Re: facebook ...... this is outrageous PLEASE READ!!!

December 20, 2008

This is just sick!Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: Barbara Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:55:06 -0800 (PST)Ross Mason<MiamiCenterForParanormalResearch >; Jordan<juliejordanscott@...>; <Autism and Aspergers Treatment >; <bakesfieldautismwalkinfo >; <cavaparentsinfo >; Graham<susan_graham@...>; <hali_baba14@...>Subject: facebook ...... this is outrageous PLEASE READ!!! There is a group on facebook that is saying horrible and untrue things about boys and men with autism. They say they are not advocating hate for those with autism, but, it is obvious reading their page that, that is exactly what they are promoting. This just breaks my heart. This makes me so angry. If it makes you angry too and you use facebook then PLEASE go and report this group at the bottom of their page. This is so unfair to those with autism to try and spread this garbage as fact. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20379907381 That is the link to their page above..and this is copy and pasted from their page Contrarary to what Autism supremesy groups claim, WE DO NOT HATE AUTISTIC PEOPLE! Our only goal is to inform girls and women that a percentage, not most, of Autistic people are more likely to be rapists. It is the same as any other disorder, MOST AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT DANGROUS! We only want young women to be aware of the danger of being around Autistic people. We do not approve of hate toward Autistic people; we do not want violence against Autistic people, only that girls pass them by and are aware of the potential danger. Kayukov- My friend who made the video has a self diagnosed online Autistic friend.Too much of what people hear on the news and on the internet about Autism is biased positive information created by the lovers of Autistic people to try to create Autism awareness with the sole intention of giving the Autistic people a special place in normal society. These people who are promoting "Autism awareness" are not giving the complete picture; the purpose of this group is to provide that picture and protect the innocent.Autism is a disease that affects almost entirely boys; one theory for this is that Autism is an "extreme male mind." Autistic boys are apethetic and are unable to know how another person feels, or will feel. They also become very distressed if they do not get their way. This could be somthing like a minor violation of their strict rutine, the birth of a sister, a haircut, or failure for another person to make a decision that the Autistic boy agrees with. Part of the problem with the intense reaction to a dicision that the Autistic boy does not agree with is their need for control and lack of empathy. How can a person accept a decision different from their own if they cannot imagine that other people have thoughts different from their own? Finally, Autistic boys often use and threaten violence as a way of expressing their frustrutation because they have great difficulty in expressing their feelings to other people in meaningful ways. To review the elements of the Autistic boy, they cannot empathize, imagine that other people have views different from their own, require a rigidly structured enviornment and become very distressed if anyone disturbs it, and frequently resort to violence. If this isn't enough, Autistic boys are extremely impulsive. Imagine that an Autistic boy named is alone with his friend Kate. Autistic boys desire sex like all boys do, but boys with Autism are unable to express their emotions in ways that are meaningful to other people and have an exteme male mind. What if Kate does not want to have sex with ? He is rigid, apethetic, thinks everyone shares his ideas, impulsive, extremely male, and violent. Do you think would accept Kate's feelings? No, I think you know what comes next.One thing I did find was a page in a book by Simon Baron-Cohen in which he said that men are less empathetic than women and that this low level of empathy could be one reason why men sometimes experience sexual pleasure in rape and women rarely do.This group does not encurage hatred of any kind; it is only to give young women a complete picture and to help them.Due to flaming from Autism Supremacy groups, any group claming that Autism increases any human ablities and its members believing themselves superior to the general population, membership must be approved as well as any uploads.How can we be leaders when our leaders mislead?

December 23, 2008

The link will not follow properly. What is the name of the group?On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 01:55, Barbara <valet_4u@...> wrote:

There is a group on facebook that is saying horrible and untrue things about boys and men with autism. They say they are not advocating hate for those with autism, but, it is obvious reading their page that, that is exactly what they are promoting. This just breaks my heart.

This makes me so angry. If it makes you angry too and you use facebook then PLEASE go and report this group at the bottom of their page. This is so unfair to those with autism to try and spread this garbage as fact.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20379907381

January 1, 2009

i click on the link and it just goes to my page Vickie WwW.SparkleTags.ComFrom: "kelly_dawson75@..." <kelly_dawson75@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:23:42 PMSubject: Re: facebook

....... this is outrageous PLEASE READ!!!

This is just sick!Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: Barbara Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:55:06 -0800 (PST)Ross Mason<MiamiCenterForParan ormalResearch>; Jordan<juliejordanscott@ hotmail.com>; <Autism and Aspergers Treatment>; <bakesfieldautismwal kinfo@group s.com>; <cavaparentsinfo>; Graham<susan_graham@ heartsfrc. org>; <hali_baba14>Subject: facebook ...... this is outrageous PLEASE READ!!! There is a group on facebook that is saying horrible and untrue things about boys and men with

autism. They say they are not advocating hate for those with autism, but, it is obvious reading their page that, that is exactly what they are promoting. This just breaks my heart. This makes me so angry. If it makes you angry too and you use facebook then PLEASE go and report this group at the bottom of their page. This is so unfair to those with autism to try and spread this garbage as fact. http://www.facebook .com/group. php?gid=20379907 381 That is the link to their page above..and this is copy and pasted from their page Contrarary to what Autism supremesy groups claim, WE DO NOT HATE AUTISTIC PEOPLE! Our only goal is to inform girls and women that a

