Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 " Not all shades of blue are the same and certain hues and tints are responsible for that however that does not stop people from pointing to the sky and espousing that they believe the sky is most assuredly and absolutely, definitely, without a doubt ... blue. " And at night it is black and starry, in winter it can be slate gray, and at sunset it can be pink and red, and before a tornado it can be yellow or green, but most people do not remember those things when you ask them what color the sky is. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hello Raven, Tom, and everyone, I said: > " If we cannot go by what the people who invented the >term " Asperger Syndrome " say it means, then by what definition can we >use to determine whether we are aspie or not? " Then Raven responded: >Well, Zylon, when a number of professionals claim that something is >fact and it is later proven otherwise, their definition is understood >to be inaccurate. So, although non-Aspies created a basic definition >of Asperger Syndrome, their definitions have been proven inaccurate by >persons with AS ... not only those in the general population but also >those who are considered to be colleagues of these non-Aspies. If the definition of AS does not refer to you, then you are by definition not AS, therefore, your reference to " persons with AS " cannot refer to you.. Thinking about this semantic problem, I have figured out that the definition of AS is anyone who psychiatrists say are AS, nothing more at first.. Then, those people who have been so defined would make up their definition of what they want AS to mean, and that would become the new definition of AS. Only then could aspie and NT definitions of AS differ. So far, I am still asking what AS means, and here I am asking of people who call themselves Aspies. All I can say is that I am definitely not NT (which does seem to be defined), but neither are those with some other conditions, such as Syndrome. (I also definitely am not WS either). Before I ever heard the term " Asperger " , I refered to myself (and my brother) as " Martian syndrome " , simply meaning someone whose instincts are different from majority humans, and who would do just fine in a world of their own kind. Zylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 " So far, I am still asking what AS means, and here I am asking of people who call themselves Aspies. " This is the official definition: Information About Asperger's Syndome Source : Health Section ExpressNewsline.com Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section ExpressNewsline.com Asperger's Syndrome was first identified in 1944 by Dr. Hans Asperger, a Viennese pediatrician. Dr. Asperger identified a number of children (mostly boys) with a cluster of traits that included egocentricity, difficulties with social interaction, clumsiness (including problems with both fine and gross motor control), and pronounced language peculiarities. Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder that is often described as a milder variant of autistic disorder, and both conditions are grouped under the broad diagnostic category of autistic spectrum disorders, or pervasive developmental disorders. Pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs) are marked by significant impairment in several areas of development, especially those involving social interaction, language development, and communication skills. Those who have characteristics of PDDs there is a wide range of intelligence, abilities, and adaptive or maladaptive behaviors. There is a pedantic, monotonic speech pattern, usually focused on a particularly narrow area of interest. Those with Asperger's Syndrome usually function at a fairly high level. The line between Asperger's and high-functioning autism is not clearly marked, and many individuals who manifest autistic traits but who have well-developed language skills are diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome. Individuals with Asperger's usually begin to show symptoms after age three, and the average age of diagnosis is about eleven. The symptoms of autism, on the other hand, usually manifest before age two. In both conditions, however, the underlying brain abnormalities are present from birth. It is likely that Asperger's Syndrome is less readily diagnosed because its symptoms are less pervasive and severe, and also because many U.S. physicians are unfamiliar with the condition, though it has been recognized in Europe for almost sixty years. Because individuals with Asperger's have normal cognitive abilities and less severe deficits in social and communication skills, the outcome for Asperger's is usually more positive than it is for all but the most high-functioning cases of autism. But people with Asperger's are usually more physically clumsy than autistic individuals, which is part of the distinction between the two syndromes. An individual with Asperger's will usually have a higher verbal IQ relative to his or her performance IQ, whereas in autism the reverse is usually true. The extreme limitation in areas of interest is also more prominent in Asperger's than in autism. However, there is still a fair amount of controversy over the issue of the precise relationship between autism and Asperger's. As spectrum disorders, they are placed on a continuum, and depending upon the number and severity of symptoms, may be subjectively defined as " high-functioning " or " low-functioning " or as " mild " or " severe. " Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section ExpressNewsline.com Asperger's Syndrome is a neurobiological disorder in the autism spectrum. The name Asperger's syndrome comes from the psychiatrist Hans Asperger's paper written in 1944. The term is used to describe certain patients who have never been easy to classify but who seem to constitute a recognizable type of autistic individual. The discovery of autism was credited to Leo Kanner in 1943. Kanner was an Austrian who immigrated to the United States in 1924. Asperger, also an Austrian, remained in Vienna. They both worked independently and by coincidence described the same type of disturbed child and used the term autism. There is a great deal of overlap between Asperger's and Kanner's views of autism, they are mostly in agreement on all the major features. The features described first by Asperger were oddities of non-verbal communication; eye gaze, gestures, posture, voice quality, prosody and word choice. He also highlighted lack of humor and pedantry. There is much to be learnt about Asperger's Syndrome, our knowledge is still patchy. However, a consistent picture is beginning to emerge. Following are the six diagnostic criteria based on Asperger's paper in 1944. 1) Speech- no delay, odd content, pedantic, stereotyped. 2) Non-verbal communication- little facial expression, monotone voice, inappropriate gestures. 