Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Linnea, I only have a quick minute, but I have suffered from insomnia for about 3 1/2 yrs and it's a tough thing. Here's a couple of thoughts: Depression can cause insomnia and/or the increase in Zoloft taken at night can cause insomnia. In my experience, I was starting to feel depressed when I was getting very little sleep. I kept thinking, " I can't believe I'm getting depressed on top on having insomnia! " What I found was that as soon as I got adequate sleep, my depression was gone. I was just fatigued and way over tired. I don't know if it's the same with you, it could really be depression, but getting very little sleep effects your mood in a big way. Also, my insomnia started when I went on the pill and weaned my twins from breast feeding. Lots of hormonal changes at once. My Dr. also poo-poo'ed the idea that hormones were involved, but it seems too coincidental to me. (And you!) Can you take the Zoloft in the am? My friend is taking Zoloft and if she takes it at night it keeps her up. Of course, it could be helping you sleep--it's such trial and error. Dina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Hey, this is a shot in the dark but my oldest daughter, sixteen, was just diagnosed with narcolepsy. I am going in next to be tested since I am also always tired. We were both treated by an endocrinologist for years for fatigue and now I think I know why we have been so tired! Kelley in NV ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Hi Linnea, I want to respond to just one of your points--about birth control. YES, a resounding YES! it can cause mood disturbances. If your doctor doesn't know this, he/she is just wrong and uninformed. The progesterone in it is most often the culprit. My psychiatrist told me of a woman who was given a progesterone shot and wound up in the psych. hospital within a week. Women with a tendency toward depression can easily be sent into a nose dive with the Pill. Why don't you just stop taking it as an experiment to see if it is in fact the culprit. You suggested the timing yourself. Trust yourself. Depression (I suffer from it) is a medical illness. It has nothing to do with whether you have a fabulous life or not. My sister resisted this idea, telling herself her life was " too good " for her to be depressed. When she finally took the antidepressants she was amazed at the wonderful results. She felt really good for the first time in her adult life. Hope you find the answer you need and will feel much better soon. Imogene P.S. Vitamin B12 is good for fatigue. But fatigue is a symptom of depression and if you actually are depressed, you need to get undepressed. Help for mom... My 10 year old daughter is actually doing pretty well.she is on a vitamin plan designed by a natural medicine doctor. She is taking multiple vitamins including SAM, St. s Wort, 5 HTP, and Melatonin at night. We also just got her blood drawn for allergy testing. She has been getting stomachaches for years and years, and I always assumed that it was stress related. I have always wondered though if her stomach problems and her ADHD symptoms could be allergy related. We are about 5 days into her new diet.no cow's milk, gluten, eggs, peanuts.I will be interested to see how this affects her ADHD symptoms. Now back to me.Sorry, I know this is an OCD forum, but I know a lot of our children suffer from depression too. While, I have been taking Zoloft for 7 years now, I always believed I was taking it for insomnia. It has worked about 90% of the time with helping me sleep. I would have bad nights here and there, but nothing too bad. Now, this past six months, I have had more bad nights than good nights. I hard a short trial with Welbutrin and hated it! Now, I believe I am depressed. I feel fatigued whether or not I get a good night sleep. I am waking up many times a night. I take Ambien CR every couple of days to " catch up " on sleep, but do not want to take it daily, and become dependent on it. The other nights, I take the vitamin Valerian, which used to help a lot, but not so much anymore. My family doctor recently increased my Zoloft dosage from 100 to 150 mg, taken at night. Could the increase be making me feel bad?? I also, in the last couple of months, went back on birth control, and I told my doctor that I thought this might be the problem. She switched my prescription to another birth control, but did not believe there could be any correlation between birth control pills and depression and fatigue. Any one ever suffer from depression or fatigue on birth control?? I know I am grasping, but the timing is sticking out in my mind. I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be depressed. I have a great life.2 great children, a wonderful husband, the ability to be a " stay-at-home-mom " , and lots of friends. I cannot wrap my hands around the idea that I am depressed when there is no reason for the negative feelings. I know there is a chemical cause for depression, but it still baffles me. Thank you so miuch for any thoughts! Linnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Another interesting book for adults is " Potatoes Not Prozac " (PNP) by Kathleen DesMaisons. She has a website too http://www.radiantrecovery.com And hey, my dd12 takes Prozac, so I'm not anti-meds :-), this is just an interesting approach looking at altering brain chemistry through food and the approach can work for depression. What I found out, after