percentage, not most, of Autistic people are more likely to be rapists. It is the same as any other disorder, MOST AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT DANGROUS! We only want young women to be aware of the danger of being around Autistic people. We do not approve of hate toward Autistic people; we do not want violence against Autistic people, only that girls pass them by and are aware of the potential danger. Kayukov- My friend who made the video has a self diagnosed online Autistic friend.Too much of what people hear on the news and on the internet about Autism is biased positive information created by the lovers of Autistic people to try to create Autism awareness with the sole intention of giving the Autistic people a special place in normal society. These people who are promoting "Autism awareness" are not giving the complete picture; the purpose of this group is to provide that picture and protect the innocent.Autism is a disease that

affects almost entirely boys; one theory for this is that Autism is an "extreme male mind." Autistic boys are apethetic and are unable to know how another person feels, or will feel. They also become very distressed if they do not get their way. This could be somthing like a minor violation of their strict rutine, the birth of a sister, a haircut, or failure for another person to make a decision that the Autistic boy agrees with. Part of the problem with the intense reaction to a dicision that the Autistic boy does not agree with is their need for control and lack of empathy. How can a person accept a decision different from their own if they cannot imagine that other people have thoughts different from their own? Finally, Autistic boys often use and threaten violence as a way of expressing their frustrutation because they have great difficulty in expressing their feelings to other people in meaningful ways. To review the elements of the Autistic boy,

they cannot empathize, imagine that other people have views different from their own, require a rigidly structured enviornment and become very distressed if anyone disturbs it, and frequently resort to violence. If this isn't enough, Autistic boys are extremely impulsive. Imagine that an Autistic boy named is alone with his friend Kate. Autistic boys desire sex like all boys do, but boys with Autism are unable to express their emotions in ways that are meaningful to other people and have an exteme male mind. What if Kate does not want to have sex with ? He is rigid, apethetic, thinks everyone shares his ideas, impulsive, extremely male, and violent. Do you think would accept Kate's feelings? No, I think you know what comes next.One thing I did find was a page in a book by Simon Baron-Cohen in which he said that men are less empathetic than women and that this low level of empathy could be one reason why men sometimes experience

sexual pleasure in rape and women rarely do.This group does not encurage hatred of any kind; it is only to give young women a complete picture and to help them.Due to flaming from Autism Supremacy groups, any group claming that Autism increases any human ablities and its members believing themselves superior to the general population, membership must be approved as well as any uploads.How can we be leaders when our leaders mislead?

January 1, 2009

While I'd LOVE to agree with you... they do have a valid point. If no one taught an autistic boy it was wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd force himself onto a girl. After all, autism is defined by the inability to interpret social cues! Rejection is a social cue, and a painful one at that.

OTOH, the problem does exist with female autism as well - they don't know they're not supposed to and I've heard many awful stories of autistic girls being taken advantage of in that way!!

All the more reason not to beat around the bush with the subject of sex. (Although, with an autistic, you shouldn't beat around the bush with anything!)I hope you all don't take this to mean I'm anti-autism awareness... If anything I'm pro-autism. Autistics are some of the most honest people I've ever met - they see their own perspective and only their own perspective. Unless they have been taught to, they don't lie to make anyone happy - even when sometimes it would be nice for them to (such as when Grandma gives them an ugly sweater or when told to apologize for something they don't feel sorry for). And while their ability to get caught up in things can sometimes be negative (such as sexual emotion), it can also be extremely beneficial (in terms of that one special interest that they know so much about due to that focus!)

Autism is a double edged sword. It can, in some instances, be dangerous to the person interacting with the autist - but IMHO, for the most part, it is the autist most at risk for being harmed by others (be it emotionally or physically).

Reality is ugly. No wonder autists tend to like to live in their own little worlds.-Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Barbara <valet_4u@...> wrote:

There is a group on facebook that is saying horrible and untrue things about boys and men with autism. They say they are not advocating hate for those with autism, but, it is obvious reading their page that, that is exactly what they are promoting. This just breaks my heart.

This makes me so angry. If it makes you angry too and you use facebook then PLEASE go and report this group at the bottom of their page. This is so unfair to those with autism to try and spread this garbage as fact.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20379907381 That is the link to their page above..and this is copy and pasted from their page

Contrarary to what Autism supremesy groups claim, WE DO NOT HATE AUTISTIC PEOPLE! Our only goal

is to inform girls and women that a percentage, not most, of Autistic people are more likely to be rapists. It is the same as any other disorder, MOST AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT DANGROUS! We only want young women to be aware of the danger of being around Autistic people. We do not approve of hate toward Autistic people; we do not want violence against Autistic people, only that girls pass them by and are aware of the potential danger.