3) Social Interactions-not reciprocal, lacking in empathy 4) Resistance to change-enjoys repetitive activities 5) Motor co-ordination- gait and posture odd, gross movements, clumsy, sometimes stereotypes 6) Skills and interests- good rote memory, circumscribed special interests. Children with Asperger's Syndrome show impairments in cognition. This has an affect on the child's play, language, sociability and academic achievement. The have difficulties in extracting a meaningful whole from what they see and hear. Cognitive Difficulties. The more complex the environment the more difficulty they have in extracting vital information. Sociability. They usually want to be sociable but often go about this the wrong way. They often appear rude, shy or overfriendly. They can be distressed when hurt or ignored but have little idea about how they are sending out the wrong signals for friendships to develop. Also, they can behave appropriate when left on their own but become overwhelmed by large groups. Language. Children with Asperger's make literal interpretations of other peoples' conversations and can over react to comments. Other people's teasing and sarcasm can distress them, although they may learn to use it themselves. They rarely make the connection between the harm they inflict on others and that directed towards them. They are often impulsive saying things that others only dare think. This can make them sound arrogant, rude or hurtful. They acquire language through memory rather than meaning and tend to convey messages obliquely. Play. Asperger's children understand that toys represent real objects but often have problems with more abstract substitutions or omissions. They often have a poor imagination and find it difficult to role- play. Identifying problematic conditions helps to ensure that specialist provision can be made for all those involved. There is a case to be made against the use of labels. The term `diagnosogenesis' has been used to describe a process of labeling where a person given the label creates or exacerbates the disorder. However, an equally powerful plea for the diagnosis of autistic spectrum disorders is that knowing someone has the disorder will tell you how to treat and teach that person. Needs that are not recognized or met can lead to a lifetime of misery. Not so long ago, autistic spectrum disorders were blamed on the mother. It was claimed that children became withdrawn and autistic because of a lack of maternal attention when very young. The term `refrigerator mother' was coined. Fortunately, it is now known that this accusation was false. The actual cause of autism is still uncertain but it is believed to be of genetic source. Often members of the same family will have the syndrome. It is also found to be more common in males than females and is rarely recognized before the child is three years old. More recent therapies have included a gluten-free diet, although it has not been proved to be affective. It takes time and understanding to improve the quality of life for an autistic spectrum disorder child. There are many useful resources for information both in books and on the internet. It is often helpful to join groups and associations who can offer support and advice. Many children with Asperger's Syndrome find school difficult, although it is often possible for them to attend mainstream school. They concentrate better in smaller groups and may need extra explanation of what work is expected of them. Routine and structure is important to them and anxiety can occur if this is disrupted. Unstructured moments of the day, such as playtime, can cause the most problems. They will need extra supervision as they are often teased or bullied by other children. The best strategy to avoid problems seems to be protection rather than exposure. Unwanted behaviors at home may be diminished by the use of a behavior chart. Recording behaviors, when they occur, what triggered them and what happened afterwards, can give cares a greater understanding of why the behaviors occurred. A strategy can then be worked out on how to prevent the unwanted behaviors re-occurring. A clearly presented behavior chart is also a useful tool to explain to the child which behaviors are acceptable and which are not. Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section ExpressNewsline.com Diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome is made in terms of one or both of two main sets of diagnostic criteria: the DSM-IV criteria, and Gillberg's criteria (published by Swedish psychiatrist Gillberg). THE DSM-IV DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S SYNDROME (A) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following: 1. marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction 2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level 3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people) 4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity. ( Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following: 1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus 2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, non-functional routines or rituals 3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements) 4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects © The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. (D) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years) (E) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood. (F) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia. GILLBERG'S CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S SYNDROME 1. Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following) (a) inability to interact with peers ( lack of desire to interact with peers © lack of appreciation of social cues (d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior 2. All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following) (a) exclusion of other activities ( repetitive adherence © more rote than meaning 3. Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following) (a) on self, in aspects of life ( on others 4. Speech and language problems (at least three of the following) (a) delayed development ( superficially perfect expressive language © formal, pedantic language (d) odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics (e) impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings 5. Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following) (a) limited use of gestures ( clumsy/gauche body language © limited facial expression (d) inappropriate expression (e) peculiar, stiff gaze 6. Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination (All six criteria must be met for confirmation of diagnosis.) There is no specific treatment or cure for any of the PDDs, including Asperger's Syndrome. However, early diagnosis is essential, for the earlier intervention is initiated, the more promising the outcome. Treatment is individualized, based on specific symptoms and rehabilitative requirements. Appropriate educational programs will emphasize improving communication skills and social interaction, enhancing academic development, modifying maladaptive behaviors, encouraging adaptive behaviors, improving physical coordination, and developing daily living skills. Social skills are more effectively developed through interaction with normal peers, who then can also serve as models of appropriate behavior and use of language. But the educational environment must also be structured and consistent, and information should be presented visually as well as verbally. In order to help the child with Asperger's to generalize behaviors and skills learned at school, they need also to be reinforced at home. Thus parental involvement is absolutely essential to an integrated developmental program for an Asperger's child. Intervention may also require