We need to RISE above our limitations!

[Guest guest]

's note on the ADA, which I got in May, is the reason why the

United States needs an amendment to the Constitution granting

universal rights to people with disabilities, especially those with

Asperger's Syndrome.

With mid-term elections coming up in November, I would like to ask

that all our members in the United States to work to vote ALL SOCIAL

CONSERVATIVES out of office. The reason why we don't have as many

rights as the insensitive, uncaring NTs is becasue the social

conservatives who serve in Congress have sat on their rear ends and

not worked toward strengthening the ADA. It is absolutely ridiculous

for our Congress to work on an amendment banning gay marriages

and " immigration reform " when the priority here is to protect OUR

rights. Our right to work without threats of retaliation. Our right

to enjoy the freedoms granted to everyone else. Our right to

economic self-sufficiency and security. For many of us, we need an

amendment to the U.S. Constitution protecting OUR rights.

We need to rise above our limitations...accepting such limitations

amounts to nothing more than defeat. And we need laws that help us,

not hurt us, NOW!

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In a message dated 6/24/2006 9:30:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, BSTL@... writes:

It is absolutely ridiculous for our Congress to work on an amendment banning gay marriages and "immigration reform" when the priority here is to protect OUR rights. Our right to work without threats of retaliation. Our right to enjoy the freedoms granted to everyone else. Our right to economic self-sufficiency and security. For many of us, we need an amendment to the U.S. Constitution protecting OUR rights.

How incredibly selfish! To think that we so few in number deserve to take priority and prefence over the rest of the nation. A Constitutional Amendment for AS? That's just plain not going to happen, nor should it.

(quote) We need to rise above our limitations...accepting such limitations amounts to nothing more than defeat. And we need laws that help us, not hurt us, NOW!

And just how is a law on a book somehere going to help us overcome our limitations? It isn't. All it is going to do is to create yet another favored class to be hated by everyone else. We won't be seen as unique, but rather as another group of losers who can't make it without Big Brother forcing employers to hire them.

You want a law to help us? Talk the Departments of Education and Health and Human Services. Lobby for the creation of socializing courses for people with AS and other like disabilities. That would only affect us and not force laws on other people, people who, if more of us had the proper social skills, could be convinced that we do count even if we aren't quite standard.

It is going to take Aspies doing this work, to make ourselves accepted. It is going to take work on our part. Not voting out a party that "isn't" helping us in favor of another one that will create a larger problem and make captive voters of many of our kind in the process. Working on an individual basis to better ourselves is what is going to help in the long run. Screaming for political favoritism is only going to hurt us.

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,

I think it is ANTI-AMERICAN to let our elected officials sit on

their collective duffs and let us fall further behind everyone else.

We have worked VERY HARD for our right to the Pursuit of Happiness,

and you want us to have NOTHING to show for it? We need our rights

assured, and the only way to do that is through an amendment to the

Constitution of the United States not only protecting those with AS,

but those with ALL DISABILITIES.

In the eyes of the law, when you have AS, you are disabled. Keeping

the Republicans in charge of our political life has impeded progress

on this issue; the Democrats have worked hard on our behalf for

stronger laws protecting OUR rights. Don't you think it's worth it

to fight for our rights? These limitations are not just imposed by

stupid, insensitive and uncaring NTs...they are imposed by a

government which doesn't care about our rights, that WE ARE

RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO. It is NOT going to create the " favored

class " you're brainwashed into believing by the extreme right

wingers running this country into the ground, we are not a " bunch of

losers " . I believe that private industry CANNOT SELF-REGULATE; they

have done a ridiculously poor job, especially of hiring qualified

personnel. They have to be educated on AS, and the only way to do

that is through requiring AS education.

I'm right on this one...you're DEAD WRONG.

True American

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In a message dated 6/27/2006 10:14:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, ravenmagic2003@... writes:

With rights come certain responsibilities. What rights do you think you do now have and what responsibilities do you undertake to support those rights? The government can't legislate certain things you know.

Rights do indeed have responsbilities, something that has been forgotten these days.

I too found the "True American" signature to be unfair and indeed laughable to the point it didn't even register until I read your post. American history is one of self-reliance and individualism. It wasn't about demanding the government give everyone everything. The Founders didn't go to war with England for cradle to grave welfare, nationalized healthcare and the "right" to a job. That's just silly.