January 3, 2009

Wow. I am blown away there is a group saying this to the world at

large. I am painfully aware that in the bipolar phase of autism, our

children need more supervision, teaching, and guidance. I and a small

handful of mothers have talked about this; and it takes teaching, like

this person says, about what is okay and what isn't okay behavior, like

anything else. It doesn't just come as a given. I have my 19 1/2

daughter on birth control because of my fear it's hard for her to say

no. Which I find her being on birth control is controversial

everywhere-- her therapists. . . Her doctors' office (except her own

wonderful doctor who thinks it's wonderful a sexual relationship is a

possibility for her) has people come out and stare at us, when I go in

for another prescription. I just was put off till the last person at a

new pharmacy, at which time the pharmacy threw down her prescription on

the counter like " I really don't want to give you this " . We'll change

pharmacies back to the one we've been using. I was having an off day.

Or I'd have caught on what was going on and tackled it head on with her,

instead of just being assertive over and over we needed our prescription

so we could go.

Nina

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:21:14 -0700, " Lana Gibbons "

<lana.m.gibbons@...> said:

> While I'd LOVE to agree with you... they do have a valid point. If no

> one

> taught an autistic boy it was wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd

> force

> himself onto a girl. After all, autism is defined by the inability to

> interpret social cues! Rejection is a social cue, and a painful one at

> that.

> OTOH, the problem does exist with female autism as well - they don't know

> they're not supposed to and I've heard many awful stories of autistic

> girls

> being taken advantage of in that way!!

>

> All the more reason not to beat around the bush with the subject of sex.

> (Although, with an autistic, you shouldn't beat around the bush with

> anything!)

>

> I hope you all don't take this to mean I'm anti-autism awareness... If

> anything I'm pro-autism. Autistics are some of the most honest people

> I've

> ever met - they see their own perspective and only their own perspective.

> Unless they have been taught to, they don't lie to make anyone happy -

> even

> when sometimes it would be nice for them to (such as when Grandma gives

> them

> an ugly sweater or when told to apologize for something they don't feel

> sorry for). And while their ability to get caught up in things can

> sometimes be negative (such as sexual emotion), it can also be extremely

> beneficial (in terms of that one special interest that they know so much

> about due to that focus!)

>

> Autism is a double edged sword. It can, in some instances, be dangerous

> to

> the person interacting with the autist - but IMHO, for the most part, it

> is

> the autist most at risk for being harmed by others (be it emotionally or

> physically).

>

> Reality is ugly. No wonder autists tend to like to live in their own

> little

> worlds.

>

> -Lana

>

> " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

>

> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Barbara <valet_4u@...> wrote:

>

> > *There is a group on facebook that is saying horrible and untrue things

> > about boys and men with autism.*

> > *They say they are not advocating hate for those with autism, but, it is

> > obvious reading their page that, that is exactly what they are promoting.

> > This just breaks my heart. *

> > *

> > *This makes me so angry. If it makes you angry too and you use facebook

> > then PLEASE go and report this group at the bottom of their page. This is so

> > unfair to those with autism to try and spread this garbage as fact.*

> >

*http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20379907381*<http://www.facebook.com/grou\

p.php?gid=20379907381>

> > That is the link to their page above..and this is copy and pasted from

> > their page

> > Contrarary to what Autism supremesy groups claim, WE DO NOT HATE AUTISTIC

> > PEOPLE! Our only goal is to inform girls and women that a percentage, not

> > most, of Autistic people are more likely to be rapists. It is the same as

> > any other disorder, MOST AUTISTIC PEOPLE ARE NOT DANGROUS! We only want

> > young women to be aware of the danger of being around Autistic people. We do

> > not approve of hate toward Autistic people; we do not want violence against

> > Autistic people, only that girls pass them by and are aware of the potential

> > danger.

> >

--

Nina Forest

autismlearning@...

January 6, 2009

It is exactly this type of mentality that has my son only allowed to

visit with his step siblings while supervised by his father in a public

place. Someone who is not educated spoke to the step mom about the

things " possible " for him to do since he has AS. This lead to the

divorce proceedings and the court order for the visitation.

Yes it is possible....it is possible for anyone. I could walk down the

street and get mugged, raped or murdered by someone who wants to do

that.

This just makes my blood boil. Nothing more stupid than someone who is

uninformed to spread wrong information.

Just my angry 2 cents.

January 6, 2009

That guy is insane! And Lana, are you serious? The only thing a guy with or without Autism needs to know is that no means no. Forget subtle relationship cues - if she says no, you back off. That's not subtle. Heck, it doesn't even have to have anything to do with the " relationship " - just because she doesn't want sex doesn't mean she doesn't want you.

If ANYONE is too impaired to understand that no means no, then they shouldn't be put in that situation. But seriously? My 2 year old with ASD understands no. No is easy. I agree that the deeper why's and whatnot are hard, but no is simple.

If this guy is " right " about the possibility of rape (and incidentally, rape is about power and control, not sex, which means the Autistic guy is even LESS likely to do it) because of a " misunderstanding " , then I guess any girl who got raped because she looked hot was " asking for it " , right? I mean, guys have so LITTLE self control! (How do you do an eye roll smiley through e mail?)

This guy is spreading hate and trying to pretty it up by making it sound " plausible " . Makes me sick!Esther On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote: