Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

I'm using a Sunlight Sauna, made of basswood and held together by

magnets. I didn't think I was having a chemical reaction because I'd

been using it once or twice a week for about a year. My health plunged

after going through the intensive sauna treatment. But, I'm at the

point of realizing how little I know about most of this....

I don't know if the Sunlight emits a high level of EMF, but that is

something to look into. Thanks for your thoughts.

One thing that I speculated about was mineral depletion while doing

intensive saunas. The program I participated in used high amounts of

nutritional supplements to replace what was lost during sweating.

Someone mentioned to me that replacement supplementation may not do

the job and there is no evidence that minerals are adequately absorbed

via supplements. Do you have any knowledge about this topic?

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Along with what's been mentioned, you can be adversely affected by

> the room itself if a FIR sauna is not designed and built properly.

>

> The major culprits are from heating adhesives - either from a lot of

> wood glue being used, and/or from concealed plywood. I've seen lab

> tests showing high formaldehyde levels in several FIR saunas.

>

> The other issue is EMFS. Some FIR heater's EMFs are low, others are

> quite high. The issue is magnified in FIR saunas due to the body's

> close proximity to several of the heaters.

>

> On the lymestrategies group this week, a chemically sensitive person

> told of her inability to use a new FIR sauna for many months due to

> her perception of toxic glue solvents in the air.

>

> Perhaps this isn't the case with this sauna, but I'd double check

> before trying it again. I'd be glad to help with that if you need it.

>

> Bob.

>

> Owner/Heavenly Heat

[Guest guest]

Hi Nenah,

Thanks so much for your response. I did a " Hubbard type " cleanse

through a clinic, not the Scientology center. I did three 30 min.

sauna sessions with prescribed supplements, including oils and

lecithin. The clinic recommended more supplements than the Hubbard

program, based on BioMeridian testing. It also included aminioes and

liquid trace minerals.

I began to feel pretty good a few days into the program, but fatigue

set in after about a week. I wasn't overly concerned because we felt

it was a healing response. Getting close to the third week, my throat

and mouth began burning as if I'd scalded myself. I also became very

dry--eyes, mouth, skin. I'm feeling considerably worse than when I

started the program and every symptom is exaggerated. Due to risk of

liability, the clinic advised that we stop the program.

Dr. Pressman noted that I may have been in the midst of healing and

stopping the process basically got me stuck in an uncomfortable place.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on what is going

on--healing, depletion, etc.?

Thanks for the link to your books. They both look good.

Sauna therapy severely depletes not only minerals, but also vitamins. I

> mention this, the dangers of EMF, and many other topics in my book The

> Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy. I like to use liquid supplements

because

> they are more easily absorbed than pills or capsules.

>

> You can read the table of contents of my sauna therapy book, and a few

> excerpts, at

> http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=674 & toplevel=674

>

> In the book I also describe the Hubbard program, which involves a

strenuous

> protocol of sauna therapy with many nutritional supplements. I'd be

> interested to know why your health " plunged " after going through sauna

> therapy; what you felt before and after. As my book discusses, sauna

therapy

> is not for everyone all the time. It depends on the condition of the

system.

>

> Sincerely,

> Nenah

>

> Nenah Sylver, PhD

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

> * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

> * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

>

[Guest guest]

It wasn't Jim's program, though I was doing his program earlier. He

said he'd reduced the sauna time after some people had bad effects.

I do still have amalgams. They're about 30 yrs. old and I was planning

to get them removed, but then got sick. Testing didn't show any

mercury toxicity, but I have several fillings so it seems unlikely

that I don't have mercury stashed somewhere.

Really interesting about the electrical system of the body and sodium

depletion. I've done exactly the opposite of what you suggest

regarding salt intake. My mouth is so sore and dry that I stopped

salting my food.

I was taking a boatload of supps and am still taking quite a bit. The

clinic recommended taking them for 4 months after completing the

program. I eat a healthy diet(Weston Price) and have access to good

quality foods. I think poor absorption is a problem.