years of trying to treat my depression (through psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists, medication, light therapy, hiring a cleaning lady...the list goes on) was that changing my diet is the only thing that worked long-term. I never did get the PNP protocol to work for me. What worked was addressing my digestive issues (chronic irritable bowel syndrome) through a diet called " The Specific Carbohydrate Diet " (http:// www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info), which incidentally forbids potatoes, so there you go LOL. I've been on the diet for about two years now and it's only since being on it that I've survived for more than 12 months uninterrupted by a bout of depression for as long as I can remember. IOW before this, I always suffered a bout of depression at one time or another during any given year. Good luck in dealing with your depression, it's rarely only about what's going on in your life, and more about chemical or brain wiring disturbances. Theresa (in Vancouver, Canada) dd12 OCD 12.5mg Prozac, 6.25mg Seroquil, 3mg Melatonin; ds9; dd5 > > A very interesting book on the relationship between women's hormones and mood/ sleep disturbances is Womens' Moods by Deborah Sichel, MD and Jeanne Driscoll. Deborah Sichel was my psychiatrist for several years. This is a brilliant book and worth reading. Imogene > > Re: Help for mom... > > Linnea, > > I only have a quick minute, but I have suffered from insomnia for about > 3 1/2 yrs and it's a tough thing. Here's a couple of thoughts: > Depression can cause insomnia and/or the increase in Zoloft taken at > night can cause insomnia. In my experience, I was starting to feel > depressed when I was getting very little sleep. I kept thinking, " I > can't believe I'm getting depressed on top on having insomnia! " What I > found was that as soon as I got adequate sleep, my depression was gone. > I was just fatigued and way over tired. I don't know if it's the same > with you, it could really be depression, but getting very little sleep > effects your mood in a big way. > > Also, my insomnia started when I went on the pill and weaned my twins > from breast feeding. Lots of hormonal changes at once. My Dr. also > poo-poo'ed the idea that hormones were involved, but it seems too > coincidental to me. (And you!) > > Can you take the Zoloft in the am? My friend is taking Zoloft and if > she takes it at night it keeps her up. Of course, it could be helping > you sleep--it's such trial and error. > > Dina > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Wow, Imogene, that is interesting to know. A doc once prescribed progesterone cream (from plants) for me. My panic attacks got so much worse. . .Was having approx. one an hour. Took myself off of it and they calmed back down. When I told her what it did to me, she seemed confused by that. I always thought maybe I had had a strange reaction to it. . . until now. Thanks for the info. BJ > > Hi Linnea, I want to respond to just one of your points--about birth control. YES, a resounding YES! it can cause mood disturbances. If your doctor doesn't know this, he/she is just wrong and uninformed. The progesterone in it is most often the culprit. My psychiatrist told me of a woman who was given a progesterone shot and wound up in the psych. hospital within a week. Women with a tendency toward depression can easily be sent into a nose dive with the Pill. Why don't you just stop taking it as an experiment to see if it is in fact the culprit. You suggested the timing yourself. Trust yourself. > > Depression (I suffer from it) is a medical illness. It has nothing to do with whether you have a fabulous life or not. My sister resisted this idea, telling herself her life was " too good " for her to be depressed. When she finally took the antidepressants she was amazed at the wonderful results. She felt really good for the first time in her adult life. > > Hope you find the answer you need and will feel much better soon. Imogene > > P.S. Vitamin B12 is good for fatigue. But fatigue is a symptom of depression and if you actually are depressed, you need to get undepressed. > > Help for mom... > > My 10 year old daughter is actually doing pretty well.she is on a vitamin > plan designed by a natural medicine doctor. She is taking multiple > vitamins including SAM, St. s Wort, 5 HTP, and Melatonin at night. We > also just got her blood drawn for allergy testing. She has been getting > stomachaches for years and years, and I always assumed that it was stress > related. I have always wondered though if her stomach problems and her ADHD > symptoms could be allergy related. We are about 5 days into her new diet.no > cow's milk, gluten, eggs, peanuts.I will be interested to see how this > affects her ADHD symptoms. > > Now back to me.Sorry, I know this is an OCD forum, but I know a lot of our > children suffer from depression too. While, I have been taking Zoloft for 7 > years now, I always believed I was taking it for insomnia. It has worked > about 90% of the time with helping me sleep. I would have bad nights here > and there, but nothing too bad. Now, this past six months, I have had more > bad nights than good nights. I hard a short trial with Welbutrin and hated > it! Now, I believe I am depressed. I feel fatigued whether or not I get a > good night sleep. I am waking up many times a night. I take Ambien CR > every couple of days to " catch up " on sleep, but do not want to take it > daily, and