Re: Why Money Is The Root of Allot of Evil (bad)

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In a message dated 12/15/2006 10:39:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nathaninfortuna@... writes:

Well golly, I don't recall it, while chapter 5 does say some good things, It's not the one I wanted. What's the one about the bread being divded and handed out to the crowd? It was bread and somethng else, but the food ended up being much more from the small amount.

Actually that was a miracle and should not be taken as support for socialism. It was a demonstration of Christ's divine power. Christ did say to help the poor, which in that time meant the truly destitute with no family to support them. He said that it was better to teach a man to fish so he could feed himself for a lifetime rather than to give him a fish and feed him for a day.

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In a message dated 12/15/2006 11:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nathaninfortuna@... writes:

You have done a good job at masking your hate towards those in need and have gone as far as saying in meaning only veterans should be helped. While clearly stating such things were parasistic and demostrating a clear bias and slander towards a group of people in the welfare system.

Well, I was wrong. I was wrong to try to end this gracefully and even concede defeat. However, you are still rabidly obsessed with twisting my words and laying out personal insults that you won't let it go.

Very well.

I withdraw my concession and claim victory in this debate. You proven how faulty and invalid your position is time and time again. Your having to resort to twisting my words, personally insulting me and repeatedly insulting my beliefs and my family, you prove that you can not defend your position logically or factually. All you have is emotionally, hyperbole and hatred. I know that his is considered high discourse on the left, as can be see with the growing number of violent assaults against those they disagree with. However, such tactics only deepen divides and hurt your own position.

The last thing I will say before ignoring you completely is this. I never said that the disables should be looked after. What I oppose is the current system where so many who need be on the dole are. There are too many programs, too much waste in the bureaucracy, and taxes are too high. If there was more business there would be more employment, including for the disabled, and fewer people would have to feel ashamed about taking money from the government.

Now, you can go back to twisting my words and insulting me all you want. I'm not going to be reading any more of your posts because it will be pointless to do so. I do, however, ask that you too drop this topic so the tension on the boards can drop. If you don't, well, I'm not going to moderate you or anything. The others can if they want, but I am stepping away from this pointless escapade.

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Well golly, I don't recall it, while chapter 5 does say some good

things, It's not the one I wanted. What's the one about the bread

being divded and handed out to the crowd? It was bread and somethng

else, but the food ended up being much more from the small amount.

I think it is wise though likely inconviently to have a heated

debate forum where two folks can really get it on.

Posts would be refered there where they have gotten to the point

where a moderator or civilian of it's governmental socialistic

administration have gotten to verbally heated.

Socialistic meaning the troll policy, to man differing forms of it

exists, many anti-freedom of speech. I understand true trolling as

something like:

Someone cursing at another person for little reason.

I'm working on a future audio commercial for the readio now, I hope

to have it availible for some to hear later this evening. IT's with

my voice with sound effects.

It will be on the radio..

Young

A parasite sucking the money right from your taxes

just becuase I am lazy.

>

> Evil not to be confused with a spiritual identity such as the

devil in

> the context I am using means bad.

>

> Slavery was because of money..

>

> Corruption can be because of money...

>

> Bigotry is because of money in part.. To keep jobs for only a

certain

> group..

>

> Money itself is an out of date mechanism of prosperity.

>

> Human kind could do much more if money was non-existent..

>

> Think of Star-Trek.

>

> For the christian Folk black or white, brown or pink with purple

poka-

> dotz. Mathew Chapter 5.

>

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Helping the disabled is not in support of socialism. Intergration

programs which yo refer to as parasites of the government, but

really originally as the people whom use it as parasites teach and

help someome to fish.

You know how guilty I have felt for being on disability. I have

worked every day since being on disability to get off of it. You may

not like paying the taxes but when I worked 7 days a week in the

only job I was able to hold for 2-years I paid taxes to.

You have done a good job at masking your hate towards those in need

and have gone as far as saying in meaning only veterans should be

helped. While clearly stating such things were parasistic and

demostrating a clear bias and slander towards a group of people in

the welfare system.

The rich refer to them as white trash, you as a parasite of the

government.

I think there should be more programs for those with autism and

other forms of disabilities, not less, not none.