>

> oh no...

>

> this smells like jim's sauna 'program'. yes?????

>

> i've done alot of fir saunas, and i can easily see how they can

deplete you if you don't do it properly. i will only do them at

certain times, when i'm sure i will sweat alot. if i don't have alot

of sodium in me forget it i won't go near the thing.

>

> don't worship the tools, use them -- or not-- if it is not appropriate.

>

> do you still have amalgams in? i have heard potential negative

effects of fir if you still have them.

>

> try greatly increasing your sodium or salt intake-- assuming you

don't have bp issues or other sodium issues. or take a bath in heavily

salted water. or if you can handle raw dairy, raw milk and cheese is a

great source of sodium. in one of the books i read about kinesiology

it says that all the electrical systems are shut down without adequate

sodium, and thus the meridian testing will be inaccurate. with mercury

poisoning the kidneys dump too much sodium so without adequate salt

intake saunas will make this situation alot worse.

>

> mineral absorption/metabolism is very complex. imo too complex to

peg into any system or program. heavy metals can interfere with

intercellular absorption. supplements imo in the long term are not a

good way to go. best to use food and drink. first get your hcl levels

up to snuff with and of these: 1) salt 2) ginger 3) lemons/lemon juice

4) hcl tablets 5) apple cider vinegar. this will take care of

stomach's job. next find good food sources. all fresh fruit and

vegetable juices are easily as easily assimilable source of minerals.

vegetable soups, meat broths, bone broths. there are tons of ways to

get minerals in.

>

> if heavy metal poisoning is part of your problem, then as you begin

to rid yourself of the metals, the cellular mineral absorption should

start to fire up again.

>

> it goes without saying that if you are chemically sensitive your

liver needs alot of tending to.

>

> what were the supplements you were taking?

[Guest guest]

My fatty acid profile (Metametrix) was one area that was excellent. I

use about 2 tsp. flax oil.

The symptoms are still with me and I want to eat or drink constantly

trying to stimulate saliva production. I think the only thing that's

getting stimulated is my fat production!

You suggested vaginal insufflation and I plan to do that as soon as I

get the equipment. A question: will that be a problem with lack of

bodily fluids?

>

> Dear ,

>

> It could be that you are short on EFAs. You could try taking flax

oil twice

> daily, and see if that helps.

>

> Are you still experiencing these symptoms, or is this some time ago?

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking possible cleansing or supplement reaction. I'm taking 150

mg. lipoic acid and chlorella. That doesn't sound too high, do you think?

>

> sounds like 1) you were in the middle of cleansing and then stopped

or 2) serious dehydration or 3) one of the supplements was causing the

reaction.

>

> easy to figure out by testing each possibility one at a time.

>

> was there a large dose of lipoic acid or other chelator in your

supplement list?

[Guest guest]

I was using FIR sauna, sauna room with a temp of 130-145.

The clinic monitored my diet closely and protein was stressed. I ate

protein with every meal, plus used whey, so that shouldn't have been a

problem.

I'm glad you included the passage from your book. That could be a big

part of what happened to me. My adrenals were near non-functional when

I began the cleanse. The clinic also said that the sauna would help me

clear the viral/bacterial load and improve adrenal function. Their

physician cleared me to do the cleanse and didn't seem too concerned

about my adrenal test results.

Last year I worked with a classical homeopath. We tried several

remedies and I didn't notice anything one way or another. She was

willing to keep trying, but I got frustrated. I'm not sure what a

constitutional homeopath is, but will look into it.

Thanks again. You (and everyone else) have been very helpful.

> ,

> There have been some excellent suggestions from others related to

your situation, so I'll focus on what wasn't addressed. I have a

question: What type of sauna were you using? (I'm assuming it was

dry.) Was it FIR, or an unspecified heater? If FIR, what range was it

in? Most important -- was it a sauna +room+, or a cabinet (the kind

where your head sticks out)?

