Re: Gamma Beta Sweep

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I've never used it and probably won't.I do know that they recommend limited use.  Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:01 AM, mark <mesda@...> wrote:

 

Hi All

Have there been any experiences with this design? All I have been able to see online with Beta Reset is that 8 session are recommended. Does anyone know if there are concerns with more sessions. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Mike

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Mike,Are you talking about beta reset gamma induction?I took a two day workshop on it at ISNR.  Protocol for chronic pain and medical conditions was done twice daily for a few weeks, with intensive psychotherapy using some mind-body interventions.  I sought further consults from the instructor as I used it with  a few of my patients

If this is NOT what you are talking about, then just ignore my comments... SitarOn Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:01 AM, mark <mesda@...> wrote:

 

Hi All

Have there been any experiences with this design? All I have been able to see online with Beta Reset is that 8 session are recommended. Does anyone know if there are concerns with more sessions. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Mike

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Mike,Are you talking about beta reset gamma induction?I took a two day workshop on it at ISNR.  Protocol for chronic pain and medical conditions was done twice daily for a few weeks, with intensive psychotherapy using some mind-body interventions.  I sought further consults from the instructor as I used it with  a few of my patients

If this is NOT what you are talking about, then just ignore my comments... SitarOn Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:01 AM, mark <mesda@...> wrote:

 

Hi All

Have there been any experiences with this design? All I have been able to see online with Beta Reset is that 8 session are recommended. Does anyone know if there are concerns with more sessions. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Mike

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President-Elect, Mid-Atlantic Society for Biofeedback & Behavioral MedicinePsychotherapy, Biofeedback, and  Neurofeedback7910 Woodmont Ave.   Suite  1309Bethesda, MD   20814301.718.3588michaelasitar@...

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Thanks for the reply,

Yes it is the TLC design to replicate the beta reset protocol. can

correct me if I am mistaken. I believe it was renamed to be a generic

description of the process.

Have you found it effective for the people you've used it on? Was there a high

incidence of abreactions?

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You are correct.  The sweep is an attempt to implement the protocol in BioExplorer.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM, mark <mesda@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for the reply,

Yes it is the TLC design to replicate the beta reset protocol. can correct me if I am mistaken. I believe it was renamed to be a generic description of the process.

Have you found it effective for the people you've used it on? Was there a high incidence of abreactions?

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This is one of the flaws of the operant conditioning model as an explanatory model for change during EEG biofeedback. Even militant QEEG folks who attack those practicing the Othmer method for not being grounded in operant conditioning principles and who insist that change is explained by operant conditioning don't fully grasp the significance of there own criticisms about such methods. In particular, if operant conditioning explains things as such critics insist, than how can they also be causing such quick iatrogenic effects that these Critics QEEG's are showing and which they attribute to Other methods.

Now of course in terms of approaches and the explanatory models they use to talk about change the Other model is but one of many that are not attached to operant conditioning. However, the Other methods do seem to get the most negative press from militant QEEGers.

For those who have not read "From Ghost in the box to successful biofeedback", I'd recommend it to grasp some of the nuances of how change is hypothesized to occur in all biofeedback(nf too).

Bruce

Re: Re: Gamma Beta Sweep

I have no experience with this design, but here are some thoughts. We know that the aim of NF is to shift the EEG to desired goals via operant conditioning. This takes TIME (hence, "The Forty-Hour Solution" (is that correct? I don't have that title in front of me), not "The Couple of Hours Solution".

I don't understand these "abreactions." They presume a huge, immediate shift in EEG. (I am similarly suspect when someone reports that, after a few sessions, all of a sudden someone can e.g. do their math homework -- particularly since there are so many other variables at work (some examples: making a decision to get help; the powerful effects of being "hooked up " to a special machine; the power of an "expert"; etc. (all of these factors are of course well researched within the field of social psychology)).

But back to this particular design: what is the client being told about what's going to happen to him? And, maybe more important, what stimuli are you using for feedback? (it amazes me how rarely people spontaneously tell you, when they're talking about this or that design and this or that diagnosis, what the client is actually listening to or watching during the sessions!)

For example, I am unable to get through Barber's "Adagio for Strings" without crying. If you hooked me up to an EEG amp and gave me feedback for increased (choose a frequency) Hz, you might draw the conclusion that it was the effects of that increase that made me cry, when, in fact, it was the late, great Sam Barber's genius.

So...to say without further exploration that it was that particular design itself that caused the abreactions in question without bringing up some of these other factors seems to invite a rather narrow view of the NF process.

Liz

Margoshes, Ph.D.

NY State Licensed Psychologist

On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Sitar <michaelasitar@...> wrote:

The oneor two folks that I tried it on, did not stick around for more than a few sessions. Abreactions are reported to be typical, which is why it is strongly recommended by the developer that only trained therapists (who have training and skills to handle the abreactions) should attempt this protocol... Sitar

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:44 PM, mark <mesda@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reply,Yes it is the TLC design to replicate the beta reset protocol. can correct me if I am mistaken. I believe it was renamed to be a generic description of the process. Have you found it effective for the people you've used it on? Was there a high incidence of abreactions? Thanks

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Psychologist

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