become dependent on it. The other nights, I take the vitamin > Valerian, which used to help a lot, but not so much anymore. My family > doctor recently increased my Zoloft dosage from 100 to 150 mg, taken at > night. Could the increase be making me feel bad?? I also, in the last > couple of months, went back on birth control, and I told my doctor that I > thought this might be the problem. She switched my prescription to another > birth control, but did not believe there could be any correlation between > birth control pills and depression and fatigue. Any one ever suffer from > depression or fatigue on birth control?? I know I am grasping, but the > timing is sticking out in my mind. > > I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more > insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it > cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any > thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The > most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be > depressed. I have a great life.2 great children, a wonderful husband, the > ability to be a " stay-at-home-mom " , and lots of friends. I cannot wrap my > hands around the idea that I am depressed when there is no reason for the > negative feelings. I know there is a chemical cause for depression, but it > still baffles me. > > Thank you so miuch for any thoughts! > > Linnea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 It is really amazing how little the medical community understands the relationship between women's hormones and moods. That is why Dr. Deborah Sichel's book, Womens' Moods is so important a read. She has done the research and knows the deal. There is also another MD named Hadine Joffee at Mass General Hospital in Boston who is researching hormones and moods. We women need to inform ourselves because most of the doctors are still in the dark. Imogene Help for mom... > > My 10 year old daughter is actually doing pretty well.she is on a vitamin > plan designed by a natural medicine doctor. She is taking multiple > vitamins including SAM, St. s Wort, 5 HTP, and Melatonin at night. We > also just got her blood drawn for allergy testing. She has been getting > stomachaches for years and years, and I always assumed that it was stress > related. I have always wondered though if her stomach problems and her ADHD > symptoms could be allergy related. We are about 5 days into her new diet.no > cow's milk, gluten, eggs, peanuts.I will be interested to see how this > affects her ADHD symptoms. > > Now back to me.Sorry, I know this is an OCD forum, but I know a lot of our > children suffer from depression too. While, I have been taking Zoloft for 7 > years now, I always believed I was taking it for insomnia. It has worked > about 90% of the time with helping me sleep. I would have bad nights here > and there, but nothing too bad. Now, this past six months, I have had more > bad nights than good nights. I hard a short trial with Welbutrin and hated > it! Now, I believe I am depressed. I feel fatigued whether or not I get a > good night sleep. I am waking up many times a night. I take Ambien CR > every couple of days to " catch up " on sleep, but do not want to take it > daily, and become dependent on it. The other nights, I take the vitamin > Valerian, which used to help a lot, but not so much anymore. My family > doctor recently increased my Zoloft dosage from 100 to 150 mg, taken at > night. Could the increase be making me feel bad?? I also, in the last > couple of months, went back on birth control, and I told my doctor that I > thought this might be the problem. She switched my prescription to another > birth control, but did not believe there could be any correlation between > birth control pills and depression and fatigue. Any one ever suffer from > depression or fatigue on birth control?? I know I am grasping, but the > timing is sticking out in my mind. > > I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more > insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it > cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any > thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The > most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be > depressed. I have a great life.2 great children, a wonderful husband, the > ability to be a " stay-at-home-mom " , and lots of friends. I cannot wrap my > hands around the idea that I am depressed when there is no reason for the > negative feelings. I know there is a chemical cause for depression, but it > still baffles me. > > Thank you so miuch for any thoughts! > > Linnea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I'm just coming up from a serious depression, and I can tell you it is exhausting. I wanted to sleep the whole time. I'm bipolar. I've had depressions occur when things in my life were going smoothly, and a couple of times I've had extreme stress in my life and did not get depression. Stress can cause depression, but for me, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason for it. Laurie Linnea and Jeff <shiffra@...> wrote: I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be depressed. I have a great life.2 great children, a wonderful husband, the ability to be a " stay-at-home-mom " , and lots of friends. I cannot wrap my hands around the idea that I am depressed when there is no reason for the negative feelings. I know there is a chemical cause for depression, but it still baffles me. Thank you so miuch for any thoughts! Linnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I can't believe your dr. didn't think hormones were involved with insomnia! hormones always mess me up! Laurie Dina <dina.n.jones@...