medication, including psychostimulants, tricyclic antidepressants, and beta-blockers. As the individual with Asperger's enters adulthood, he or she may also need specialized adult support services in order to locate and maintain employment and living arrangements. This is not to suggest that there is any cognitive impairment in the Asperger's individual. On the contrary, those with Asperger's have no clinically significant delay in language development or in cognitive abilities. Many with Asperger's are of average intelligence, but many are actually highly gifted and even brilliant. People with Asperger's often obtain one or more college degrees, and they may become mathematicians, philosophers, scientists, university professors, etc. But adult functioning usually requires some degree of communication skill and social adaptability, and these are notably lacking in Asperger's Syndrome, which is why adult support services are often helpful or even necessary. What else is often lacking is comprehension of the nonliteral aspects of language, especially spoken language. Just as they miss nonverbal signals when interacting with others, people with Asperger's usually are stymied by humor, irony, metaphor, or any other use of language that goes beyond literal meaning. This makes normal interaction with coworkers or acquaintances difficult. Of all the pervasive developmental disorders, Asperger's Syndrome has the most positive prognosis, and children with Asperger's more often than not become independently functioning adults. However, their social impairments often lead to psychological difficulties, including poor self-image and depression, and as adults their social interactions will continue to be marked by typical Asperger's disturbances, though usually in more subtle form if intervention has been initiated early and successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Previously I never suspected I was AS, it took others to point it out to me - but of course they were opinions - so I researched. I did not automatically accept anything, I weighed things up and gathered lots of different opinions and info'. Before I was diagnosed I would not call myself aspie - that was my personal choice. I don't mind others self diagnosing - but my way of thinking was if I suspect I have flu, I go to the doctors to confirm or not my suspicions. I was the same with Aspergers. I suspected I had it - I could see traits (like one would see symptoms of flu) but I was not 100% sure - I needed to know - to be certain and that is when I sought out a professional. Neither would I see just anyone, I sought out seeing a professional that dealt with Aspergers, one who had knowledge in this area. Also to some extent views can change. At one point autism was came under phycosis - people (including professionals) now know this is not the case; although sometimes you can still come across some ignorant idiots that still believe such :-( Also austism used to be blamed on refrigerator mums - mothers not showing emotion towards their children, this too is now known to be false. It is also rapidly becoming accepted that those on the spectrum do have empathy it used to be believed they did not - now people are realising that people on the spectrum do not always show things such as empathy in a way others can understand, but that doesn't mean it isn't there :-) Shall I continue :-) Ahhhhhhhhhhh I think I shall :-) , one more point - it used to be considered those with autism were less intelligent - retarded in some way - this is not always (or dare I say often) the case. It is a matter of misperception by non autistics - like they often think because someone is not verbal then they must lack intelligence - did they never watch the wizard of oz? recall the scarecrow without a brain but spouted verbally anyway :-) I guess the problem for the non autistics was how to measure intelligence - non autistics make way too many assumptions for my liking. Mmmmmmm rant over :-) > > > Hello Raven, Tom, and everyone, > I said: > > " If we cannot go by what the people who invented the > >term " Asperger Syndrome " say it means, then by what definition can we > >use to determine whether we are aspie or not? " > > Then Raven responded: > >Well, Zylon, when a number of professionals claim that something is > >fact and it is later proven otherwise, their definition is understood > >to be inaccurate. So, although non-Aspies created a basic definition > >of Asperger Syndrome, their definitions have been proven inaccurate by > >persons with AS ... not only those in the general population but also > >those who are considered to be colleagues of these non-Aspies. > > If the definition of AS does not refer to you, then you are by definition > not AS, therefore, your reference to " persons with AS " cannot refer to you.. > Thinking about this semantic problem, I have figured out that the definition > of AS is anyone who psychiatrists say are AS, nothing more at first.. Then, > those people who have been so defined would make up their definition of what > they want AS to mean, and that would become the new definition of AS. Only > then could aspie and NT definitions of AS differ. > So far, I am still asking what AS means, and here I am asking of people who > call themselves Aspies. All I can say is that I am definitely not NT (which > does seem to be defined), but neither are those with some other conditions, > such as Syndrome. (I also definitely am not WS either). > Before I ever heard the term " Asperger " , I refered to myself (and my > brother) as " Martian syndrome " , simply meaning someone whose instincts are > different from majority humans, and who would do just fine in a world of > their own kind. > > Zylon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 " Kanner was an Austrian who immigrated to the United States in 1924. Asperger, also an Austrian, remained in Vienna. They both worked independently and by coincidence described the same type of disturbed child and used the term autism. " I am curious as to why they both used the term autism - what are the roots of this word, where has it come from? Just curious as ever :-) As for those with Aspergers being clumsy - well I can definitely agree with that personally - I covered in scrapes and bruises where I have walked into things or tripped over. Thing is in my house I don't tend to move furniture around, furniture has it's place and tends to stay in that place, however I still manage to walk into it :-( > > " So far, I am still asking what AS means, and here I am asking of > people who call themselves Aspies. " > > This is the official definition: > > Information About Asperger's Syndome > > Source : Health Section ExpressNewsline.com > > Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section > ExpressNewsline.com > > > Asperger's Syndrome was first identified in 1944 by Dr. Hans > Asperger, a Viennese pediatrician. Dr. Asperger identified a number > of children (mostly boys) with a cluster of traits that included > egocentricity, difficulties with social interaction, clumsiness > (including problems with both fine and gross motor control), and > pronounced language peculiarities. > > Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder that is often > described as a milder variant of autistic disorder, and both > conditions are grouped under the broad diagnostic category of > autistic spectrum disorders, or pervasive developmental disorders. > Pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs) are marked by significant > impairment in several areas of development, especially those > involving social interaction, language development, and > communication skills. > > Those who have characteristics of PDDs there is a wide range of > intelligence, abilities, and adaptive or maladaptive behaviors. > There is a pedantic, monotonic speech pattern, usually focused on a > particularly narrow area of interest. Those with Asperger's Syndrome > usually function at a fairly high level. The line between Asperger's > and high-functioning autism is not clearly marked, and many > individuals who manifest autistic traits but who have well- developed > language skills are diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome. > > Individuals with Asperger's usually begin to show symptoms after age > three, and the average age of diagnosis is about eleven. The > symptoms of autism, on the other hand, usually manifest before age > two. In both conditions, however, the underlying brain abnormalities > are present from birth. It is likely that Asperger's Syndrome is > less readily diagnosed because its symptoms are less pervasive and > severe, and also because many U.S. physicians are unfamiliar with > the condition, though it has been recognized in Europe for almost > sixty years. > > Because individuals with Asperger's have normal cognitive abilities > and less severe deficits in social and communication skills, the > outcome for Asperger's is usually more positive than it is for all > but the most high-functioning cases of autism. But people with > Asperger's are usually more physically clumsy than autistic > individuals, which is part of the distinction between the two > syndromes. An individual with Asperger's will usually have a higher > verbal IQ relative to his or her performance IQ, whereas in autism > the reverse is usually true. The extreme limitation in areas of > interest is also more prominent in Asperger's than in autism. > However, there is still a fair amount of controversy over the issue > of the precise relationship between autism and Asperger's. As > spectrum disorders, they are placed on a continuum, and depending > upon the number and severity of symptoms, may be subjectively > defined as " high-functioning " or " low-functioning " or as " mild " > or " severe. " > > Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section > ExpressNewsline.com > > Asperger's Syndrome is a neurobiological disorder in the autism > spectrum. The name Asperger's syndrome comes from the psychiatrist > Hans Asperger's paper written in 1944. The term is used to describe > certain patients who have never been easy to classify but who seem > to constitute a recognizable type of autistic individual. The > discovery of autism was credited to Leo Kanner in 1943. Kanner was > an Austrian who immigrated to the United States in 1924. Asperger, > also an Austrian, remained in Vienna. They both worked independently > and by coincidence described the same type of disturbed child and > used the term autism. > > There is a great deal of overlap between Asperger's and Kanner's > views of autism, they are mostly in agreement on all the major > features. The features described first by Asperger were oddities of > non-verbal communication; eye gaze, gestures, posture, voice > quality, prosody and word choice. He also highlighted lack of humor > and pedantry. > > There is much to be learnt about Asperger's Syndrome, our knowledge > is still patchy. However, a consistent picture is beginning to > emerge. Following are the six diagnostic criteria based on > Asperger's paper in 1944. > > 1) Speech- no delay, odd content, pedantic, stereotyped. > > 2) Non-verbal communication- little facial expression, monotone > voice, inappropriate gestures. > > 3) Social Interactions-not reciprocal, lacking in empathy > > 4) Resistance to change-enjoys repetitive activities > > 5) Motor co-ordination- gait and posture odd, gross movements, > clumsy, sometimes stereotypes > > 6) Skills and interests- good rote memory, circumscribed special > interests. > > Children with Asperger's Syndrome show impairments in cognition. > This has an affect on the child's play, language, sociability and > academic achievement. The have difficulties in extracting a > meaningful whole from what they see and hear. > > Cognitive Difficulties. > > The more complex the environment the more difficulty they have in > extracting vital information. > > Sociability. > > They usually want to be sociable but often go about this the wrong > way. They often appear rude, shy or overfriendly. They can be > distressed when hurt or ignored but have little idea about how they > are sending out the wrong signals for friendships to develop. Also, > they can behave appropriate when left on their own but become > overwhelmed by large groups. > > Language. > > Children with Asperger's make literal interpretations of other > peoples' conversations and can over react to comments. Other > people's teasing and sarcasm can distress them, although they may > learn to use it themselves. They rarely make the connection between > the harm they inflict on others and that directed towards them. They > are often impulsive saying things that others only dare think. This > can make them sound arrogant, rude or hurtful. They acquire language > through memory rather than meaning and tend to convey messages > obliquely. > > Play. > > Asperger's children understand that toys represent real objects but > often have problems with more abstract substitutions or omissions. > They often have a poor imagination and find it difficult to role- > play. > > Identifying problematic conditions helps to ensure that specialist > provision can be made for all those involved. There is a case to be > made against the use of labels. The term `diagnosogenesis' has been > used to describe a process of labeling where a person given the > label creates or exacerbates the disorder. However, an equally > powerful plea for the diagnosis of autistic spectrum disorders is > that knowing someone has the disorder will tell you how to treat and > teach that person. Needs that are not recognized or met can lead to > a lifetime of misery. > > Not so long ago, autistic spectrum disorders were blamed on the > mother. It was claimed that children became withdrawn and autistic > because of a lack of maternal attention when very young. The > term `refrigerator mother' was coined. Fortunately, it is now known > that this accusation was false. The actual cause of autism is still > uncertain but it is believed to be of genetic source. Often members > of the same family will have the syndrome. It is also found to be > more common in males than females and is rarely recognized before > the child is three years old. More recent therapies have included a > gluten-free diet, although it has not been proved to be affective. > > It takes time and understanding to improve the quality of life for > an autistic spectrum disorder child. There are many useful resources > for information both in books and on the internet. It is often > helpful to join groups and associations who can offer support and > advice. Many children with Asperger's Syndrome find school > difficult, although it is often possible for them to attend > mainstream school. They concentrate better in smaller groups and may > need extra explanation of what work is expected of them. Routine and > structure is important to them and anxiety can occur if this is > disrupted. Unstructured moments of the day, such as playtime, can > cause the most problems. They will need extra supervision as they > are often teased or bullied by other children. The best strategy to > avoid problems seems to be protection rather than exposure. > > Unwanted behaviors at home may be diminished by the use of a > behavior chart. Recording behaviors, when they occur, what triggered > them and what happened afterwards, can give cares a greater > understanding of why the behaviors occurred. A strategy can then be > worked out on how to prevent the unwanted behaviors re-occurring. A > clearly presented behavior chart is also a useful tool to explain to > the child which behaviors are acceptable and which are not. > > Publish Date : 3/16/2005 2:47:00 AM Source : Health Section > ExpressNewsline.com > > > Diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome is made in terms of one or both of > two main sets of diagnostic criteria: the DSM-IV criteria, and > Gillberg's criteria (published by Swedish psychiatrist > Gillberg). > > THE DSM-IV DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S SYNDROME > > (A) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by > at least two of the following: > > 1. marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such > as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures > to regulate social interaction > > 2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to > developmental level > > 3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or > achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, > bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people) > > 4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity. > > ( Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, > interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the > following: > > 1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and > restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity > or focus > > 2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, non-functional > routines or rituals > > 3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger > flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements) > > 4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects > > © The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in > social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. > > (D) There is no clinically significant general delay in language > (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used > by age 3 years) > > (E) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive > development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help > skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and > curiosity about the environment in childhood. > > (F) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive > Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia. > > GILLBERG'S CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S SYNDROME > > 1. Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction > > (at least two of the following) > > (a) inability to interact with peers > > ( lack of desire to interact with peers > > © lack of appreciation of social cues > > (d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior > > 2. All-absorbing narrow interest > > (at least one of the following) > > (a) exclusion of other activities > > ( repetitive adherence > > © more rote than meaning > > 3. Imposition of routines and interests > > (at least one of the following) > > (a) on self, in aspects of life > > ( on others > > 4. Speech and language problems > > (at least three of the following) > > (a) delayed development > > ( superficially perfect expressive language > > © formal, pedantic language > > (d) odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics > > (e) impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of > literal/implied meanings > > 5. Non-verbal communication problems > > (at least one of the following) > > (a) limited use of gestures > > ( clumsy/gauche body language > > © limited facial expression > > (d) inappropriate expression > > (e) peculiar, stiff gaze > > 6. Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental > examination > > (All six criteria must be met for confirmation of diagnosis.) > > There is no specific treatment or cure for any of the PDDs, > including Asperger's Syndrome. However, early diagnosis is > essential, for the earlier intervention is initiated, the more > promising the outcome. Treatment is individualized, based on > specific symptoms and rehabilitative requirements. Appropriate > educational programs will emphasize improving communication skills > and social interaction, enhancing academic development, modifying > maladaptive behaviors, encouraging adaptive behaviors, improving > physical coordination, and developing daily living skills. > > Social skills are more effectively developed through interaction > with normal peers, who then can also serve as models of appropriate > behavior and use of language. But the educational environment must > also be structured and consistent, and information should be > presented visually as well as verbally. In order to help the child > with Asperger's to generalize behaviors and skills learned at > school, they need also to be reinforced at home. Thus parental > involvement is absolutely essential to an integrated developmental > program for an Asperger's child. > > Intervention may also require medication, including > psychostimulants, tricyclic antidepressants, and beta-blockers. As > the individual with Asperger's enters adulthood, he or she may also > need specialized adult support services in order to locate and > maintain employment and living arrangements. > > This is not to suggest that there is any cognitive impairment in the > Asperger's individual. On the contrary, those with Asperger's have > no clinically significant delay in language development or in > cognitive abilities. Many with Asperger's are of average > intelligence, but many are actually highly gifted and even > brilliant. People with Asperger's often obtain one or more college > degrees, and they may become mathematicians, philosophers, > scientists, university professors, etc. But adult functioning > usually requires some degree of communication skill and social > adaptability, and these are notably lacking in Asperger's Syndrome, > which is why adult support services are often helpful or even > necessary. > > What else is often lacking is comprehension of the nonliteral > aspects of language, especially spoken language. Just as they miss > nonverbal signals when interacting with others, people with > Asperger's usually are stymied by humor, irony, metaphor, or any > other use of language that goes beyond literal meaning. This makes > normal interaction with coworkers or acquaintances difficult. > > Of all the pervasive developmental disorders, Asperger's Syndrome > has the most positive prognosis, and children with Asperger's more > often than not become independently functioning adults. However, > their social impairments often lead to psychological difficulties, > including poor self-image and depression, and as adults their social > interactions will continue to be marked by typical Asperger's > disturbances, though usually in more subtle form if intervention has > been initiated early and successfully. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Autism: Ger. Autismus, coined 1912 by Swiss psychiatrist Bleuler (1857- 1939) From Gk. autos- " self " (comb. form) + -ismos suffix of action or of state. > > " Kanner was an Austrian who immigrated to the United States in 1924. > Asperger, also an Austrian, remained in Vienna. They both worked > independently and by coincidence described the same type of disturbed > child and used the term autism. " > > I am curious as to why they both used the term autism - what are the > roots of this word, where has it come from? Just curious as ever :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Re: > Well, Zylon, when a number of professionals claim that something is > fact and it is later proven otherwise, their definition is understood > to be inaccurate. Giving a name to something doesn't equal a claim of " fact. " because the parts (or the whole) of a thing do not include its name — a name isn't a fact about a thing, but a fact about the people who *put* that name onto the thing they named. When humans first noticed some animal — a dolphin, say — and made up a word to call it by (whatever word they made up in their language), they might have described that animal incorrectly. (Until the mid-18th century, most people in Europe incorrectly defined dolphins as a type of fish.) Once some people eventually noticed: " Hey, guys, dolphins are *not* fishes, because the bodies of mother whales make milk for their offspring, and the offspring come out of the womb live on the end of an umbilical cord — no fish does that, " this didn't make the word " dolphin " somehow an " incorrect word " to say when you meant this animal. > So, although non-Aspies created a basic definition > of Asperger Syndrome, their definitions have been proven inaccurate by > persons with AS ... not only those in the general population but also > those who are considered to be colleagues of these non-Aspies. By the same logic ... " although some people long ago created a basic definition of 'dolphin' [as a type of fish], their definition has been proven inaccurate by observations of dolphins, and that means that nothing they have observed about dolphins could be accurate. If those silly people who called dolphins 'fish' observed that dolphins live in water, jump above the water, and eat seafood ... well, these observations just have to be wrong, because people who first observed those things were probably the same people who wrongly classified the animal they observed doing those things. " Kate Gladstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: > > Previously I never suspected I was AS, it took others to point it out > to me - but of course they were opinions - so I researched. I did not > automatically accept anything, I weighed things up and gathered lots > of different opinions and info'. > > Before I was diagnosed I would not call myself aspie - that was my > personal choice. I don't mind others self diagnosing - but my way of > thinking was if I suspect I have flu, I go to the doctors to confirm > or not my suspicions. I was the same with Aspergers. I suspected I > had it - I could see traits (like one would see symptoms of flu) but > I was not 100% sure - I needed to know - to be certain and that is > when I sought out a professional. Neither would I see just anyone, I > sought out seeing a professional that dealt with Aspergers, one who > had knowledge in this area. > this is myself as well. I wanted a professional opinion but the cash outlay keeps me at self Dx. I did a lot of research but That was a reason I sought to write Atwood. I had to admit that attending a confrence where he was was not going to result in him leaping up and SAYING " you I can see it from here You mimi clearly have AS " I can only go by what I have read. I know that was a strange thing to have wanted but my dx of myself is about 8 monts old now. I came to it slowly Ravi my EX and then me all the pieces fit Suddenly I did fit in somewhere. I was not the only human on the whole planet to feel the way I do. That was huge to me. In the NT world I am alone and singular, an oddity, a child, not real. Here I have a voice I am real. My boyfriend doesn't seem to understand how important this has been to me. i always thought I was just a holigram, AS gave me a solid form and put the world in perspective. No more looking to the sky and waiting to be picked up. It is hard to come to this in adulthood because my whole life was alienation regardless of how much I liked others I wasn't one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Thanks. Wonder if also where auto originated from, as in' 'auto-pilot' pertaining to self? Auto suggestion (suggesting to one's self) Quite fasicinating language :-) but is it applicable/fair to believe all autistics self obsessed? I have come across this attidude before :-( > > Autism: > Ger. Autismus, coined 1912 by Swiss psychiatrist Bleuler (1857- > 1939) > From Gk. autos- " self " (comb. form) + -ismos suffix of action or of > state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Coming to realisation later in life concerning AS can be hard, but I have found it has answered a lot of unanswered questions, helped me understand more, make sense of a lot of things in the past that didn't previously. > this is myself as well. I wanted a professional opinion but > the cash outlay keeps me at self Dx. I did a lot of research but > That was a reason I sought to write Atwood. I had to admit that > attending a confrence where he was was not going to result in him > leaping up and SAYING " you I can see it from here You mimi clearly > have AS " I can only go by what I have read. I know that was a > strange thing to have wanted but my dx of myself is about 8 monts old > now. I came to it slowly Ravi my EX and then me all the pieces fit > Suddenly I did fit in somewhere. I was not the only human on the > whole planet to feel the way I do. That was huge to me. In the NT > world I am alone and singular, an oddity, a child, not real. Here I > have a voice I am real. My boyfriend doesn't seem to understand how > important this has been to me. i always thought I was just a > holigram, AS gave me a solid form and put the world in perspective. > No more looking to the sky and waiting to be picked up. It is hard > to come to this in adulthood because my whole life was alienation > regardless of how much I liked others I wasn't one of them > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I don't think autism has the significance of 'self obsessed'. I think it means more 'to be (in) oneself' or 'to do things in an authentic (original, own) way'. > > > > Autism: > > Ger. Autismus, coined 1912 by Swiss psychiatrist Bleuler (1857- > > 1939) > > From Gk. autos- " self " (comb. form) + -ismos suffix of action or of > > state. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hello , Yes "auto" means self , whether being by itself (auto-ism) or moving by itself (auto-mobile) or operating by itself (auto-matic; auto-maton) or piloting by itself (auto-pilot). Zylon Re: Definitions WAS: Introducing Myself>Thanks.