Normally I wouldn't even bother with such a benighted person, but they are so common these days the Democrats might actually have a chance at coming back. More's the pity

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In a message dated 6/30/2006 1:03:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

I've been visiting my sister for a week. Sorry I forgot to tell all of you this. But now that I am back, let me just say that it's clear that while could indeed have stated what he did much better, it is fairly clear to me that he was not bashing democrats. He has in the past made statements both for and against Democrats and Republicans and has never bashed a person soley based on political affiliation.Tom

Again, I used 's own descriptions of myself and Republicans back at him. Just look at his post and you will see it all there.

[Guest guest]

I've been visiting my sister for a week. Sorry I forgot to tell all

of you this. But now that I am back, let me just say that it's clear

that while could indeed have stated what he did much better,

it is fairly clear to me that he was not bashing democrats. He has in

the past made statements both for and against Democrats and

Republicans and has never bashed a person soley based on political

affiliation.

Tom

Re: Re: We need to RISE above our " limitations " !

In a message dated 6/28/2006 12:12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dksunglsses@... writes:

Now wait a second I am a Democrat and Im not an NT I resent

that. I don't call you a stupid NT cause your a Republican now do I,

How about we stop, attacking people personally. I purposely haven't

been responding to a lot of this because I know my views are

diametrically opposed to yours, and I didn't want to start a fight,

but I will not stand down when I feel like I am being called out, so

please stop. Discuss the issues not the politics of the issues,

making everything right and left and we will have no arguement.

Thank you,

Beth

Beth,

Read the post I was responding to. Those were all things he said

about Republicans in general or me specifically. If you want to start

a fight with anyone, look at . I simply turned his own comments

back on him.

BTW, I'm not Republican, though I used to be. They have been most

disappointing on issues from spending to immigration and bascially

turned their backs on their core principles. So, I'm more of a

Conservative than a Republican.

[Guest guest]

I've been visiting my sister for a week. Sorry I forgot to tell all

of you this. But now that I am back, let me just say that it's clear

that while could indeed have stated what he did much better,

it is fairly clear to me that he was not bashing democrats. He has in

the past made statements both for and against Democrats and

Republicans and has never bashed a person soley based on political

affiliation.

Tom

Re: Re: We need to RISE above our " limitations " !

In a message dated 6/28/2006 12:12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dksunglsses@... writes:

Now wait a second I am a Democrat and Im not an NT I resent

that. I don't call you a stupid NT cause your a Republican now do I,

How about we stop, attacking people personally. I purposely haven't

been responding to a lot of this because I know my views are

diametrically opposed to yours, and I didn't want to start a fight,

but I will not stand down when I feel like I am being called out, so

please stop. Discuss the issues not the politics of the issues,

making everything right and left and we will have no arguement.

Thank you,

Beth

Beth,

Read the post I was responding to. Those were all things he said

about Republicans in general or me specifically. If you want to start

a fight with anyone, look at . I simply turned his own comments

back on him.

BTW, I'm not Republican, though I used to be. They have been most

disappointing on issues from spending to immigration and bascially

turned their backs on their core principles. So, I'm more of a

Conservative than a Republican.

[Guest guest]

maurice wrote:

> If you don't force business to give you a job, and business doesn't want

> to give you a job, how are going to get the job?

If an employer will not give you a job then look somewhere else. If no

employer will give you a job look at yourself. Are you over valuing

yourself? Are you presenting the best image you can? What can YOU do to

improve your chances? How can YOU put the odds in your favor. If you

think you need the government to order an employer to hire you then the

problem is you, and only you can decide to change that.

No government can ever force a business to hire a specific individual.

No government ever has or ever will. All they can do is offer incentives

or at the most extreme order a business to hire a quota of handicapped

or special needs people.

Individual businesses always retain the right to make choices. Without

that there would be no individual businesses. Businesses will always

hire qualified people if they are in need of more workers. No government

intervention will help in any way except by offering to pay a portion of

a less qualified person's wages.

We don't need more government interference. We don't want more laws.

Ace.

