Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sharrie (and anybody else), when you speak of success are you referring to symptom improvement based upon client self-report alone or do you do a post-treatment TLC to see if the brain has actually changed? Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Sharrie Hanley <drsharrie@...> wrote: Bruce Yes, I have fond discreps in the Q that don't correlate with TLC. Strangley enough I find the TLC to be more accurate for training. Go figure!!! Although I have had success training with both Q and the TLC I am more comfortable with the TLC as is was accurate with a SPECT scan done and I feel it is more precise. I use specific tasks in each area to really get a response. With the Q there is no data for TSK and besides there is no ONE task that can be done for the entire brain to stimulate each area appropriately in my opinion. IE-When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Makes trainign much mroe precise. Then when I train certain areas that have disregualtions I can cause that stimulation again in that area and really get it firing while the NFB is going and the success rate increases for my clients. With the Q I haven't figured out quite how to do that yet since it is all one data intake and not individually done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Liz,When I have a client who comes in complaining of, for example, low peak alpha or a high theta/beta ratio, I always do pre and post assessments so we can tell that he has achieved his training goals. When the client comes in to improve mood or control or learning or attention or sleep problems, etc., I see the assessment as a measurement of a single moment in time that can give me directions to test in training. In those cases, the client tells ME if there has been improvement or not. I don't need a TLC. Pete.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895 BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Me <drmargoshes@...> wrote: Sharrie (and anybody else), when you speak of success are you referring to symptom improvement based upon client self-report alone or do you do a post-treatment TLC to see if the brain has actually changed? Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Sharrie Hanley <drsharrie@...> wrote: Bruce Yes, I have fond discreps in the Q that don't correlate with TLC. Strangley enough I find the TLC to be more accurate for training. Go figure!!! Although I have had success training with both Q and the TLC I am more comfortable with the TLC as is was accurate with a SPECT scan done and I feel it is more precise. I use specific tasks in each area to really get a response. With the Q there is no data for TSK and besides there is no ONE task that can be done for the entire brain to stimulate each area appropriately in my opinion. IE-When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Makes trainign much mroe precise. Then when I train certain areas that have disregualtions I can cause that stimulation again in that area and really get it firing while the NFB is going and the success rate increases for my clients. With the Q I haven't figured out quite how to do that yet since it is all one data intake and not individually done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Liz,When I have a client who comes in complaining of, for example, low peak alpha or a high theta/beta ratio, I always do pre and post assessments so we can tell that he has achieved his training goals. When the client comes in to improve mood or control or learning or attention or sleep problems, etc., I see the assessment as a measurement of a single moment in time that can give me directions to test in training. In those cases, the client tells ME if there has been improvement or not. I don't need a TLC. Pete.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895 BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Me <drmargoshes@...> wrote: Sharrie (and anybody else), when you speak of success are you referring to symptom improvement based upon client self-report alone or do you do a post-treatment TLC to see if the brain has actually changed? Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Sharrie Hanley <drsharrie@...> wrote: Bruce Yes, I have fond discreps in the Q that don't correlate with TLC. Strangley enough I find the TLC to be more accurate for training. Go figure!!! Although I have had success training with both Q and the TLC I am more comfortable with the TLC as is was accurate with a SPECT scan done and I feel it is more precise. I use specific tasks in each area to really get a response. With the Q there is no data for TSK and besides there is no ONE task that can be done for the entire brain to stimulate each area appropriately in my opinion. IE-When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Makes trainign much mroe precise. Then when I train certain areas that have disregualtions I can cause that stimulation again in that area and really get it firing while the NFB is going and the success rate increases for my clients. With the Q I haven't figured out quite how to do that yet since it is all one data intake and not individually done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Thanks, Pete! Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote: Liz,When I have a client who comes in complaining of, for example, low peak alpha or a high theta/beta ratio, I always do pre and post assessments so we can tell that he has achieved his training goals. When the client comes in to improve mood or control or learning or attention or sleep problems, etc., I see the assessment as a measurement of a single moment in time that can give me directions to test in training. In those cases, the client tells ME if there has been improvement or not. I don't need a TLC. Pete.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895 BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Me <drmargoshes@...> wrote: Sharrie (and anybody else), when you speak of success are you referring to symptom improvement based upon client self-report alone or do you do a post-treatment TLC to see if the brain has actually changed? Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Sharrie Hanley <drsharrie@...> wrote: Bruce Yes, I have fond discreps in the Q that don't correlate with TLC. Strangley enough I find the TLC to be more accurate for training. Go figure!!! Although I have had success training with both Q and the TLC I am more comfortable with the TLC as is was accurate with a SPECT scan done and I feel it is more precise. I use specific tasks in each area to really get a response. With the Q there is no data for TSK and besides there is no ONE task that can be done for the entire brain to stimulate each area appropriately in my opinion. IE-When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Makes trainign much mroe precise. Then when I train certain areas that have disregualtions I can cause that stimulation again in that area and really get it firing while the NFB is going and the success rate increases for my clients. With the Q I haven't figured out quite how to do that yet since it is all one data intake and not individually done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Thanks, Pete! Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, pvdtlc <pvdtlc@...> wrote: Liz,When I have a client who comes in complaining of, for example, low peak alpha or a high theta/beta ratio, I always do pre and post assessments so we can tell that he has achieved his training goals. When the client comes in to improve mood or control or learning or attention or sleep problems, etc., I see the assessment as a measurement of a single moment in time that can give me directions to test in training. In those cases, the client tells ME if there has been improvement or not. I don't need a TLC. Pete.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 678 224 5895 BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Me <drmargoshes@...> wrote: Sharrie (and anybody else), when you speak of success are you referring to symptom improvement based upon client self-report alone or do you do a post-treatment TLC to see if the brain has actually changed? Margoshes, Ph.D.NY State Licensed PsychologistOn Jan 31, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Sharrie Hanley <drsharrie@...> wrote: Bruce Yes, I have fond discreps in the Q that don't correlate with TLC. Strangley enough I find the TLC to be more accurate for training. Go figure!!! Although I have had success training with both Q and the TLC I am more comfortable with the TLC as is was accurate with a SPECT scan done and I feel it is more precise. I use specific tasks in each area to really get a response. With the Q there is no data for TSK and besides there is no ONE task that can be done for the entire brain to stimulate each area appropriately in my opinion. IE-When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Makes trainign much mroe precise. Then when I train certain areas that have disregualtions I can cause that stimulation again in that area and really get it firing while the NFB is going and the success rate increases for my clients. With the Q I haven't figured out quite how to do that yet since it is all one data intake and not individually done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 What a great idea Sharrie. Do you use a mix of positive and negative pictures, or negative only? >When doing temporal lobes because they are closest to limbic system I use a slide show I created with emotional pictures on it. stimulates that area and you can really see how the brain responds in each criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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