Re: Rise in new Teenage sport

[Guest guest]

Stan wrote: " That seems to relate to a " go read this book " list. "

Your comment seems to relate to an " it's not my problem " attitude.

[Guest guest]

Stan wrote: " No, I don't think it's a significant factor, but if

someone were to show that it does cause violence, then I would accept

that. As of now, we have very mixed results. More significantly,

patterns of violence and patterns of youth violence don't correspond to

what one would suppose are patterns of video game use. "

You don't see the patterns because you refuse -- as evidenced by your

previous posts -- to read the studies that prove this correlation.

Since you are unwilling to read factual information but insist on

arguing your point, I can only drop this subject since it is illogical

to continue discussing a subject with someone who is so close minded

that he cannot consider data from reputable sources.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Not that I want to get caught up in this discussion, but, in answer

to your question, the proof lies with the fact that they murdered

the homeless person and did not appear to regret it until they were

caught. In reading the actual article, it didn't seem like the boy

who committed the crime was remorseful. Just philosophical. Sort of

like " Yeah, I killed a guy. I wonder what made me do it. It all

seemed like a video game. Pretty wild huh? "

Tom

Administrator

How do you prove that they do not know murder is wrong? Where could

I find proof that those who've murdered homeless persons believe

that they think the homeless aren't people/humans/soul based other

than your personal experiences?

Kim

[Guest guest]

I actually agree on this. Whe placed in a board of

advisors/trustees/directors, or funding capacity, even if the member

of any of these boards cannot by the rules of the institution

determine policy, the person holding the position still has an

obligation to publically note if something is out of kilter, and if

they are not listened to, they should quit.

Quitting a board would mean one less thing to put on their resume,

yet it would bode well if future employees saw that one quit a board

for moral or ethical reasons.

Tom

Administrator

" Wow, that's a lot. Since I'm not in a decision making

capacity regarding this, I would not be in a position to evaluate

this. (The school will establish what rules it requires according to

people who supervise those things.) "

Raven said:

" When adults abdicate their responsibilities to help create and help

safeguard a good environment for minors, the first thing they do is

say they aren't in a position to evaluate studies with excellent

data. It's an easy way of saying it's not really their problem after

all. It's someone else's problem and someone else's job and when

things go terribly wrong, they are the first to shout loudly that

they had absolutely nothing to do with how things have gone terribly

wrong. How very interesting. "

[Guest guest]

Probably.

There is no point in discussing things with someone who ignores

evidence from the American Psychological Association which has

published extensive studies that prove his viewpoint is wrong.

Tom

Administrator

This thread is starting to get personal. Perhaps we should give it a

rest for a while?

[Guest guest]

Just thought I would point something out Stan.

You wrote;

" Since I'm not in a decision making capacity regarding this, I would

not be in a position to evaluate this. (The school will establish

what rules it requires according to people who supervise those

things.) "

I do not sit on the board of governors of the school my son attends

(although I do know some that do) and neither am I in a position to

establish the rules of said school. However doesn't mean I don't

question them - especially if I am aware of anything I consider

suspect and it does go on even though such things are generally

attempted to be covered up.

I consider my son's school enviroment important and not just his, but

other children's educational enviroments too - so if I suspect

something is amiss, I gather facts and data and make said school

aware of such and or others in positions that can do something about

the situation. I also provide the school with written evidence,

articles, facts etc on points I am trying to get across to them - so

they can see that it is not just 'my' opinion and that I have

research to back up my points.

" Wow, that's a lot. Since I'm not in a decision

making

> capacity regarding this, I would not be in a position to evaluate

> this. (The school will establish what rules it requires according

to

> people who supervise those things.) "

>

> When adults abdicate their responsibilities to help create and help

> safeguard a good environment for minors, the first thing they do is

say

> they aren't in a position to evaluate studies with excellent data.

> It's an easy way of saying it's not really their problem after

all.

> It's someone else's problem and someone else's job and when things

go

> terribly wrong, they are the first to shout loudly that they had

> absolutely nothing to do with how things have gone terribly wrong.

How

> very interesting.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

I suppose it all depends how important one considers the issue - for

me I find it important - but I am aware that it will be less of a

priority to others.

" Wow, that's a lot. Since I'm not in a decision

making

> > capacity regarding this, I would not be in a position to evaluate

> > this. (The school will establish what rules it requires

according to

> > people who supervise those things.) "

> >

> > When adults abdicate their responsibilities to help create and

help

> > safeguard a good environment for minors, the first thing they do

is say

> > they aren't in a position to evaluate studies with excellent

data.

> > It's an easy way of saying it's not really their problem after

all.

> > It's someone else's problem and someone else's job and when

things go

> > terribly wrong, they are the first to shout loudly that they had

> > absolutely nothing to do with how things have gone terribly

wrong. How

> > very interesting.

>

> That seems to relate to a " go read this book " list.

>

[Guest guest]

Stan I think there has already been an article posted here involving

a study showing that there is a link between violence in games and

that in turn causing more violent behaviour/thoughts in people.

Maybe you do not read all the posts? or perhaps you skimmed over the

one I mention above?

" I think it would be possible to determine if the

games

> > cause bullying behaviour or the like, and more to the point, what

kind

> > of games cause that. "

> >

> > Are you then changing your opinion on the subject at hand and

agreeing

> > that violent video games do indeed cause aggression and violence

in

> > those who engage in gameplaying of violent video games?

>

> No, I don't think it's a significant factor, but if someone were

> to show that it does cause violence, then I would accept that.

> As of now, we have very mixed results. More significantly,

> patterns of violence and patterns of youth violence don't

> correspond to what one would suppose are patterns of video game

> use.

>

> I don't think there's a " but for " circumstance by which some

> regulation of video games or any other media will cure the

> problem.

>

> - s

>

[Guest guest]

Ooooooooooops sorry - I read the posts in order and have only

got to this one now and have already posted on this thread.

>

>

>

> This thread is starting to get personal. Perhaps we should give it

a rest

> for a while?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is a point I tried to make earlier on in this thread, that it is

scary that someone can be so detached from reality and I don't think

such is that isolated really.

For instance we have an increase in virtual stuff, I am mostly aware

of what is real and what is not - but even for informed adults the

boundaries can be blurred. For example, not everything one sees,

reads in the news is always neccecarily true, often it is biased and

potrayed in such a way as to lead the viewer/reader to the conclusion

that 'they' (the producers of such) want you to come to.

Also many I have spoken to don't consider people on-line as Real as

the people they interact with off-line. I personally do not

understand this belief/thought - I am well aware that those who

contribute to this board (and others on the net) are real life flesh

and blood people, with feelings and thoughts. I am aware that many

can put up a 'image' online (or some at least try) as they feel a

certain amount of anonymity, but such people are probably very likely

capable of lying off line too.

I've digressed a little - but it is nonetheless worrying that some

are becoming more and more detached and escaping into a virtual world

that is blurring their perception of reality.

>

> How do you prove that they do not know murder is wrong? Where

could

> I find proof that those who've murdered homeless persons believe

> that they think the homeless aren't people/humans/soul based other

> than your personal experiences?

>

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

On 24 Feb 2007 greebohere wrote:

> I do not sit on the board of governors of the school my son attends

> ... However doesn't mean I don't question them

I can see people are somewhat invested in this issue. I think

all points have been thoroughly discussed.

While it's unlikely that I would make a decision to be part of

one organization based on the consensus of a completely

different group, this is largely a non-issue, in part because

residency is a long way off.

- s