>

> All of the Hubbard programs I'm aware of never use sauna cabinets,

only rooms. I'm wondering if the toxins that were emitted came right

back into your eyes. That could account for some of the eye discomfort.

>

> Recycling of toxins (which could happen in both a room and a

cabinet, though being in a cabinet would lessen this) could account

for the sensations and fatigue you were feeling. Were you getting

enough protein? If some of the toxins got recycled back into your

system, the liver would have to break them down again. If the liver

doesn't get enough protein and it's fed too many carbs, it doesn't

function properly.

>

> You mention fatigue. When I was doing the research for my sauna

therapy book, one piece of info that really made an impression on me

was how adrenal stress makes it inadvisable for someone to do sauna

therapy. It was something I'd never thought of. Here is the passage

from the book verbatim, under the " contraindications " section:

>

>

> Adrenal stress. " Adrenal stress " is a general term for overwork and

exhaustion of the adrenal glands. This is implicated in a large number

of conditions, including chronic fatigue and depression. Heat

stimulates the adrenals to increase its secretion of several different

hormones, including cortisol. With adrenals that are too depleted,

intense stimulation will only drain them more, and ultimately make

them nonfunctional. However, if the adrenals are merely tired but

still have some level of function, sauna bathing might help,

particularly if toxins are preventing the glands from functioning

properly. This is why it is necessary to consult with a qualified

health professional who can determine adrenal stress levels. With

people too ill to use the sauna, after the adrenals are nourished and

even just slightly rejuvenated, sauna therapy can help. [p. 156]

>

>

>

>

>

> It's tempting to state that a negative reaction from a protocol is a

cleansing response. However, when you're the one feeling that negative

response, it sometimes seems as though the treatment is worse than the

condition!

>

> Then there's the issue of heavy metals, including mercury. You

mentioned that you still had mercury in your mouth. If numerous heavy

metals are still in the body, the same or worse health problems might

re-surface. Regarding chlorella, I know from personal experience that

when I take too much chlorella, I feel very ill and it's a sign to cut

back.

>

> Have you considered seeing a constitutional homeopath? Homeopathy

can be a very gentle but helpful way of dealing with all types of

symptoms and the underlying miasms. There are also homeopathic

protocols for heavy metal removal.

>

> Best wishes,

> Nenah

>

> Nenah Sylver, PhD

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

> * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

> * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Recycling of toxins (which could happen in both a room and a cabinet,

> though being in a cabinet would lessen this) could account for the

> sensations and fatigue you were feeling. Were you getting enough

> protein? If some of the toxins got recycled back into your system,

> the liver would have to break them down again. If the liver doesn't

> get enough protein and it's fed too many carbs, it doesn't function

> properly.

This is one of *the* most important reasons to drink copious amounts of

the activated charcoal/bentonite clay slurries when doing extreme detox

protocols like saunas (take both before and after each session) - this

will *dramatically* lessen the load on all of the eliminatory

organs/system, thereby lessening or even eliminating the 'herx'

cleansing reactions - allowing one to go at a much faster rate than

would otherwise be possible.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Along with what's been mentioned, you can be adversely affected

by

> > the room itself if a FIR sauna is not designed and built

properly.

> >

> > The major culprits are from heating adhesives - either from a

lot of

> > wood glue being used, and/or from concealed plywood. I've seen

lab

> > tests showing high formaldehyde levels in several FIR saunas.

> >

> > The other issue is EMFS. Some FIR heater's EMFs are low, others

are

> > quite high. The issue is magnified in FIR saunas due to the

body's

> > close proximity to several of the heaters.

> >

> > On the lymestrategies group this week, a chemically sensitive

person

> > told of her inability to use a new FIR sauna for many months due

to

> > her perception of toxic glue solvents in the air.

> >

> > Perhaps this isn't the case with this sauna, but I'd double

check

> > before trying it again. I'd be glad to help with that if you

need it.

> >

> > Bob.

> >

> > Owner/Heavenly Heat

>