[Guest guest]

Give the corporations an ultimatum. Hire qualified Aspies or lose the business. It's as simple as that. Small business should always have the right to hire whoever they please. That's important. Corporations, on the other hand must be forced to have a psychopathic screening test to find out who in the work place is a liar and a thief. That idea has already been proposed by a Doctor who made the PCL-R checklist. Aspies are more qualified and have more value yet we aren't promoted or even given a job. Go ahead and look somewhere else and deny that fact Ace. acsnag@... wrote: maurice wrote:> If you don't force business to give you a job, and business doesn't want > to give you a job, how are going to get the job?If an employer will not give you a job then look somewhere else. If no employer will give you a job look at yourself. Are you over valuing yourself? Are you presenting the best image you can? What can YOU do to improve your chances? How can YOU put the odds in your favor. If you think you need the government to order an employer to hire you then the problem is you, and only you can decide to change that.No government can ever force a business to hire a specific individual. No government ever has or ever will. All they can do is offer incentives or at the most extreme order a business to hire a quota of handicapped or special needs people.Individual businesses always retain the right to make

choices. Without that there would be no individual businesses. Businesses will always hire qualified people if they are in need of more workers. No government intervention will help in any way except by offering to pay a portion of a less qualified person's wages.We don't need more government interference. We don't want more laws.Ace.

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nick wrote:

>

>

> Give the corporations an ultimatum. Hire qualified Aspies or lose the

> business. It's as simple as that. Small business should always have the

> right to hire whoever they please. That's important. Corporations, on

> the other hand must be forced to have a psychopathic screening test to

> find out who in the work place is a liar and a thief. That idea has

> already been proposed by a Doctor who made the PCL-R checklist. Aspies

> are more qualified and have more value yet we aren't promoted or even

> given a job. Go ahead and look somewhere else and deny that fact Ace.

>

This is completely unrealistic and could never possibly work. Businesses

already hire qualified aspies. Businesses hire qualified people. Period!

A psychopathic screening test, how absurd.

To say aspies are more qualified is an insult. More qualified than whom?

More qualified at what? Do you have any understanding what qualified

means? Would you say an aspie with a high school eeducation is more

qualified to run a nuclear plant than a nuclear physicist? How about

more qualified at fixing copiers than a professionally trained copier

technician. Who would you prefer to have at the controls of a 747, an

untrained aspie or a skilled trained pilot? If you needed open heart

surgery, who would you pick an unskilled aspie or a highly skilled and

trained heart surgeon.

Aspies who are qualified for a particular job get hired for that job.

Anyone, aspie or otherwise who walks into an interview with a defeatist

attitude or a chip on their shoulder will probably not get hired

regardless of their qualifications.

Ace

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nick wrote:

> People will awaken

> from their bovine indifference to aspies by that force and they'll have

> to choose sides. Aspies have the potential of making a good influence.

What in the world is cattle indifference? There is nothing to choose

sides about. Aspies are people like all others. They have pretty much

the same potential for making a good influence as anyone else. The best

thing we as aspies can do is to not see ourselves as separate from

everyone else. It's never us against them.

Ace

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maurice wrote:

> What if the problem is that I exercise any type of minority right or

> lifestyle choice, in my own life and of no relevance to my ability to

> do the job, that employers are all agreed on disapproving of and

> wanting to stop folks doing?

What the hell does that mean. Employers are people, they are never all

agreed on anything, disproving or otherwise. Employers as a general rule

don't judge applicants based on what they do outside of work.

>

> They want you to spend your whole life saying " pleezy pleezy I'm

> turning myself into everything YOU want and approve of " , instead of

> living as your fulfilled self. Can't you see how that's a calculated

> trick? and has been ever since the landless industrial economy formed,

> C18?

Say what????????????????????

>

> If you say " the problem is you " , you are backing dictatorial power

> exercised economically to order us how to live. Square that with each

> principle of democracy you have ever been familiar with. What if the

> problem is you are a trade unionist, a land rights activist (in South

> America), or an environmental campaigner against a big project by a

> multinational that has got all the local businesses in its pay and

> anxious to keep its favour? Then " the problem is you " turns free

> society itself entirely into a lie.

You are simply making a lame excuse for not taking responsibility for

yourself. What does any of this have to do with being aspie? THE PROBLEM

IS YOU AND YOUR DEFEATIST ATTITUDE. Nothing else!!!!!!

Ace

[Guest guest]

Ace,

Tom here. You both make good points. Here is a suggestion for

continuing the conversation:

Continue stating points, but without accusing anyone of anything or

name calling.

Thanks.

Tom

Administrator

You are simply making a lame excuse for not taking responsibility for

yourself. What does any of this have to do with being aspie? THE PROBLEM

IS YOU AND YOUR DEFEATIST ATTITUDE. Nothing else!!!!!!

