.

Thanks. How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi??

Connie Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

Neither are torettes.

Thanks. How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi??

Connie Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Connie,I use the old eeg driven roshi 2+. It works with BioExplorer and BioEra pro for NFB and provides the complex flicker pattern based on eeg activityOn Mar 30, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Connie Welsh wrote:Neither are torettes. Thanks. How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi?? Connie Re: TicsConnie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Connie,I use the old eeg driven roshi 2+. It works with BioExplorer and BioEra pro for NFB and provides the complex flicker pattern based on eeg activityOn Mar 30, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Connie Welsh wrote:Neither are torettes. Thanks. How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi?? Connie Re: TicsConnie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up training, blocking slow and fast are good options for tics.Remember that if you are working with a young client, SMR may well not be 12-15Hz.  You need to find the client's SMR.Anxiety can be related to high coherence in fastwaves, reversals of beta left/right or front/back, a hot cingulate (even without excessive beta levels.

Alpha problems are commonly related to anxiety.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

USA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Connie Welsh <conniewelsh@...> wrote:

 

Neither are torettes. 

 

Thanks.  How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi??

 

Connie Re: Tics

 

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.

I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate.

So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.

> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.

> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN

> > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

C4/P4 or C4/Pz SMR up training, blocking slow and fast are good options for tics.Remember that if you are working with a young client, SMR may well not be 12-15Hz.  You need to find the client's SMR.Anxiety can be related to high coherence in fastwaves, reversals of beta left/right or front/back, a hot cingulate (even without excessive beta levels.

Alpha problems are commonly related to anxiety.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

USA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Connie Welsh <conniewelsh@...> wrote:

 

Neither are torettes. 

 

Thanks.  How to you train from an assessment with the Roshi??

 

Connie Re: Tics

 

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.

I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate.

So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.

> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.

> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN

> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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You said a VERY interesting thing that I must understand better:

From: gmartin@...Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:45 -0500Subject: Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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,

You said a VERY interesting thing that I must understand better:

From: gmartin@...Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:45 -0500Subject: Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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, You said a VERY interesting thing that I must understand better: "Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions."

I guess you mean in bioera. Because in Bioexplorer, you can in fact track, visually, the amplitudes based upon their COLOR. That said, it's not at all scientific, nor is it a Percent (unless you adjust the COLOR scale to Percent Amplitude) to use the Spectrogram as the measure. It's really only visual as a measure.

Maybe I'm missing a BioEra nuance that I haven't picked up on yet.

But your explanation of this quick phrase,

"Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions."

would be GREATLY appreciated by me,

THANKS!

From: gmartin@...Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:45 -0500Subject: Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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, You said a VERY interesting thing that I must understand better: "Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions."

I guess you mean in bioera. Because in Bioexplorer, you can in fact track, visually, the amplitudes based upon their COLOR. That said, it's not at all scientific, nor is it a Percent (unless you adjust the COLOR scale to Percent Amplitude) to use the Spectrogram as the measure. It's really only visual as a measure.

Maybe I'm missing a BioEra nuance that I haven't picked up on yet.

But your explanation of this quick phrase,

"Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions."

would be GREATLY appreciated by me,

THANKS!

From: gmartin@...Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:45 -0500Subject: Re: Tics

Connie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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,Perhaps I was less than clear,The brain rate algorithm I use is based on the percent of amplitude of each band.Using the spectrogram set as I describe gives a nice, though though less precise, representation,I am speaking of BIoExplorer. And using the colors in the spectrogram.I use the spectrum analyzer, set to spectrogram, and percent of amplitude. I use 256 or 512 bins. As slow wave activity breaks up, I like to see some spread of activity move "up" the spectrogram. Most often that happens in a smooth even spread. Sometimes as the slow activity breaks up a "ridge" forms somewhere in the beta/fast beta range. IF that occurs I give more attention to capping or inhibiting the fast activity.On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Machado wrote:, You said a VERY interesting thing that I must understand better: "Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions." I guess you mean in bioera. Because in Bioexplorer, you can in fact track, visually, the amplitudes based upon their COLOR. That said, it's not at all scientific, nor is it a Percent (unless you adjust the COLOR scale to Percent Amplitude) to use the Spectrogram as the measure. It's really only visual as a measure. Maybe I'm missing a BioEra nuance that I haven't picked up on yet. But your explanation of this quick phrase, "Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions." would be GREATLY appreciated by me, THANKS! From: gmartin@...Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:16:45 -0500Subject: Re: TicsConnie,My best results with tics have resulted from training from an eeg assessment with the Roshi 2+.Are the tics for the first client part of Tourette disorder? If so then changes in intensity and location are part of the package. These changes can happen rather quickly. Not necessarily a case of getting worse just part of the package.I have seen clients who have anxiety symptoms but the eeg is primarily slow. Often they present as having prominent alpha activity. I have used a metric called brain rate, a band weighted measure of arousal much like mean frequency. I have on several occasions found excessive slow activity to be the most noticeable feature but with a concurrent high brain-rate. So in short, yes, predominantly slow presentations can be seen in clients with anxiety. In these cases I always watch the fast activity as I train down the slow activity. Using a spectrogram set to percent of amplitude and help you track this during sessions,On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Connie wrote:> Hi, I have two clients with tics (this is not why they came to me but I would like to address them)> > Both clients are extremely anxious. One has a fast wave disorder but the other appears to have a slow wave disorder.> > I tried to bring up SMR on the first and they got worse. I am helping her take down the betas and upping the alphas and the tics are better but not gone.> > The second child appears to have a slow wave disorder with low betas.> > Also, has anyone heard of anxiety with a slow wave disorder without a fast wave piece??? I usually see alot of alpha or alot of beta with anxiety but not alot of delta and theta.> > Thanks, Connie LPC, BCN> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Okay so that was my stuff (that pete was just talking about) that I figured out over the years of working with children in foster care.

So this is what I learned from mentors and classes and well just kind of figured out.

use C4A2 for training regular everyday kind of stuff

that's when the number on the reports page where it says C4 smr % is lower than 10% and verified that it it is actually lobeta waves and not alpha leaking into it

And actually now I work more in quadrants for short bursts and get even greater results

so like an Fp2A2 for 5 minutes then an F4A2 for five mintues then an F8A2 for five mintues then a C4A2 for five mintues etc.

You get the idea

for tension or basically when someone comes in and they are wearing their shoulders for earrings i would do a C4P4 (nicknamed "The Calgon Bath" in my office

Then if someone comes in and they are very aggressive and or violent with the same issues then I would do a C4Pz

well that is the jist it anyways

i mean there is a bit more to all this but that should be enough to get your thorugh this

also

note that when someone comes in with a diagnoses i have learned to not train so much towards a diagnoses but to train really as to what the assessment is telling you to train and then really things will fall into place

i have a very high success rate and i feel that it is because i train to what the assessment says

i believe that pete has said this in the past anyways

the last person that came in with tourettes in my office had huge amounts of hibeta waves running marathons in her brain as soon as those calmed down most her tourettes was gone then i followed the rest with some of the c4 quadrants stuff and she was golden and might i add her tennis game improved too!!!

hope something out of this jibberish helps!!!

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SMR training is generally good for physical control issues.  Can also be helpful for difficulty falling asleep.  It can be a little tricky with a 7 year old to find the best training frequency.Training at Cz/A2 or C4/A2 or C3/C4, inhibit the total EEG (squash) while training to increase SMR.

I've sometimes had good response with training C4/Pz in one channel, also squashing and increasing SMR.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:34 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

Hello I have a 7 years old girl with 2 types of tics - vocal and eye tics.At the moment I treat her with peripheral biofeedback with which I used to have good success.

I wonder if I could use NF as well, and what will be the proper protocol.

Thank youNurit

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Thank you Pete you are always very helpful. NuritOn Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

SMR training is generally good for physical control issues.  Can also be helpful for difficulty falling asleep.  It can be a little tricky with a 7 year old to find the best training frequency.Training at Cz/A2 or C4/A2 or C3/C4, inhibit the total EEG (squash) while training to increase SMR.

I've sometimes had good response with training C4/Pz in one channel, also squashing and increasing SMR.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:34 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

Hello I have a 7 years old girl with 2 types of tics - vocal and eye tics.At the moment I treat her with peripheral biofeedback with which I used to have good success.

I wonder if I could use NF as well, and what will be the proper protocol.

Thank youNurit

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peteWill you also recommend training SMR for restless leg?Thank youNuritOn Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

SMR training is generally good for physical control issues.  Can also be helpful for difficulty falling asleep.  It can be a little tricky with a 7 year old to find the best training frequency.Training at Cz/A2 or C4/A2 or C3/C4, inhibit the total EEG (squash) while training to increase SMR.

I've sometimes had good response with training C4/Pz in one channel, also squashing and increasing SMR.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:34 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

Hello I have a 7 years old girl with 2 types of tics - vocal and eye tics.At the moment I treat her with peripheral biofeedback with which I used to have good success.

I wonder if I could use NF as well, and what will be the proper protocol.

Thank youNurit

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peteWill you also recommend training SMR for restless leg?Thank youNuritOn Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:30 PM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

 

SMR training is generally good for physical control issues.  Can also be helpful for difficulty falling asleep.  It can be a little tricky with a 7 year old to find the best training frequency.Training at Cz/A2 or C4/A2 or C3/C4, inhibit the total EEG (squash) while training to increase SMR.

I've sometimes had good response with training C4/Pz in one channel, also squashing and increasing SMR.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...

http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 6:34 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

Hello I have a 7 years old girl with 2 types of tics - vocal and eye tics.At the moment I treat her with peripheral biofeedback with which I used to have good success.

I wonder if I could use NF as well, and what will be the proper protocol.

Thank youNurit

[Guest guest]

Yes.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:51 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

peteWill you also recommend training SMR for restless leg?

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Yes.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:51 AM, nurit haran <harannurit@...> wrote:

 

peteWill you also recommend training SMR for restless leg?