>

>

> In a message dated 12/15/2006 10:39:35 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> nathaninfortuna@... writes:

>

> Well golly, I don't recall it, while chapter 5 does say some good

> things, It's not the one I wanted. What's the one about the bread

> being divded and handed out to the crowd? It was bread and

somethng

> else, but the food ended up being much more from the small amount.

>

>

>

> Actually that was a miracle and should not be taken as support

for

> socialism. It was a demonstration of Christ's divine power. Christ

did say to help the

> poor, which in that time meant the truly destitute with no family

to support

> them. He said that it was better to teach a man to fish so he

could feed

> himself for a lifetime rather than to give him a fish and feed him

for a day.

>

>

>

>

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You think this is some kind of game ou disrespectfull aragant pumpus

arse? You think there is wining and losing?

Try playing your words and manipulating someone else, you said what

you said and I'm putting it back at you. I'm no parasite and as you

slander the poor with your arse remarks let it be seen for your true

heart.

Anyone can look back and see what you said, it was hatefull, bias

and stereotypical.

As you defend the abuses of slavery with polished images of what it

was, let it be known that which you defend in truth.

You are hatefull in a way, perhaps it is ingrained in your psyche as

some sort of twisted patriotic idealism..But you might be so brain

washed by hate in your justifications to realize the harmfull things

that you say.

Your a parasite to true compassion, a fuel of hate towards people

not like yourself by calling people or groups parasites..

Hyprocrite like most of the founding fathers of the old America with

there false freedoms while having policies of superiority for

inslaving others for there own gain.

You might be so thick headed in your egotistical narcistic waiving

of the victory flag to realize how wrong and ignorant your ideology

appears.

Good you won, anyone on welfare is of your socialistic structualism

assumption in ideology which is parastic to you. Now anyone on

disability on this forum or elsewhere can feel really bad for it.

They are part of the system which inslaves you, they are the reason

for the parasite which you potray.

Welfar should have never existed, that president you mentioned was

the reason for your inslavement. Well guy guess what, at least your

not working for a master in a field working your butt off for

nothing.

>

>

> In a message dated 12/15/2006 11:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> nathaninfortuna@... writes:

>

> You have done a good job at masking your hate towards those in

need

> and have gone as far as saying in meaning only veterans should be

> helped. While clearly stating such things were parasistic and

> demostrating a clear bias and slander towards a group of people

in

> the welfare system.

>

>

>

> Well, I was wrong. I was wrong to try to end this gracefully and

even

> concede defeat. However, you are still rabidly obsessed with

twisting my words and

> laying out personal insults that you won't let it go.

>

> Very well.

>

> I withdraw my concession and claim victory in this debate. You

proven how

> faulty and invalid your position is time and time again. Your

having to resort

> to twisting my words, personally insulting me and repeatedly

insulting my

> beliefs and my family, you prove that you can not defend your

position logically

> or factually. All you have is emotionally, hyperbole and hatred. I

know that

> his is considered high discourse on the left, as can be see with

the growing

> number of violent assaults against those they disagree with.

However, such

> tactics only deepen divides and hurt your own position.

>

> The last thing I will say before ignoring you completely is this.

I never

> said that the disables should be looked after. What I oppose is

the current

> system where so many who need be on the dole are. There are too

many programs,

> too much waste in the bureaucracy, and taxes are too high. If

there was more

> business there would be more employment, including for the

disabled, and fewer

> people would have to feel ashamed about taking money from the

government.

>

> Now, you can go back to twisting my words and insulting me all you

want. I'm

> not going to be reading any more of your posts because it will be

pointless

> to do so. I do, however, ask that you too drop this topic so the

tension on

> the boards can drop. If you don't, well, I'm not going to

moderate you or

> anything. The others can if they want, but I am stepping away

from this pointless

> escapade.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I will hold you to keeping silent.

No one is going to get moderated.

has valid points, but he gets frustrated because he cannot

express them as well as you can.

I think we ought to drop the subject now, but if wants to get

it out of his system, I will allow him a few more posts.

Tom

Administrator

Now, you can go back to twisting my words and insulting me all you

want. I'm not going to be reading any more of your posts because it

will be pointless to do so. I do, however, ask that you too drop

this topic so the tension on the boards can drop. If you don't,

well, I'm not going to moderate you or anything. The others can if

they want, but I am stepping away from this pointless escapade.