> wrote: Also, my insomnia started when I went on the pill and weaned my twins from breast feeding. Lots of hormonal changes at once. My Dr. also poo-poo'ed the idea that hormones were involved, but it seems too coincidental to me. (And you!) Can you take the Zoloft in the am? My friend is taking Zoloft and if she takes it at night it keeps her up. Of course, it could be helping you sleep--it's such trial and error. Dina Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D.(http://www.ocdawareness.com ), Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D. (http://massgeneral.org/pediatricpsych/staff/geller.html ),Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I forgot to say, I just went of birth control, and within 6 weeks my mood improved dramatically. I think that had as much to do with it as my med changes. Maybe more. Laurie svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: Wow, Imogene, that is interesting to know. A doc once prescribed progesterone cream (from plants) for me. My panic attacks got so much worse. . .Was having approx. one an hour. Took myself off of it and they calmed back down. When I told her what it did to me, she seemed confused by that. I always thought maybe I had had a strange reaction to it. . . until now. Thanks for the info. BJ > > Hi Linnea, I want to respond to just one of your points--about birth control. YES, a resounding YES! it can cause mood disturbances. If your doctor doesn't know this, he/she is just wrong and uninformed. The progesterone in it is most often the culprit. My psychiatrist told me of a woman who was given a progesterone shot and wound up in the psych. hospital within a week. Women with a tendency toward depression can easily be sent into a nose dive with the Pill. Why don't you just stop taking it as an experiment to see if it is in fact the culprit. You suggested the timing yourself. Trust yourself. > > Depression (I suffer from it) is a medical illness. It has nothing to do with whether you have a fabulous life or not. My sister resisted this idea, telling herself her life was " too good " for her to be depressed. When she finally took the antidepressants she was amazed at the wonderful results. She felt really good for the first time in her adult life. > > Hope you find the answer you need and will feel much better soon. Imogene > > P.S. Vitamin B12 is good for fatigue. But fatigue is a symptom of depression and if you actually are depressed, you need to get undepressed. > > Help for mom... > > My 10 year old daughter is actually doing pretty well.she is on a vitamin > plan designed by a natural medicine doctor. She is taking multiple > vitamins including SAM, St. s Wort, 5 HTP, and Melatonin at night. We > also just got her blood drawn for allergy testing. She has been getting > stomachaches for years and years, and I always assumed that it was stress > related. I have always wondered though if her stomach problems and her ADHD > symptoms could be allergy related. We are about 5 days into her new diet.no > cow's milk, gluten, eggs, peanuts.I will be interested to see how this > affects her ADHD symptoms. > > Now back to me.Sorry, I know this is an OCD forum, but I know a lot of our > children suffer from depression too. While, I have been taking Zoloft for 7 > years now, I always believed I was taking it for insomnia. It has worked > about 90% of the time with helping me sleep. I would have bad nights here > and there, but nothing too bad. Now, this past six months, I have had more > bad nights than good nights. I hard a short trial with Welbutrin and hated > it! Now, I believe I am depressed. I feel fatigued whether or not I get a > good night sleep. I am waking up many times a night. I take Ambien CR > every couple of days to " catch up " on sleep, but do not want to take it > daily, and become dependent on it. The other nights, I take the vitamin > Valerian, which used to help a lot, but not so much anymore. My family > doctor recently increased my Zoloft dosage from 100 to 150 mg, taken at > night. Could the increase be making me feel bad?? I also, in the last > couple of months, went back on birth control, and I told my doctor that I > thought this might be the problem. She switched my prescription to another > birth control, but did not believe there could be any correlation between > birth control pills and depression and fatigue. Any one ever suffer from > depression or fatigue on birth control?? I know I am grasping, but the > timing is sticking out in my mind. > > I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more > insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it > cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any > thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The > most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be > depressed. I have a great life.2 great children, a wonderful husband, the > ability to be a " stay-at-home-mom " , and lots of friends. I cannot wrap my > hands around the idea that I am depressed when there is no reason for the > negative feelings. I know there is a chemical cause for depression, but it > still baffles me. > > Thank you so miuch for any thoughts! > > Linnea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 In a message dated 4/23/2007 5:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, shiffra@... writes: >>I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more >>insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it >>cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any >>thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The >>most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be >>depressed. Linnea I just went to the doc for depression/anxiety/stress. He put me on Trazodone - it's a mild anti-depressant and is suppose to help with sleep. I didn't like it & now have a sample of Lunesta... will give that a go. You might be surprised at what could cause depression in some people. While i have a lot of stress in my life right now, I would never have guessed depression. But, after really looking hard, I see classic signs of depression in myself. I'm also on birth control - but have been for decades, so I don't suspect that has anything to do with it. We have had too many life-altering situations recently (and still expecting some....) and I'm sure that's what the cause is. I chose to stay away from Zoloft because of the weight gain issues related with it. Right now we're just trying to figure out something to help me sleep & see if that isn't having more of an affect with the depression (lack of sleep) than anything else. I guess only time will tell. Have you tried some of the over-the-counter stuff that your dd is on? St. 's Wort, etc?? Does that not help you? Unfortunately, mine goes well beyond any 'vitamin isle' fix. I need something stronger. LT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Linnea, you are not grasping, and any medical professional who tells you there is no correlation between birth controls and depression and/or fatigue needs to read up on the research. I actually have endometriosis, and know a lot more about all this than I'd rather. Women react differently to hormones, which is why you have such a long list of possible side effects on the warning inserts on those pills. But is absolutely a known fact that some women will suffer from depression when taking the BCP. And fatigue is often a symptom of depression! ~ Ali --- In , " Linnea and Jeff " I also, in the last couple of months, went back on birth control, and I told my doctor that I thought this might be the problem. She switched my prescription to another birth control, but did not believe there could be any correlation between birth control pills and depression and fatigue. Any one ever suffer from depression or fatigue on birth control?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 I soooo appreciate all of your responses!! I cannot tell you how much better I feel just knowing that others can relate. I know my doctor cannot relate! Today has been my worst day in a looooong time! I am miserable with fatigue, and is expected as I had very little sleep last night. I do not feel like myself at all, and having a hard time functioning as a mom, wife, friend, etc. The good news is that it can be fixed, because I have been " fixed " before. I am going to go ahead and go off the pill. I tried taking my Zoloft this morning instead of last night, and am wondering if that is exaggerating my fatigue today. I think I will go back to Zoloft at night. I left a message for my family doctor and she is going to mail me a referral to a specialist. Gee, no rush on that, thanks!!! All of your insight really helps, and I have been pondering it all. Thanks!!! _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@... Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Help for mom... In a message dated 4/23/2007 5:17:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, shiffracox (DOT) <mailto:shiffra%40cox.net> net writes: >>I know I need to follow up with my doctor, but I feel that you all have more >>insight than she does. Do any of you suffer from depression?? Does it >>cause you to be fatigued?? What do you take for depressions? Is there any >>thing I can take for the fatigue symptoms (and vitamin supplements)? The >>most frustrating part of this for me is that I have noooo reason to be >>depressed. Linnea I just went to the doc for depression/anxiety/stress. He put me on Trazodone - it's a mild anti-depressant and is suppose to help with sleep. I didn't like it & now have a sample of Lunesta... will give that a go. You might be surprised at what could cause depression in some people. While i have a lot of stress in my life right now, I would never have guessed depression. But, after really looking hard, I see classic signs of depression in myself. I'm also on birth control - but have been for decades, so I don't suspect that has anything to do with it. We have had too many life-altering situations recently (and still expecting some....) and I'm sure that's what the cause is. I chose to stay away from Zoloft because of the weight gain issues related with it. Right now we're just trying to figure out something to help me sleep & see if that isn't having more of an affect with the depression (lack of sleep) than anything else. I guess only time will tell. Have you tried some of the over-the-counter stuff that your dd is on? St. 's Wort, etc?? Does that not help you? Unfortunately, mine goes well beyond any 'vitamin isle' fix. I need something stronger. LT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol. <http://www.aol.com.> com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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