Guest guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Millie,Coherence is a measure of the brain's ability to communicate through a clean, accurate channel between two sites. When coherences in slow frequencies between sites like F3 and F4, C3 and C4, P3 and P4, O1 and O2, which connect at the midline are low, that suggests that something is interfering with the connections. That something may be excessive excitement in the neurons (they won't stop producing bursts of beta, even when there is no task requiring beta) or it may be a physical disruption caused by a head injury or some sort of lesion. In either case, it's likely that performance will be affected. Sites like F7 and F8, T3 and T4, T5 and T6 don't share a boundary at the midline. They are very far apart (in brain terms), and they have to send their communications either through the corpus callosum or the anterior commissure, so the delay is greater. They tend to have very low coherences For language processing issues, the original Squash protocol developed by Dan Maust, places electrodes atF7/CP5 in CH1 and F8/CP6 in CH2, squashing all frequencies can be very helpful (Options--2C).Pete -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote: Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and experience others may have. All the best, Millie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks Pete for your insightful explanation. She does have some language as well as math challenges. I am tempted to try Dan Maust’s Squash protocol; however am hesitant as she is very creative and I do not want to squash the Alpha in the back of her head. In your experience, would referencing CP5 & 6 possibly have a squash effect on the P sites as well? I look forward to your response and greatly appreciate the suggestion. All the best, Millie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:55 AM Subject: Re: low coherences and learning difficulties Millie, Coherence is a measure of the brain's ability to communicate through a clean, accurate channel between two sites. When coherences in slow frequencies between sites like F3 and F4, C3 and C4, P3 and P4, O1 and O2, which connect at the midline are low, that suggests that something is interfering with the connections. That something may be excessive excitement in the neurons (they won't stop producing bursts of beta, even when there is no task requiring beta) or it may be a physical disruption caused by a head injury or some sort of lesion. In either case, it's likely that performance will be affected. Sites like F7 and F8, T3 and T4, T5 and T6 don't share a boundary at the midline. They are very far apart (in brain terms), and they have to send their communications either through the corpus callosum or the anterior commissure, so the delay is greater. They tend to have very low coherences For language processing issues, the original Squash protocol developed by Dan Maust, places electrodes at F7/CP5 in CH1 and F8/CP6 in CH2, squashing all frequencies can be very helpful (Options--2C). Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 305 433 3160 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote: Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and experience others may have. All the best, Millie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6578 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6581 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks Pete for your insightful explanation. She does have some language as well as math challenges. I am tempted to try Dan Maust’s Squash protocol; however am hesitant as she is very creative and I do not want to squash the Alpha in the back of her head. In your experience, would referencing CP5 & 6 possibly have a squash effect on the P sites as well? I look forward to your response and greatly appreciate the suggestion. All the best, Millie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:55 AM Subject: Re: low coherences and learning difficulties Millie, Coherence is a measure of the brain's ability to communicate through a clean, accurate channel between two sites. When coherences in slow frequencies between sites like F3 and F4, C3 and C4, P3 and P4, O1 and O2, which connect at the midline are low, that suggests that something is interfering with the connections. That something may be excessive excitement in the neurons (they won't stop producing bursts of beta, even when there is no task requiring beta) or it may be a physical disruption caused by a head injury or some sort of lesion. In either case, it's likely that performance will be affected. Sites like F7 and F8, T3 and T4, T5 and T6 don't share a boundary at the midline. They are very far apart (in brain terms), and they have to send their communications either through the corpus callosum or the anterior commissure, so the delay is greater. They tend to have very low coherences For language processing issues, the original Squash protocol developed by Dan Maust, places electrodes at F7/CP5 in CH1 and F8/CP6 in CH2, squashing all frequencies can be very helpful (Options--2C). Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 305 433 3160 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote: Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and experience others may have. All the best, Millie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6578 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6581 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Eyes open.-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Millie Souders <millie@...> wrote: Thanks Pete for your insightful explanation. She does have some language as well as math challenges. I am tempted to try Dan Maust’s Squash protocol; however am hesitant as she is very creative and I do not want to squash the Alpha in the back of her head. In your experience, would referencing CP5 & 6 possibly have a squash effect on the P sites as well? I look forward to your response and greatly appreciate the suggestion. All the best, Millie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:55 AM Subject: Re: low coherences and learning difficulties Millie, Coherence is a measure of the brain's ability to communicate through a clean, accurate channel between two sites. When coherences in slow frequencies between sites like F3 and F4, C3 and C4, P3 and P4, O1 and O2, which connect at the midline are low, that suggests that something is interfering with the connections. That something may be excessive excitement in the neurons (they won't stop producing bursts of beta, even when there is no task requiring beta) or it may be a physical disruption caused by a head injury or some sort of lesion. In either case, it's likely that performance will be affected. Sites like F7 and F8, T3 and T4, T5 and T6 don't share a boundary at the midline. They are very far apart (in brain terms), and they have to send their communications either through the corpus callosum or the anterior commissure, so the delay is greater. They tend to have very low coherences For language processing issues, the original Squash protocol developed by Dan Maust, places electrodes at F7/CP5 in CH1 and F8/CP6 in CH2, squashing all frequencies can be very helpful (Options--2C). Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 305 433 3160 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote: Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and experience others may have. All the best, Millie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6578 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6581 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Pete, What are the implecations if you have high coherances at T3,T4,F7,F8,T5,T6, or is it not possible to have high coherences at those sites? Mike > > > ** > > > > > > Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning > > difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at > > several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical > > pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave > > activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought > > I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for > > her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am > > also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as > > well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, > > I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and > > experience others may have. > > > > All the best, > > Millie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 My first guess would be that there was some muscle or electromagnetic artifact, either of which can cause coherence values to rise artificially (since the signal is coming from the same place--the muscle).Pete -- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:27 PM, MICHAEL <mpsych44m@...> wrote: Pete, What are the implecations if you have high coherances at T3,T4,F7,F8,T5,T6, or is it not possible to have high coherences at those sites? Mike > > > ** > > > > > > Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning > > difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at > > several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical > > pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave > > activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought > > I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for > > her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am > > also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as > > well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, > > I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and > > experience others may have. > > > > All the best, > > Millie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Thanks, Pete. > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning > > > > difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and > > Alpha at > > > > several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical > > > > pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow > > wave > > > > activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I > > thought > > > > I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies > > for > > > > her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I > > am > > > > also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be > > beneficial as > > > > well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure > > coherence, > > > > I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions > > and > > > > experience others may have. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Millie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Thanks. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Re: low coherences and learning difficulties Eyes open. -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 305 433 3160 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Millie Souders <millie@...> wrote: Thanks Pete for your insightful explanation. She does have some language as well as math challenges. I am tempted to try Dan Maust’s Squash protocol; however am hesitant as she is very creative and I do not want to squash the Alpha in the back of her head. In your experience, would referencing CP5 & 6 possibly have a squash effect on the P sites as well? I look forward to your response and greatly appreciate the suggestion. All the best, Millie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:55 AM Subject: Re: low coherences and learning difficulties Millie, Coherence is a measure of the brain's ability to communicate through a clean, accurate channel between two sites. When coherences in slow frequencies between sites like F3 and F4, C3 and C4, P3 and P4, O1 and O2, which connect at the midline are low, that suggests that something is interfering with the connections. That something may be excessive excitement in the neurons (they won't stop producing bursts of beta, even when there is no task requiring beta) or it may be a physical disruption caused by a head injury or some sort of lesion. In either case, it's likely that performance will be affected. Sites like F7 and F8, T3 and T4, T5 and T6 don't share a boundary at the midline. They are very far apart (in brain terms), and they have to send their communications either through the corpus callosum or the anterior commissure, so the delay is greater. They tend to have very low coherences For language processing issues, the original Squash protocol developed by Dan Maust, places electrodes at F7/CP5 in CH1 and F8/CP6 in CH2, squashing all frequencies can be very helpful (Options--2C). Pete -- Van Deusen pvdtlc@... http://www.brain-trainer.com USA 305 433 3160 BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Millie <millie@...> wrote: Hello all. I am training and tutoring a 7 year old with learning difficulties. Her TLC assessment shows low coherences in Theta and Alpha at several sites (F3-F4, C3-C4, F7-F8, T3-T4 and T5-T6). Is this a typical pattern for learning problems? I have been squishing the excessive slow wave activity as well as SMR training. She has responded well; however I thought I also should address the low coherences. After adjusting frequencies for her age, I thought I would try F3-F4 and C3-C4 coherence up training. I am also questioning whether training at F7-F8 and T5-T6 would be beneficial as well. Since I heard T3-T4 is too far apart to accurately measure coherence, I question where to draw the line. I would appreciate any suggestions and experience others may have. All the best, Millie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6578 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6581 (20111027) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6584 (20111028) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6584 (20111028) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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