Re: What's the scoop on Les Fehmi

[Guest guest]

liz,

on one of the last open focus telinars les fehmi said he is training mostly 7-10

Hz. i took the alpha synchrony protocol from pete and adjusted it to 7-10 Hz and

expanded it to 4 channels. soon i will be able to train 6 channels. les fehmi

uses oz t3 t4 cz and fpz. i left out fpz and had some very nice trainings.

partly i combined the training with the open focus exercises and partly i

trained without exercises. i found it very helpful to recognize an alpha state

and how to get there. i also did 2 channel training on t3 and t4 which i found

helpful.

if you need the design i'd be happy to share.

michael

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> >> Hi ,

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> >> Thanks for letting me know that you're not the EM from Princeton I knew

> >> (by the way, the EM I knew--her husband was in the Pentagon on 9/11 when it

> >> was bombed. He survived, but he had to crawl over many yards of rubble to

> >> escape the building).

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> >> RE: Les Fehmi:

> >>

> >> My experience with Les Fehmi's work has not been as a neurofeedback

> >> practitioner but as a layman. My family's experience with Les Fermes has

> >> not been particularly positive. My sister (who has a B. A. in Psychology)

> >> underwent sessions in his Princeton clinic (although, granted, this was

many

> >> years ago), and does not feel she gained anything from these sessions.

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> >> I myself actually took an evening course taught by Les Fermes at a high

> >> school in East Windsor, NJ--gosh, it must have been in the late 70's! In

> >> this casual class, which was one of many included in the school system's

> >> evening classes (I also took a pottery class through these courses), Fermes

> >> was promoting his 'Open Focus' method. Each of us students received an

> >> audiotape. I still have Fermes' audiotape, although it got damaged--but

> >> what I basically remember about the audiotape is that it says, " Imagine the

> >> space behind your nose.... " AND that Fehmi told us that to achieve serious

> >> results, we needed to listen to this audiotape 2x/day! That's TWO WHOLE

> >> HOURS A DAY! I couldn't do it--I didn't have that kind of time, and it was

> >> too boring.

> >>

> >> HOWEVER, I COMPLETELY FORGOT about taking Dr. Fehmi's class 30 years

> >> ago--so several months ago, when I read the book " A Symphony of the Brain "

> >> by Jim Robbins, I was struck by Robbins' comment that, after using Fehmi's

> >> tapes for several weeks, of all the methods Robbins tried in the process of

> >> writing his book he found that Les Fermes' method proved to be among the

> >> most profoundly effective. That defiinitely sparked my interest.

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> >> So a couple months ago I purchased copies of Fermes' two books, 'The Open

> >> Focus Method' and 'Dissolving Pain..' (both of which, interestingly, are

> >> co-authored by Jim Robbins). Both books are accompanied by CD's. Since I

> >> opened and listened to both CD's, that unfortunately meant I couldn't

return

> >> either book for a refund. The books are, for all practical purposes,

> >> identical in content as are the CD's. The only clear difference to me from

> >> his recording 30 years ago is that he now says, " Imagine the space behind

> >> your eyes... " rather than " Imagine the space behind your nose. " And Femi

> >> still says, in his books, that you should listen to his tapes TWO HOURS A

> >> DAY!

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> >> What's more, I've looked at the courses Fehmi offers at his Princeton

> >> Biofeedback Centre, and what do his courses include? They include MORE

> >> CD's, with varying titles, that a client is (or a married couple are)

> >> supposed to listen to---what's your guess? Two HOURS a day?

> >>

> >> My point is this: If Fehmi's biofeedback techniques are so effective,

> >> then why do Fehmi's clients need to listen to meditative-type tapes an

> >> additional 2 hours a day (forever)? And how can ANYone listen to

recordings

> >> 2 hours a day without sacrificing something of equal or more importance?

> >> Like physical exercise, or time with family or friends (you're supposed to

> >> shut yourself off in closed room while listening to these tapes), or taking

> >> a yoga course?

> >>

> >> I'm now suspicious of Jim Robbins. Did he co-author a book with Fehmi

> >> because he felt Fehmi's methods were as profoundly effective as he states

in

> >> his book? Or did Robbins state that Fehmi's methods were profoundly

> >> effective (the only comment of that type that he made about ANY technique

in

> >> his book) because he saw a possibility of co-authoring a profitable book or

> >> two with Fehmi, and thus it would serve him well financially to speak

> >> especially highly of Fehmi's Open Focus in his book, " A Symphony of the

> >> Brain? " I suspect the latter.

> >>

> >> By the way, --my personal experience has been with Brain State

> >> Training (Les Gerdes), and it profoundly changed my life within a mere 3

> >> days! I couldn't believe it! And the change has been permanent because it

> >> moved me to a higher level of consciousness--now that I'm on this higher

> >> level, there's no going back. And all I had to do was sit in a chair for a

> >> few hours with electrodes on my head and picture myself lying happily on a

> >> sunny beach. BST is the best thing I've ever done for myself.

> >>

> >> I know that BST is controversial among neurofeedback practitioners, but

> >> take my word on this--BST works, and it works fast. Apparently, from what

> >> I've been learning, BST works a lot faster than traditional NF and with

more

> >> predictable outcomes.

> >>

> >> However, I've also heard that there is a lot of dissatisfaction among BST

> >> practitioners about Les Gerdes' business practices, and several

> >> practitioners have left his franchises. I JUST HOPE that others who

> >> practice neurofeedback figure out Gerdes' methods, which he deliberately

> >> keeps secret, so that BST becomes more commonly practiced. Why spend

> >> hundreds of hours in neurofeedback, when even severely autistic children,

> >> who can't even focus on the computer screen, can benefit from BST in just 5

> >> days' time? I fear that the whole just-budding practice of BST might die

> >> out completely due to lack of effective business leadership.

> >>

> >> Anyway, , I considered going (with my husband) to Les Fehmi's

> >> couples' course but decided against it when I saw his list of (more) CDs.

> >> [Les Fehmi's Princeton center is local to me]. I will put my money towards

> >> further BST.

> >>

> >> Feel free to call me with any questions.

> >>

> >> Yours,

> >>

> >> Jane

> >> New Hope PA

> >> 215-862-1135

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> >> Margoshes, Ph.D.

> >> New York State Licensed Psychologist

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> Margoshes, Ph.D.

> New York State Licensed Psychologist

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