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In a message dated 12/17/2006 4:22:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes:

I also do not think either of you are filled with hate. I myself recieve benefits and have pointed such out to before. I would really like to work or go back to college - guess what is stopping me - there is no adequate affordable childcare.The welfare system here in England is screwed up. Yes they will give me money, but no means of furthering myself. Yes we have free health service here, but I can't even get in to see the doctor - something is clearly wrong. One more point - I live in a private rented house which is paid for by benefits, I would actually prefer to live in a house that costs less money, but because I have a roof over my head the council will not let me live in a house that costs less - I don't quite understand the logic of welfare when something has clearly gone wrong with the system.

,

You have pointed out very clearly my objections to the system. The prime objection and why I hate the welfare state, is that it does not allow for people to lift themselves up and get off of the program.

If the system worked properly, you would be able to:

1. Move to a less expensive house.

2. Have access to a daycare center during the day so you could go to work and/or college.

These two steps would allow you, in a couple of years at most, to probably leave the system, which would be good all the way 'round.

That is actually the way the old style paternal welfare systems were. They were designed to help people in a tight spot so they could get back on their feet. It was during the 1920 Global Depression that the maternal system we have now really began to crystallize. Well, in the US and England anyway. The cradle to grave maternal system first appeared in it modern form in Germany under Bismark I think it was. That system had benefits from birth through death, but wasn't quite what we have today.

Simply put, the modern system isn't about helping people, it is about helping politicians and bureaucrats. The more people on the programs, the more people the bureaucracy needs on its payroll. In the world of government, the more bureaucrats in and agency and the greater its funding, the greater that agency's prestige and power. So, it is in the agency's interest to keep it rolls as large as possible and expanding through more funding, more rules and regulations and ever more expansion into people's lives. It is all a twisted NT like game of power and prestige.

A system that cared about the people would be trying to help you get a job and an education to get you on your feet. There are some programs for that now in the US, but it was a real fight to get it passed. Unfortunately, in some places the states are rolling back the reforms even though they had been great successes.

The good thing though is that you have not succumbed to the welfare mentality. It is good that you want to do for yourself and I wish you the best of luck. Sadly, many have given up and resigned themselves to the system, which is precisely what the government wants. The results of that are clear to see in the high crime rates in and around the estates, the drug use and general lack of respect people have for others, or themselves. That's what I hate about the system, that it destroys people's souls. Winston Churchill had a great quote along these lines about the dole, but I can't remember it.

Best of luck and I hope you do succeed one day soon,

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In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:02:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nathaninfortuna@... writes:

has gone as far as defending slave owners treatment of African Americans. As if they were treated so kindly by there white masters working sde by side. I just can't respect him for his defence of a time when human rights violations were ignored, the essencial liberties of black americans non-existent and arragont remarks about Yankee propaganda against slavery.I think if Sir. in his prestige and now clear reverse discrimination against N.T's is an accepted philosphy I'd prefer to be no longer here. Really, it's a bad representation of the leadership of this group.When he speaks of N.T's and damns this so called neuro-typological groupit's shows his ignorance. The pattern of behaviour is quite clear, the man is discrimatory towards multiple groups, the last the N.T group which includes the great majority of people. It's a pumpus attitude of a superiorist narcisist and needs to be spoken against.

, Give it a rest. I stood down from discussing this with you but you obviously won't let go. You insist on twisting my words and continuing to insult me.

Therefore, since you show you can not behave with decorum, if you act like this again, I will put you on moderation.

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Mmmmmmmmmm I am only just trying to catch up with the posts today and

have to go out soon - unfortunately there is more illness in my

family (step dad back in hospital).

I think at first this discussion started of reasonably and both

and had points, now this seems to have degenerated.

I don't think called you a parasite I do not recall

seeing such.

I also do not think either of you are filled with hate. I myself

recieve benefits and have pointed such out to before. I would

really like to work or go back to college - guess what is stopping

me - there is no adequate affordable childcare.