Ace

[Guest guest]

" Aspies are people like all others. "

We are different in some ways. We cannot deny our AS. But I agree with

what you have written below in its entirety.

Tom

Administrator

" They have pretty much the same potential for making a good influence

as anyone else. The best thing we as aspies can do is to not see

ourselves as separate from everyone else. It's never us against them.

Ace "

[Guest guest]

You made several good points Ace. I'm in agreement with all of them except one. The PCL-R 5 is not absurd. It is a way of finding non-productive parasites in the workplace. I think you over-value your opinion Ace. You're examples are generalized. Go look up the definition. Actually, just forget it Ace. How juvenile of you to say an idea from a qualified psychologist about psychopathy is absurd and unrealistic. Go look up the PCL-R 5. Or not. The truth may be too much for you. Go ahead and pervert the concept to fulfill an aggressive urge. Your'e only fooling yourself Ace. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> > > Give the corporations an ultimatum. Hire qualified Aspies or lose the > business. It's as simple as that. Small business should always have the > right to hire whoever they please. That's important. Corporations, on > the other hand must be forced to have a psychopathic screening test to > find out who in the work place is a liar and a thief. That idea has > already been proposed by a Doctor who made the PCL-R checklist. Aspies > are more qualified and have more value yet we aren't promoted or even > given a job. Go ahead and look somewhere else and deny that fact Ace.> This is completely unrealistic and could never possibly work. Businesses already hire qualified aspies. Businesses hire qualified people. Period! A psychopathic screening test, how absurd.To say

aspies are more qualified is an insult. More qualified than whom? More qualified at what? Do you have any understanding what qualified means? Would you say an aspie with a high school eeducation is more qualified to run a nuclear plant than a nuclear physicist? How about more qualified at fixing copiers than a professionally trained copier technician. Who would you prefer to have at the controls of a 747, an untrained aspie or a skilled trained pilot? If you needed open heart surgery, who would you pick an unskilled aspie or a highly skilled and trained heart surgeon.Aspies who are qualified for a particular job get hired for that job. Anyone, aspie or otherwise who walks into an interview with a defeatist attitude or a chip on their shoulder will probably not get hired regardless of their qualifications.Ace

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You seem to have good ideals Ace. I stole the phrase, "bovine indifference" from Ayn Rand. I don't know where she got it. If you don't know who Ayn Rand is go look it up. There it is again. You're generalizing. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> People will awaken > from their bovine indifference to aspies by that force and they'll have > to choose sides. Aspies have the potential of making a good influence.What in the world is cattle indifference? There is nothing to choose sides about. Aspies are people like

all others. They have pretty much the same potential for making a good influence as anyone else. The best thing we as aspies can do is to not see ourselves as separate from everyone else. It's never us against them.Ace

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[Guest guest]

Mmmmmmmm interesting thoughts, but rather than ultimations if awarness

was raised about the potential of Aspie workers perhaps that would be a

better idea?

>

> Give the corporations an ultimatum. Hire qualified Aspies or lose the

business. It's as simple as that. Small business should always have the

right to hire whoever they please. That's important. Corporations, on

the other hand must be forced to have a psychopathic screening test to

find out who in the work place is a liar and a thief. That idea has

already been proposed by a Doctor who made the PCL-R checklist. Aspies

are more qualified and have more value yet we aren't promoted or even

given a job. Go ahead and look somewhere else and deny that fact Ace.

>

>

[Guest guest]

People would fake it in order to get jobs. Awareness of the good instead of the bad would be outstanding. I'm not holding my breath on that one though. If one looks at the nature of people one might understand how Aspies have a natural enemy and it is "us against them" when referring to workers who con their way up the ladder. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Mmmmmmmm interesting thoughts, but rather than ultimations if awarness was raised about the potential of Aspie workers perhaps that

would be a better idea?>> Give the corporations an ultimatum. Hire qualified Aspies or lose the business. It's as simple as that. Small business should always have the right to hire whoever they please. That's important. Corporations, on the other hand must be forced to have a psychopathic screening test to find out who in the work place is a liar and a thief. That idea has already been proposed by a Doctor who made the PCL-R checklist. Aspies are more qualified and have more value yet we aren't promoted or even given a job. Go ahead and look somewhere else and deny that fact Ace. > >

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