Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 , My proposal title is "The effectiveness of biofeedback and neurofeedback on stress management and improvement of work abilities and relevant cognitive functions in electric industry operators". Should I change my title if I use HEG? I have Procomp device. I think HEG works with this instrument. Doesn't it? I have worked with HRV mixed with temperature, but I thought that temperature biofeedback is easier to access for patients. I do QEEG for both groups as pre and post test. Can it helpful or not? What is the price of HEG? Regard, Ghaffar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 , My proposal title is "The effectiveness of biofeedback and neurofeedback on stress management and improvement of work abilities and relevant cognitive functions in electric industry operators". Should I change my title if I use HEG? I have Procomp device. I think HEG works with this instrument. Doesn't it? I have worked with HRV mixed with temperature, but I thought that temperature biofeedback is easier to access for patients. I do QEEG for both groups as pre and post test. Can it helpful or not? What is the price of HEG? Regard, Ghaffar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Ghaffar,What are you doing with the QEEG's? That would be like taking a snapshot of someone before and after they spent 20 days doing a walking program. Perhaps you'll see changes, perhaps not. As I'm sure you are aware, the brain is constantly shifting and changing. The QEEG will give you hundreds of means and standard deviations, hundreds of z-scores. You'll really need to have some kind of idea of which of all those data points you think will be worth tracking and which ones might have an effect on the rather broad categories of things you hope to change (stress management, work performance and cognitive functions). How are you going to measure outcomes? Is there some measure of operator performance that can be tracked objectively? Or are you actually going to try to measure stress levels pre and post, job performance pre and post and " relevant " cognitive functions (which would be what?) Are you just assuming that an operator who reduces stress will improve performance? Or that stress reduction will relate to cognitive functions? Those are three very different things, and they may or may not relate to one another. HRV can be measured on a ProComp. HEG as well (though only pIR, not nIR). I'm not sure of the cost for the sensor setups, and I'm not sure what software is available, but you can do it. One question perhaps worth considering is what might the outcome of your study be? Let's say you showed significant improvement against a control group of trainers who did HEG and HRV. Does a plant then need to pay $5000 to get a procomp/infiniti setup and teach someone how to use it? HRV can easily be taught using EmWave ($260) with perhaps a racing game ($99), and HEG can be trained using a Pendant/Headband/BioExplorer package that will cost around $1480. For well below $2000 a plant could purchase an easy-to-use system that operators can use to train themselves. As far as EEG training is concerned, in terms of your study, you'll pretty much need to train everyone using the same protocol. You are doing a QEEG, so that could be used (by someone who knows what he is doing) to determine suggested training approaches for each person, but you won't be able to implement that. And as far as usefulness for plants, assuming you show a benefit, they now have to face learning to find sites and place electrodes to verify good signal quality to do EEG. It's a lot messier and more complicated. The main benefit of EEG would be the ability to train individual brains to change their own specific patterns. That's not what you are looking for. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:32 AM, ghaffar malekkhosravi <malekkho@...> wrote: , My proposal title is " The effectiveness of biofeedback and neurofeedback on stress management and improvement of work abilities and relevant cognitive functions in electric industry operators " . Should I change my title if I use HEG? I have Procomp device. I think HEG works with this instrument. Doesn't it? I have worked with HRV mixed with temperature, but I thought that temperature biofeedback is easier to access for patients. I do QEEG for both groups as pre and post test. Can it helpful or not? What is the price of HEG? Regard, Ghaffar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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