The welfare system here in England is screwed up. Yes they will give

me money, but no means of furthering myself. Yes we have free health

service here, but I can't even get in to see the doctor - something

is clearly wrong. One more point - I live in a private rented house

which is paid for by benefits, I would actually prefer to live in a

house that costs less money, but because I have a roof over my head

the council will not let me live in a house that costs less - I don't

quite understand the logic of welfare when something has clearly gone

wrong with the system.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/15/2006 11:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > nathaninfortuna@ writes:

> >

> > You have done a good job at masking your hate towards those in

> need

> > and have gone as far as saying in meaning only veterans should

be

> > helped. While clearly stating such things were parasistic and

> > demostrating a clear bias and slander towards a group of people

> in

> > the welfare system.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well, I was wrong. I was wrong to try to end this gracefully and

> even

> > concede defeat. However, you are still rabidly obsessed with

> twisting my words and

> > laying out personal insults that you won't let it go.

> >

> > Very well.

> >

> > I withdraw my concession and claim victory in this debate. You

> proven how

> > faulty and invalid your position is time and time again. Your

> having to resort

> > to twisting my words, personally insulting me and repeatedly

> insulting my

> > beliefs and my family, you prove that you can not defend your

> position logically

> > or factually. All you have is emotionally, hyperbole and hatred.

I

> know that

> > his is considered high discourse on the left, as can be see with

> the growing

> > number of violent assaults against those they disagree with.

> However, such

> > tactics only deepen divides and hurt your own position.

> >

> > The last thing I will say before ignoring you completely is this.

> I never

> > said that the disables should be looked after. What I oppose is

> the current

> > system where so many who need be on the dole are. There are too

> many programs,

> > too much waste in the bureaucracy, and taxes are too high. If

> there was more

> > business there would be more employment, including for the

> disabled, and fewer

> > people would have to feel ashamed about taking money from the

> government.

> >

> > Now, you can go back to twisting my words and insulting me all

you

> want. I'm

> > not going to be reading any more of your posts because it will be

> pointless

> > to do so. I do, however, ask that you too drop this topic so the

> tension on

> > the boards can drop. If you don't, well, I'm not going to

> moderate you or

> > anything. The others can if they want, but I am stepping away

> from this pointless

> > escapade.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Rules in the welfare system can be oppressive. What he said was hate, it was highly disrespectfull of people and he targeted a class of people.greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Mmmmmmmmmm I am only just trying to catch up with the posts today and have to go out soon - unfortunately there is more illness in my family (step dad back in hospital). I think at first this discussion started of reasonably and both and had points, now this seems to have degenerated.

I don't think called you a parasite I do not recall seeing such. I also do not think either of you are filled with hate. I myself recieve benefits and have pointed such out to before. I would really like to work or go back to college - guess what is stopping me - there is no adequate affordable childcare. The welfare system here in England is screwed up. Yes they will give me money, but no means of furthering myself. Yes we have free health service here, but I can't even get in to see the doctor - something is clearly wrong. One more point - I live in a private rented house which is paid for by benefits, I would actually prefer to live in a house that costs less money, but because I have a roof over my head the council will not let me live in a house that costs less - I don't quite understand the logic of welfare when something has clearly gone wrong with the

system. > > > > > > In a message dated 12/15/2006 11:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > > nathaninfortuna@ writes: > > > > You have done a good job at masking your hate towards those in > need > > and have gone as far as saying in meaning only veterans should be > > helped. While clearly stating such things were parasistic and > >

demostrating a clear bias and slander towards a group of people > in > > the welfare system. > > > > > > > > Well, I was wrong. I was wrong to try to end this gracefully and > even > > concede defeat. However, you are still rabidly obsessed with > twisting my words and > > laying out personal insults that you won't let it go. > > > > Very well. > > > > I withdraw my concession and claim victory in this debate. You > proven how > > faulty and invalid your position is time and time again. Your > having to resort > > to twisting my words, personally insulting me and repeatedly > insulting my > > beliefs and my family, you prove that you can not defend your > position logically > > or factually. All you have is emotionally, hyperbole and hatred.

I > know that > > his is considered high discourse on the left, as can be see with > the growing > > number of violent assaults against those they disagree with. > However, such > > tactics only deepen divides and hurt your own position. > > > > The last thing I will say before ignoring you completely is this. > I never > > said that the disables should be looked after. What I oppose is > the current > > system where so many who need be on the dole are. There are too > many programs, > > too much waste in the bureaucracy, and taxes are too high. If > there was more > > business there would be more employment, including for the > disabled, and fewer > > people would have to feel ashamed about taking money from the > government. > > > > Now, you can go back to

twisting my words and insulting me all you > want. I'm > > not going to be reading any more of your posts because it will be > pointless > > to do so. I do, however, ask that you too drop this topic so the > tension on > > the boards can drop. If you don't, well, I'm not going to > moderate you or > > anything. The others can if they want, but I am stepping away > from this pointless > > escapade. > > > > > > > Turning In Big BrotherMy First Authored BookOnline For Free..http://www.nathanyoung.net __________________________________________________

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In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:50:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nathaninfortuna@... writes:

I don't believe the move will be wise on your part.