>>Wonder if also where auto originated from, as in' 'auto-pilot' >pertaining to self? Auto suggestion (suggesting to one's self) Quite >fasicinating language :-) but is it applicable/fair to believe all >autistics self obsessed? I have come across this attidude before :-(>>>>>>>>> Autism:>> Ger. Autismus, coined 1912 by Swiss psychiatrist Bleuler (1857->> 1939) >> From Gk. autos- "self" (comb. form) + -ismos suffix of action or of >> state. >>>>>FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. To contact the forum administrator, use this e-mail address: -owner >>Check the Links section for more FAM forums. >>Our website is here: >>http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/FAM_Secret_Society.html>>and you may add to it on this page: >>http://www.geocities.com/environmental1st2003/Main6.html>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hello Tom, Zylon here to take your AS " test " . Your sources (labled below " AS " ) describes AS, and I (labled below as " ME " ) respond: AS: cluster of traits that included egocentricity, ME:not usually, but it may appear that way at first on this forum due to the initial motivation.to be on the forum. AS: difficulties with social interaction, ME:yes, but more in the message than in the style. Also, I am extremely shy. and have different interests and ways of thinking and feeling from them. AS: clumsiness (including problems with both fine and gross motor control), ME: In some ways my fine motor control is above average, but I am bad at sports. I can print very small and very neat, but I cannot thread a needle. AS: and pronounced language peculiarities. ME no. AS: significant impairment in several areas of development, ME: yes, very much so AS: especially those involving social interaction, ME: Yes, very much so AS: language development, ME no. AS: and communication skills. ME: Except for crippling shyness, the impairment is that what I want to communicate is incompatible with NTs. The skills, once communication is proceding, seems OK. AS:: a wide range of intelligence, abilities, ME: My intelligence is severely split, but it is split in the opposite way than I usually hear associated with PDDs. (my rote and working memory is much lower than my conceptual level ) AS: and adaptive or maladaptive behaviors. ME: My behavior is reclusive and withdrawn. I have learned to stay away from people, because our interests and feelings are incompatible, and I am extremely prone to feeling embarrassed. AS:There is a pedantic, monotonic speech pattern, ME: no. AS: usually focused on a particularly narrow area of interest. ME: My interests are mostly about the natural world, i.e. everything except that which is man-made. NTs are the restricted ones. All they are interested in mostly social stuff. Even TV shows supposedly about nature are mostly about man, or from man's point of view. I am interested ffrom nature's point of view. (e.g. a tornado is a vortex, not a disaster). AS: the underlying brain abnormalities are present from birth. ME yes AS people with Asperger's are usually more physically clumsy ME: I do not appear clumsy, and I have amazing digital coordination. AS An individual with Asperger's will usually have a higher verbal IQ relative to his or her performance IQ, ME: yes AS: oddities of non-verbal communication; eye gaze, gestures, posture, voice >quality, prosody ME: no AS: and word choice. ME: Only due to the strangeness (to the NT) of what I am trying to communicate. and the way I think. My syntax is normal. AS :lack of humor ME: no, I can be extremely humorous. AS: and pedantry. ME no. AS: >1) Speech, pedantic, stereotyped. ME no > >2) Non-verbal communication- little facial expression, monotone >voice, inappropriate gestures. ME: no > >3) Social Interactions-not reciprocal, lacking in empathy ME: no, unless partner is feeling something which I never feel. >4) Resistance to change-enjoys repetitive activities ME not usually > >5) Motor co-ordination- gait and posture odd, gross movements, >clumsy, sometimes stereotypes ME no, but I do have a tic > >6) Skills and interests- good rote memory, ME: DEFINITELY NOT! AS: difficulties in extracting a meaningful whole from what they see and hear. ME: Perceptually, maybe. AS:The more complex the environment the more difficulty they have in extracting vital information. ME: The way I put it, I cannot stand clutter. This seems to be due to my poor working memory, and possibly a perceptual problem. > AS:They usually want to be sociable ME: Only with those I like. For others, I may like them to interact with me, but I do not like it when they demand a response from me. For fear of this response demand, I avoid most people. AS:they... have little idea about how they are sending out the wrong signals for friendships to develop. ME: Sometimes, but as a child friendships were prevented by differing interests or by my shyness, and as an adult friendships are prevented either by taboo or the learned fear of communicating directly. Indirect communication is prevented by the difference in our cognitive structure, desires, abilities, situational realities, feelings, and interests. Both the taboo and the fear of direct communication stems from their fear of my sexuality, which I don't even have. AS: they can behave appropriate when left on their own but becomeoverwhelmed by large groups. ME: Yes. > AS: Children with Asperger's make literal interpretations of other >peoples' conversations ME: no AS:: . They are often impulsive ME: I am notoriously non-impulsive. AS: They acquire language through memory rather than meaning ME: Deginitely NOT. AS: Asperger's children ...often have problems with more abstract substitutions or omissions. ME: no AS:They often have a poor imagination and find it difficult to role-play. ME: Definitely not > >THE DSM-IV DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S SYNDROME > >(A) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by >at least two of the following: > >1. marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such >as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures >to regulate social interaction ME: no > >2. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to >developmental level ME: YES, very much so > >3. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or >achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, >bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people) ME: no > >4. lack of social or emotional reciprocity. ME: no > >( Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, >interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the >following: > >1. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and >restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity >or focus ME: I don't see it that way. > >2. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, non-functional >routines or rituals ME: usually not > >3. stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger >flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements) ME: Sometimes if I'm bored. I have a tic. > >4. persistent preoccupation with parts of objects ME: no > >© The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in >social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. ME: Yes, very much so > > >1. Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction ME: no > >(a) inability to interact with peers ME: sometimes > >( lack of desire to interact with peers ME: yes > >© lack of appreciation of social cues ME: Maybe: > >(d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior ME: I don't know > >2. All-absorbing narrow interest > > >(a) exclusion of other activities ME sometimes > >( repetitive adherence ME no > >© more rote than meaning ME: DEFINITELY NOT > >3. Imposition of routines and interests > >(at least one of the following) > >(a) on self, in aspects of life ME: sometimes > >( on others: ME:sometimes > >4. Speech and language problems > >(at least three of the following) > >(a) delayed development ME:no > > >© formal, pedantic language ME: no > >(d) odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics ME:no > >(e) impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of >literal/implied meanings ME: no > >5. Non-verbal communication problems > >(at least one of the following) > >(a) limited use of gestures ME:no > >( clumsy/gauche body language ME:no > >© limited facial expression ME:no > >(d) inappropriate expression ME:no > >(e) peculiar, stiff gaze ME:no > >6. Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental >examination ME: no > >(All six criteria must be met for confirmation of diagnosis.) > >AS: >What else is often lacking is comprehension of the nonliteral >aspects of language, especially spoken language. ME:no AS: they miss nonverbal signals when interacting with others, ME: no AS::people with Asperger's usually are stymied by humor, irony, metaphor, or any >other use of language that goes beyond literal meaning. ME:no Do I seem to be AS to you from the answers I gave here? Zylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 zylon that is an old test and there have been substancial improvements in testing. Also that approach is static. People reject their DX. I came to mine over time piecing together those in my family first and me last so there was time. If you reject AS, then to you, you don't have it. If you reject NT's then you don't belong and if you don't want to belong anywhere then you don't. For me the realization was relief. But if it suits you you can get bogged down in semantics. Most everyone here is supportive and kind you don't have to join in if you don't want to. I have described myself as an old man, but I am a female. Many people may have similar feelings, aversions, and reasoning and yet they can be very disimilar. If you want to hang out and unconditionally love 7 year olds I can see where you not being a teacher or parent may be a problem. Your intentions may in fact be pure but parents have a right to be protective of their children. My son joined a gym for children, he wouldn't wait in line and he couldn't control his excitement. It was the other parents choice that he either needed to participate in an approiate way or not be part of the group. Whomever you are attracted to regardless of their age if they are unable to choose the relationship as you do, them the relationship is detrimental to them. Perhaps not you as you can make choices and decern. So the fact is that you are the age you are and male and asexual but you have the ability to choose, and you can weigh the effect of your affection, the other person based on their understanding level of development can become confused. As A teen and an adult I thought the consequence of friendship was sexual entanglement. I was frustrated confused and frightened that this was the way the world was but over and over I was told this. Because of my gender. That is why people were afraid of you because the person you love suffers confusion while you give them nothing but love. Childlike people aren't always sure what they truly want as their understanding of the world is limited that is why young have parents or gardians. My own son's understanding is limited and so as his parent I support him and guide him to independance if I can, but I offer him to no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hello Mimi, You said: >but you have the ability to choose, and you >can weigh the effect of your affection, the other person based on >their understanding level of development can become confused... >. That is why people were afraid of you because >the person you love suffers confusion while you give them nothing but >love. Childlike people aren't always sure what they truly want as >their understanding of the world is limited that is why young have >parents or gardians. So what you say is that it is hopeless. I am in a prison I can never escape from. No one can look into my mind and help me. Becoming an adult was a death sentence. The people who are afraid of me are adults, and thei fear comes before any association I have with those I love. The child-like people themrselves do not fear unless told to do so. The fear often goes away completely if and when the adults sees me with the child-like person. But always I was rarely able to get near them, and now I can never get near them.. .Like it was with , I was kept from her before I was ever with her, just by saying I want to be with her. But when the adults saw me with her, there was no more fear. knew what she wanted. She did not suffer any confusion once I was able to be with her. It was the adults who were afraid of me, and it was the adults who tried to confuse about me, telling her that only rapists and fathers would ever seek someone like her. But she was a rare case which will never repeat. Now I am even older, and can never again use a temporary " boyfriend " role to get near those I love. So what you say is that it is hopeless. I am in a prison I can never escape from. No one can look into my mind and help me. Becoming an adult was a death sentence. Zylon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Zylon wrote: " So what you say is that it is hopeless. I am in a prison I can never escape from. No one can look into my mind and help me. Becoming an adult was a death sentence ... <snip> ... " It may look hopeless to you and it may have felt that way for an entire lifetime since the loss of your Angella, but I am here to tell you that it is not hopeless along as you see things as they are and accept the beauty therein. Everyone here knows that I believe in the Law of Neutrality. Everything that happens in life is a neutral event, neither bad nor good. It is what it is. How we choose to react to each neutral event determines whether it is positive or negative. When you subscribe to this belief, even the most negative of emotions ascribed to a situation are manageable. I know. Today was an exceedingly difficult day insofar as I could only react negatively to attacks and threats that endanger my child. With the help of online friends and my boyfriend, I was able to find a way to rebuild my point of view and to mount a defence that intends to protect my child while providing me with a sense of forward movement. While he and I are far from being out of harm's way, I am more settled this evening than I was earlier today when I was lost within myself. For me, the initial reaction is the most intense and harshest because my emotions overrule my logic. Once the emotions abate somewhat, I am able to think logically and clearly. Back to your comment though, Zylon. Nothing is hopeless. Everything can be changed except death. Knowing this to be true, you have the power within you to do what you feel is right for you. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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