Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 if you have an ADAP program in your state and are on that program, you can find out fromhttp://www.atdn.org/access/index.html If you are on Medicaid or pvt insurance, you can have your doctor prescribe it and then see if the pharmacist will fill the script and then fight your provider if they decline it. You might wind up stuck with a month supply out of your own pocket. Sadly, most states don't provide such coverage. I think in New York, Medicaid covers it, for example. Maybe California. Which is why we need a single payer healthcare system so doctors may prescribe and patients may be served. Not the profiteering interests of corrupt, despicable, worthless pencil-pushing insurance companies with their death panels. M. On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:53 PM, hoppefaith@... wrote: how can we find out if health ins pays for kpax.. I know my carrier paid for some nutracutical we used to use back in the day. any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 How much is the New York Buyer's Club own version of the K PAX? On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mmmichael <mmmikeymike@...> wrote: " It's $140/mo, tho, still high but not what was looking like $280/mo. " Unfortunately, at $140/mo this is still WAY beyond what many of us can realistically afford. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I've been reluctant to advertise. NYBC has two different versions that match the formula from the J AIDS study.http://nybcsecure.org/product_info.php?cPath=55 & products_id=271 (17 pills/day if one does the full dosages)- $62orhttp://nybcsecure.org/product_info.php?cPath=55 & products_id=318 - $56But it's probably a bit less than that as some items last more than a month (like the B12 and the P5P).It's still not cheap and too expensive for many. A good multi and the ThiolNAC may at least thwart some of the inflammatory aspects and, we hope, thwart mitochondrial toxicity.Meantime, Nutrivir may also be an option on ADAP or Medicaid formularies in many states where K-PAX is not available. These need to be made part of standard of care so that they are covered. They should also be studied in some kind of cohort/observational study to evaluate if long-term clinical sequelae are reduced. This would more than justify the cost to a state to include micronutrient+antioxidant regimens in relevant formularies. M. On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Vergel wrote: How much is the New York Buyer's Club own version of the K PAX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I don't believe the hype! What does it mean to "significantly improve the immune system"? Reconstituting immune function / increasing CD4 count is difficult and takes a long time, years some times. The statement from K Pax has no content. I suspect that careful nutrition (diet plus supplements) is a lot cheaper than buying expensive pax. , please give us your take on this. Thanks! In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:30:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hoppefaith@... writes: I've been looking at the k-pax website. which product do we use for hiv help? they seem to offer many and I want to get the best one as i believe my ins. company might pay for this. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Actually, the statement reflects a study Kaiser did that did show an increase in CD4 (about 70 cells) vs. placebo. Which one hopes has clinical relevance. I think K-PAX is a great formula and if you can get it through insurance or ADAP, etc., go for it. (Oh, sometimes powders are easier to get covered as enteral products due to brain dead ancient coding issues...)It IS pretty expensive. Even our NYBC version is prohibitive at $56 or $62 (depending on which version you get)...that's a bit better than a month's supply. It actually also reproduces more precisely the constituents used in the original trial which I think the current version of KPAX for example has much less B6.The Canadians are doing a follow-up trial which I hope will give us better information. Given all the inflammatory crap that's going on with HIV (even suppressed with ARV), I think this kind of protocol can help address that and reduce the clinical risks of cardiovascular and bone disease, help liver, gut and kidney function and maybe limit fibrosis to lymph nodes and thymus? Be nice to know--and it would be even BETTER if our f'ing healthcare system covered everyone and included many more supplements like this. M. On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Solarjerom@... wrote: I don't believe the hype! What does it mean to "significantly improve the immune system"? Reconstituting immune function / increasing CD4 count is difficult and takes a long time, years some times. The statement from K Pax has no content. I suspect that careful nutrition (diet plus supplements) is a lot cheaper than buying expensive pax. , please give us your take on this. Thanks! <Untitled.jpg> In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:30:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hoppefaith@... writes: I've been looking at the k-pax website. which product do we use for hiv help? they seem to offer many and I want to get the best one as i believe my ins. company might pay for this. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Growing T cells It take B-complex vitamins to support the growth of new cells, so a B-complex 25 works. It takes adequate glutathione levels to grow and release new T cells. A multivitamin that has 500 mg vit C and 400 iu of vit E are glutathione-sparing, ie they police free radicals, taking the pressure off of Glutathione to have to do so much work. Then, 1 gram NAC .. N-acteylcysteine and 5 grams of L-glutamine are Glutathione-boosting. You could add 100 mg to 300 mg Alpha Lipoic Acid to the mix, to also boost Glutathione levels, but not required. Warning, if you are taking any diabetes medicine, and you do try 300 mg Alpha Lipoic acid, twice a day, be careful. You will have to reduce your insulin or your metformin, or your blood sugars will drop too low. What happes is, ALA helps muscles absorb sugar without needing so much insulin. HIV sends out an apoptosis (kill yourself) message to healthy T cells. Taking 1 gram a day of L-carnitine can block this inappropriate messaging. It turns out that NK cells (Natural Killer cells) may do 25% to 30% of the work of fighting HIV. So take the pressure off of T cells and support NK cells. Co-enzyme Q10 is important fuel for NK cells, and after age 50 the body (liver) simply does not make enough Co Q10. It is worse if you are taking a statin. So 100 – 200 mg per day Co Q10 can raise T cell counts. Warning, if you are taking several blood pressure pills a day, taking Co-Q10 also lowers blood pressure, so you may end up over-medicated, and need to lower your dose of BP meds. Eat enough protein, like 75% of your ideal weight in grams of protein. Example, a 160 lb. person .. X 75% >>> 120 grams per day. Breakfast 2-3 oz, lunch 3-4 oz and supper 5-6 oz of fish, chicken, turkey, etc. gets you there. A whey protein and fruit smoothie can be handy. Adequate protein If shopping New York or Houston Buyers Club … prices: Jarrow 1-3 vitamin or Perfect Family vitamin (3 pills a day) … (this has the B-complex, vit C, vit E, selenium, magnesium etc all built in) about $11 a month . L-glutamine $7 a month NAC 500 mg x 2 $7.60 a month Co-enzyme Q10 $7.50 a month L-carnitine 500mg x 2 $21 a month Initial cost: about $55 a month … I see people raise their CD 4 counts by 50 + points with this blend in 3-6 months. It may take 12 – 16 months, if there is co-infection with Hep B or Hep C or if someone is over age 60. Charlie Smigelski, RD Eat Up Books . com Re: Re: K-pax I don't believe the hype! What does it mean to "significantly improve the immune system"? Reconstituting immune function / increasing CD4 count is difficult and takes a long time, years some times. The statement from K Pax has no content. I suspect that careful nutrition (diet plus supplements) is a lot cheaper than buying expensive pax. , please give us your take on this. Thanks! In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:30:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hoppefaith@... writes: I've been looking at the k-pax website. which product do we use for hiv help? they seem to offer many and I want to get the best one as i believe my ins. company might pay for this. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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