So, you respond to a request for civility with threats? You also continue to cling to your misinterpretation of my words. Then you have the nerve to say that my asking for civility is akin to Hitler.

"You hate N.T's, you put them down and you are a social bully."

Now you put words in my mouth. I don't hate NTs, some of their behavior is puzzling and disgusting, but I never said that I hated them. You call me a bully because I dared to question you. You spouted off against the Founding Fathers so I added some fact about slavery, which you twisted into support FOR slavery, which it was not. I tried to show you how we could not have the current system without the mistakes of the past, but responded to this with more twisting of my words and added personal attacks.

"It's just hate, I dare you put me on moderation."

Just what are you going to do if I do? I don't recall you doing anything the other times you have been put on moderation, by Tom and other moderators. Just what are you going to do? Please tell me, tell all of us, just what you are going to do.

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The welfare system already has job placement assistence. It's when consumers are hard to place and require more accomodation that it seems to fail. has gone as far as defending slave owners treatment of African Americans. As if they were treated so kindly by there white masters working sde by side. I just can't respect him for his defence of a time when human rights violations were ignored, the essencial liberties of black americans non-existent and arragont remarks about Yankee propaganda against slavery.I think if Sir. in his prestige and now clear reverse discrimination against N.T's is an accepted philosphy I'd prefer to be no longer here. Really, it's a bad representation of the leadership of this group.When he speaks of N.T's and damns this so called neuro-typological group it's shows his ignorance. The pattern of behaviour is quite clear, the man is discrimatory towards multiple groups, the last the N.T group which

includes the great majority of people. It's a pumpus attitude of a superiorist narcisist and needs to be spoken against.VISIGOTH@... wrote: In a message dated 12/17/2006 4:22:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16ntlworld writes: I also do not think either of you are filled with hate. I myself

recieve benefits and have pointed such out to before. I would really like to work or go back to college - guess what is stopping me - there is no adequate affordable childcare.The welfare system here in England is screwed up. Yes they will give me money, but no means of furthering myself. Yes we have free health service here, but I can't even get in to see the doctor - something is clearly wrong. One more point - I live in a private rented house which is paid for by benefits, I would actually prefer to live in a house that costs less money, but because I have a roof over my head the council will not let me live in a house that costs less - I don't quite understand the logic of welfare when something has clearly gone wrong with the system. , You have pointed out very clearly my objections

to the system. The prime objection and why I hate the welfare state, is that it does not allow for people to lift themselves up and get off of the program. If the system worked properly, you would be able to: 1. Move to a less expensive house. 2. Have access to a daycare center during the day so you could go to work and/or college. These two steps would allow you, in a couple of years at most, to probably leave the system, which would be good all the way 'round. That is actually the way the old style paternal welfare systems were. They were designed to help people in a tight spot so they could get back on their feet. It was during the 1920 Global Depression that the maternal system we have now really began to crystallize. Well, in the US and England anyway. The cradle to grave maternal system first appeared in it

modern form in Germany under Bismark I think it was. That system had benefits from birth through death, but wasn't quite what we have today. Simply put, the modern system isn't about helping people, it is about helping politicians and bureaucrats. The more people on the programs, the more people the bureaucracy needs on its payroll. In the world of government, the more bureaucrats in and agency and the greater its funding, the greater that agency's prestige and power. So, it is in the agency's interest to keep it rolls as large as possible and expanding through more funding, more rules and regulations and ever more expansion into people's lives. It is all a twisted NT like game of power and prestige. A system that cared about the people would be trying to help you get a job and an education to get you on your feet. There are some programs for that now in the US, but it was a real fight to get it passed.

Unfortunately, in some places the states are rolling back the reforms even though they had been great successes. The good thing though is that you have not succumbed to the welfare mentality. It is good that you want to do for yourself and I wish you the best of luck. Sadly, many have given up and resigned themselves to the system, which is precisely what the government wants. The results of that are clear to see in the high crime rates in and around the estates, the drug use and general lack of respect people have for others, or themselves. That's what I hate about the system, that it destroys people's souls. Winston Churchill had a great quote along these lines about the dole, but I can't remember it. Best of luck and I hope you do succeed one day soon, Turning In Big BrotherMy First Authored BookOnline For Free..http://www.nathanyoung.net __________________________________________________

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I don't believe the move will be wise on your part. For speaking

against you in your clear dicriminations against people who collect

welfare, your dogmatic dicriminations against NT's which my parents

are and your tactfull defence of slave owners, your moderation of me

would be socialistic. Hitler was a smart man like you to, burn my

book known as my posts by not allowing me to rightfully speak

against your hate of people.

You hate N.T's, you put them down and you are a social bully. How

would people with autism ever be accepted if even children learned

and copies your hate superioristic talk about them. Your not a good

example and fairly thick headed if you don't understand the

filiciousness of what your talking about.

Put me on moderation and I'm out of here. You got to be a bafoon if

you think you should be respected for what your spewing sometimes.

It's just hate, I dare you put me on moderation.

>

>

> In a message dated 12/17/2006 7:02:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> nathaninfortuna@... writes:

>

> has gone as far as defending slave owners treatment of

African

> Americans. As if they were treated so kindly by there white

masters working sde by

> side. I just can't respect him for his defence of a time when

human rights

> violations were ignored, the essencial liberties of black

americans

> non-existent and arragont remarks about Yankee propaganda against

slavery.

>

> I think if Sir. in his prestige and now clear reverse

> discrimination against N.T's is an accepted philosphy I'd prefer

to be no longer here.

> Really, it's a bad representation of the leadership of this group.

>

> When he speaks of N.T's and damns this so called neuro-

typological group

> it's shows his ignorance. The pattern of behaviour is quite

clear, the man

> is discrimatory towards multiple groups, the last the N.T group

which includes

> the great majority of people. It's a pumpus attitude of a

superiorist

> narcisist and needs to be spoken against.

>

>

>

> , Give it a rest. I stood down from discussing this with you

but you

> obviously won't let go. You insist on twisting my words and

continuing to

> insult me.

>

> Therefore, since you show you can not behave with decorum, if you

act like

> this again, I will put you on moderation.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your hate towards the so called N.T's is very evident. Likely the

collective maniestation of all the wrongs commited against you when

you were growing up, maybe you were bullied and not you take it out on

the N.T concept, which is not real, its a psychological source for

despelling your sub-councious frustrations, dislikes and re-sourcing

it as your own superioristic narcistic way of saying your better then

them. Your ideology is better, the N.T's are fualty becuase they

diagnosed you and you want to diagnose them.

Your mellow dramitic saying I threatened you, your the kind to say

speaking against you is some sort of harrassment, it's a higher ed

mellow drama hypercondriam. I threatened you only in how you percieve,

in how you think and minifest your social dispondency, so that you

might see yourself for that which you are interpreted.

You clearly state a superiority over others, the so called N.T's in

concept, the vast majority of others. It's really a hatefull

philosoph, one that like you others have been known to spout. It's

part of your attitude and now your backing off from it.

The founding fathers were criminals, by todays standards even allowing

slavery would be seen as human rights violations. Which they would be

brought before the world court on.

" some of their behavior is

> puzzling and disgusting "

There you go spouting your superioristic observation over other human

beings, as if you are not yourself disgusting, you are very judgemental.

You defeanded slave owners, then you say I am twisting it and call

negativity basically the propaganda by the yankee's. You argue slaves

worked side by side with their masters, proclaiming the hardy-ness of

criminal acts. You tolerate the criminal acts, defend them and polish

it's image.

Read about the under ground railroad, I wonder why they wanted to

leave, huh. Lincon and the north defeated it, it was a civil war and

the nation was re-formulated.

Now you try to frame me, saying I have been moderated before. Only

once when TOM himself didnt agree with the issue of medical M.J for

the disabled and called it illegal basically to speak about it.

Illegal drugs are drugs which are not approved and rendered illegal.

Medical M.J which I was banned for speaking about it is indeed legal.

As a Californian not being able to speak about it dispite the popular

vote making it legal my freedoms of speech in this group previously

were violated.

You need to check yourself, why don't you think about that

which you defend which resulted in the great damages of future

generations. You should think about the true illogicality in your

bright genuis mind concerning the grand subjectivity of the NT

conceptology.

THINK about your stereotypes and discriminations against the very poor

who collect welfare.

you attacked me personally as well, stop being so innocent and

the victim. Your a moderator and your behaviours insulting me in any

way no matter my words show your unprofessionality.

I say again, think about that which you have said these past few days.

IF you don't see anything wrong with it, then your damn ignorant.

>

>

> In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:50:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> nathaninfortuna@... writes:

>

> I don't believe the move will be wise on your part.

>

>

> So, you respond to a request for civility with threats? You also

continue to

> cling to your misinterpretation of my words. Then you have the nerve

to say

> that my asking for civility is akin to Hitler.

>

> " You hate N.T's, you put them down and you are a social bully. "

>

>

> Now you put words in my mouth. I don't hate NTs, some of their

behavior is

> puzzling and disgusting, but I never said that I hated them. You

call me a

> bully because I dared to question you. You spouted off against the

Founding

> Fathers so I added some fact about slavery, which you twisted into

support FOR

> slavery, which it was not. I tried to show you how we could not

have the current

> system without the mistakes of the past, but responded to this with

more

> twisting of my words and added personal attacks.

>

> " It's just hate, I dare you put me on moderation. "

>

> Just what are you going to do if I do? I don't recall you doing

anything

> the other times you have been put on moderation, by Tom and other

moderators.

> Just what are you going to do? Please tell me, tell all of us, just

what you

> are going to do.

>

[Guest guest]

Alright ,

was NOT saying that slavery was a good thing. He was simply

explaining why it is we had slavery to begin with and how it was

advantagious to have it back then (though it was morally wrong).

Additionally, had YOU bothered to learn as much history as he did,

you would discover that he was factually correct in terms of who

owned slaves and how they were treated. What he stated on this board

is what I learned in school.

If what he and I both learned is incorrect, then blame the schools.

Not or I. We can only base our opinions on the facts we

learned.

As for welfare, points out correctly how the system is

deesigned to keep people on the public dole rather than help them

off of it. In past posts he has stated that such programs ought to

be there for those who need it. In recent posts he has simply stated

that the programs should not be there for those who do NOT need it.

Ignorance, , is when soeone who simply does not like the FACTS

offered by others starts name-calling and stating that the person

who has provided the facts is ignorant.

Let's drop the subject now.

Tom

Administrator

The welfare system already has job placement assistence. It's when

consumers are hard to place and require more accomodation that it

seems to fail.

has gone as far as defending slave owners treatment of

African Americans. As if they were treated so kindly by there white

masters working sde by side. I just can't respect him for his

defence of a time when human rights violations were ignored, the

essencial liberties of black americans non-existent and arragont

remarks about Yankee propaganda against slavery.

I think if Sir. in his prestige and now clear reverse

discrimination against N.T's is an accepted philosphy I'd prefer to

be no longer here. Really, it's a bad representation of the

leadership of this group.

When he speaks of N.T's and damns this so called neuro-typological

group it's shows his ignorance. The pattern of behaviour is quite

clear, the man is discrimatory towards multiple groups, the last the

N.T group which includes the great majority of people. It's a pumpus

attitude of a superiorist narcisist and needs to be spoken against.

[Guest guest]

" It's just hate, I dare you put me on moderation. "

You don't have to dare .

I will do it.

Congratulations.

You are on moderation.

And let me tell you why you are :

1) You have a habit of wanting your opinions to be heard. That is

fine. But when people disagree with your opinions, then you get

nasty.

2) Additionally, you don't seem to actually LISTEN to what other

people are saying.

A) has stated repeatedly that slavery is wrong and that

welfare is good for those who need it, but

All you hear is that he stated that it is not entirely true that

every slave was beaten and that everyone who is on welfare needs to

be there.

3) You have a tendency to hang around on other boards and come here

when the going gets rough somewhere else, and, ebven though I

welcome you back each time with no hard feelings it isn't long

before you start stirring up trouble here.

I am trying to run a decent set of forums here and I am tired of you

popping in periodically only to stir things up and then leave.

So please either try to get along, or else stay away.

Tom

Administrator